How do you observe those 59 days? Are there specific rituals?

WELL SAID.

Faith and science dont mix.

You absolutly do not need to have faith to use science, and the best scientist are those that have absolutly no faith in anything until they have falsified and verified the work themselves.

You do not need to believe for a second that your cell phone will work becuase the electromagnetic spectrum can be wiggled at the right frequencies to send invisible light waves across vast distances to allow communication to make a call phone call.

Faith in science is like faith in walking; when you put one foot in front of the other you observe walking . . . poof science.

You do so and thus it can be done, then you believe it can be done again becuase it was done before.

Science is not a thing to have faith in anyway. Science is a method.

It is a process which has proven its self time and time again with a track record for getting things right that is unrivaled in all creation to our current understanding of said nature.

I think if the basis for this post is to say that you should be skeptical of what scientists produce, then I agree 100%.

But I would ask that you increase that by one step and be skeptical of EVERYTHING.

That definitely applies to any religion.

Do not believe anything just because someone else says so. The Bible is no different.

i guess you cant put them together somehow. try worshiping and praying to all the elements and molecules for nor more hurricanes, tornados, ect

But since pondering this I have to ask one simple question?

Does someone have to die by drinking drain-o for you to have a belief that it is poison?

Does someone have to die in his sins, before he realizes and believes... that Jesus came not to condemn the world.... but to save the world?

That's not too far from the Pagan view.

It sure seems crystal CLEAR to this woman that it wasn't Jesus that came to condemn the world.

We ALL came to "save" humanity.

Actually - there is no evidence they did not live that long. There's no way to determine how long anyone who lived thousands of years ago lived. They examine the evidence they have for modern man, and extrapolate those findings back thousands of years, and from there, they postulate. For all intents and purpose - science has nothing to say about the length of live previous to the 20th century other than what has been recorded by eyewitnesses, or in cases of youth's who had not developed to adulthood yet. And those conclusions are based on the study of man today.

Well show me the empirical evidence that humans ever had a 900 year lifespan then. You cant because it contradicts what we know about people and how long they really lived during those times due to poor diets, disease, living conditions and a whole host of other factors. The actual median age for someone living in Biblical times was 40. I have a feeling that the motivation for inventing some of these stories of amazing longevity described in the bible might have been caused by two factors. One is just good old bragging like the whole "my dad is better then your dad thing". Two is more plausible and that's a pure accident of translation. See the calendar used in Biblical times was not the same as the one used when the Bible was translated. They used a lunar and not a solar one like the later translators did. And add in the fact they counted ages in seasons and not years and you get a probable reason for those ridiculously long lifespans. Back then the most prevalent calendar was the lunar calendar. The average human lifespan was around 30 years (in current years). Even at the beginning of the twentieth century, the average life expectancy was around 45 years.

However if you have a better explanation I would like to hear it.

You know if every religious person under the sun felt this way, I doubt very much there would be strife among the religious regardless of what the prayed to.



So what if the child in the womb is being unruly? NOW THAT would be a messy abortion.

HAHAH this man understands!


You let me know where you can get that Jesus Proof fencing, does it come in vinyl?


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More proof the Bible was written by ignorant douche bags.

Right and the people who wrote that book where not getting text messages from god, or it would have been accurate . . . . and if the message gets scrambled then well that also tells us this is not something to hang over every word and take as literal, or historical . . . . its at best inaccurate, at worst complete fiction.


HAHAH well said.


Yup its all a bunch of crap.

To me the most noble and wise of us regardless of religion would find ways to help humanity, and never claim an ultimate truth.

We all quote and argue saying "i need proof", when in reality arnt you all taking the word of a man/ scientist.. who have been wrong many times, and probabaly were only a google click away from your "proof" atom bombs exist but has anyone here seen one lol =).

Pretty sure the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki did.

u were there i take it? =) just as the people who saw Jesus rise from the dead.. but those people dont count ....

Did I say I was?

Moses said God gave him 10 commandments, when he was all alone, do you believe that? Do you really think some almighty being picked someone, asked him to go where no one could hear what they were talking about and then confided in him and him alone? If I told you God spoke to me and said that he didn't want any more religions because he was sick of what people were doing in the name of religion, would you blindly believe me? There's no proof that Jesus rose from the dead. Maybe he was in a coma. Maybe it was a publicity stunt. Maybe he didn't exist. There's ample proof that those two cities were nuked

u did u acted as though you experienced the atom bomb... did you watch it happen? Did it happen? =) see my point.. the amble proof is? please tell me you seen the proof cause movies books whatever is the same as what my God offers and u try this down no problem.


Your not a christian so no i wouldnt expect you to believe that.

I have went up to people i never met and give them money on a "blind belief", these people immediatly started crying saying they have been praying for way to pay a bill. Blind belief? God? ill stick with what works.

Go and re-read it, I didn't say that at all. Did you see Jesus rise from the dead? Did you?

Actually, I am a Christian, I was baptised , had communion and confirmation etc. Are you so sure that Catholicism is correct? If every religion on the planet says that they are right about God, and they all differ, then is it just possible that some (or all) of them are full of rubbish?

I work with charities for Downs Syndrome children, I've done work with other charities too, I just don't do it because of belief in God, just that I believe that we can, and should, be good to one another.

Then again i believe in both, i dont rely on visual and factual evdience all the time, i have faith....

In the bible, it tells people to beware of people "false prophets" must i continue? If they all say they are right, only 1 is truth.


I understand this and i respect you for doing so, im talking about doing things on a "Blind Believe" spur of the moment like you called it, not volunteering, doing somthing and i didnt understand why at the time i did it. much different

And I can respect that, I just personally don't believe it.


1 or none. The only way to be 100% sure is for God himself to personally tell everyone, at the same time (so we know it's not some sort of con job), what he really wants.


I do spur of the moment things too, the only difference is that you do it because of your faith in God, I do it because of my faith in the inherent goodness of people.

Not entirely true, since i do both