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Eratosthenes proved that 1200 years before Gallileo the round earth part, I mean gotta go, the thumpers and scripture quoters are back Oh Im sorry. I thought you were arguing. I misunderstood. Peace. 
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The melting is those who come to battle against him. These are already dead at his coming it will be a great heat. The 2 witnesses are killed and for 3 1/2 days the world sees them and rejoices over them being killed as they are put on public dispay. How will the world see this? internet and TV. when this happens do you not think this will not be on every channel on tv and everywhere on the net? If i all off a sudden at 11pm at night had my house light up and looked outside to see what's going on. I would be turning on the TV or internet to find out. Only in this time table now is this possible for both evernts.. Blessing...Miles That sounds awful. Is he going to be like an X-man with lazier beams coming out of his eyes? How will he melt your face off exactly? I want to be prepared. So in fact you are saying that of course the entire planet will not be able to actually witness this with their own naked eyes because the earth is round but we will need to rely on radio, internet and TV for full coverage of the events? Hmm, the bible should have been a little more specific because as it stands, it just sounds wrong. I do not know exactly how this will occur. The melting is at jerusalem aginst all those who are thier to fight him. Remember Jerusalem is surrounded by 100's of thousands of troops.They are satan army. No lasers or anything. It is said that anyone who looks on him will die. Thier really is not much of a battle. But the armies of the world who are controlling you will be gone as far as being alive.We did this to inocent people with the bomb.Yet we claim our country as great. That is my thought on the matted. That night will turn to daytime from the reflection of the moon.. it's a guess.. every one will see.. i go to how everyone will see the 2 witnesses bodies being on display at Jerusalem. But either way it does not matter everyone will have no doubt he has come back.. Shalom...Miles |
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Alright well if that is any indication of whats to come, Im installing some "Jesus proof" fencing around the perimeter of my house and land here. That will keep him out.
 And Miles, what if Jesus is a crock and the real Messiah according to the Jews returns? What then? Will he melt all of the Christians' faces off? Or punish them in some respect? Will the atheists be exempted from all of this nonsense and squabbling because they thought better of taking sides and decided it was a preferable idea to live in the here and now? If so, sign me up. |
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luckily it's not
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It is the Messiah the Jews are looking for. They had always said he would come back as a king forcefully to take control. That is why they rejected him back then because he did not do as he will this time. So we are on the same page thier..Blessings..Miles
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So you are saying this evil one is the Hebrew Messiah? I thought you were saying it was Jesus returning. That is the one I was referring to. The one in the bible that will come "down from the clouds so that all eyes will see" Remember? That is a physical impossibility because the planet is round. Or it is Jesus but this time he will come back as a bad ass which the Jews desire? Then why would he be an anti Semitic?
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles Well you have to bear in mind that it wasn't simply that Jesus was not a warrior type the first go round that caused the Hebrews to reject him. It was a number of reasons. They had a very strict criteria. At least that is my understanding. They might even reject him a second time if he still didnt live up to their expectations. These are some of their reasons why he didnt measure up and Im not certain that face melting or any use of force will change this. The Jews are sticklers for the details. 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. |
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Believing in the study of science which means you believe that man will continue to explore and discover has absolutely no similarity to the belief that some men who wrote stories and had them edited and some rejected and some approved for a text of stories as an absolute fact. There is no similarity there sorry. Amasing how that happened with Darwin and those who follow his theory today. And do ytou believe that people actually believe this "evolution" religion? Belief or agreement is not necessarily faith. I believe that the sun will come up tomorrow. How do I believe that? I have seen it happen for 44 years. Could I be wrong, possibly but not likely. This "belief" is not based on something someone wrote in a book that I am applying to my and others lives as a way of living or they are doomed to eternal burning. Faith is a little more than just believing something. Funny thing though - the sun doesn't move. The earth turns. Some people will believe anything. You've never seen the sun "come up". No one has. |
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Funny thing though - the sun doesn't move. The earth turns. Some people will believe anything. You've never seen the sun "come up". No one has. tojaso tojaso tojaso |
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles Well you have to bear in mind that is wasn't simply that Jesus was not a warrior type the first go round that caused the Hebrews to reject him. It was a number of reasons. They had a very strict criteria. At least that is my understanding. They might even reject him a second time if he still didnt live up to their expectations. These are some of their reasons why he didnt measure up and Im not certain that face melting or any use of force will change this. The Jews are sticklers for the details. 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. I am not familiar with these 4 or any prophecy he did not fullfill then. The Jews are sticklers but it also speaks of many Jews will turn before he returns. My guess is the 2 witnesses. Not only the miracles they do but also the uplifting of the law which will go flat in the chr-stian face. The jews do not even think of chr-stians as anything. That is why they have no propblem with them. They can think what they want and the Jews know it means nothing. I walked into a Jewish book store in chicago on Devon str. I asked a elderly man if they had any books on Yahshua the Messiah. My answer he leaned over to me and said...you better leave and do not say that name again it could be dangerous for you. People were buying books and saying JC all over no problem. But I was in danger. Why they know what the Messiah's name is. Me mentioning as if he had not come was a great sin to them. When the 2 witnesses come back alive and go up into the sky the Jews will have no doubt EliYah has been amoung them. The precurser to Yahshua's return.. Then they will know the teachings these two witnesses had for 3 1/2 years is true and they will convert and give thier lives for his name... Blessings...Miles |
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Believing in the study of science which means you believe that man will continue to explore and discover has absolutely no similarity to the belief that some men who wrote stories and had them edited and some rejected and some approved for a text of stories as an absolute fact. There is no similarity there sorry. Amasing how that happened with Darwin and those who follow his theory today. And do ytou believe that people actually believe this "evolution" religion? Belief or agreement is not necessarily faith. I believe that the sun will come up tomorrow. How do I believe that? I have seen it happen for 44 years. Could I be wrong, possibly but not likely. This "belief" is not based on something someone wrote in a book that I am applying to my and others lives as a way of living or they are doomed to eternal burning. Faith is a little more than just believing something. Funny thing though - the sun doesn't move. The earth turns. Some people will believe anything. You've never seen the sun "come up". No one has. The earth turns on its axis AND revolves around the sun. |
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okay okay take a breath you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want That's fine. I have no issue with that, as long as you dont hold it up as the only way to me, then we are good. The only way to what? |
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Edited by
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles Well you have to bear in mind that is wasn't simply that Jesus was not a warrior type the first go round that caused the Hebrews to reject him. It was a number of reasons. They had a very strict criteria. At least that is my understanding. They might even reject him a second time if he still didnt live up to their expectations. These are some of their reasons why he didnt measure up and Im not certain that face melting or any use of force will change this. The Jews are sticklers for the details. 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. I am not familiar with these 4 or any prophecy he did not fullfill then. The Jews are sticklers but it also speaks of many Jews will turn before he returns. My guess is the 2 witnesses. Not only the miracles they do but also the uplifting of the law which will go flat in the chr-stian face. The jews do not even think of chr-stians as anything. That is why they have no propblem with them. They can think what they want and the Jews know it means nothing. I walked into a Jewish book store in chicago on Devon str. I asked a elderly man if they had any books on Yahshua the Messiah. My answer he leaned over to me and said...you better leave and do not say that name again it could be dangerous for you. People were buying books and saying JC all over no problem. But I was in danger. Why they know what the Messiah's name is. Me mentioning as if he had not come was a great sin to them. When the 2 witnesses come back alive and go up into the sky the Jews will have no doubt EliYah has been amoung them. The precurser to Yahshua's return.. Then they will know the teachings these two witnesses had for 3 1/2 years is true and they will convert and give thier lives for his name... Blessings...Miles Well I guess it would be worth getting familiar with them. Personally I dont care so its of no importance to me. These are but some of the reasons he was rejected by the Hebrews. Here are a few of them but its a ridiculously long list you understand. What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. |
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Im just relieved that our modern legal system inherited the code of Hammurabi given to us by the ancient Babylonians rather than the "justice" espoused in the bible. Pretty much we would not even bother with trial and proceed directly to stoning out in the parking lot of the court house if that had been the case. Bloody Hell!! We would be forever in the parking lot! The amount of unruly children to be stoned would keep the stoning police busy for years!!! For disobeying parents If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Deuteronomy sucks... I suppose you're glad you're not Jewish - eH? |
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If god made man, and man made science....what's the bloody argument? It seems the want to have it ONE way... but not the other, shows the discrepancies in that moth eaten old tome quite clearly. Eat your cake.  Ah... the voice of reason coming out of the wilderness. |
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Im just relieved that our modern legal system inherited the code of Hammurabi given to us by the ancient Babylonians rather than the "justice" espoused in the bible. Pretty much we would not even bother with trial and proceed directly to stoning out in the parking lot of the court house if that had been the case. Bloody Hell!! We would be forever in the parking lot! The amount of unruly children to be stoned would keep the stoning police busy for years!!! For disobeying parents If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother ... Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city ... And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Deuteronomy sucks... I suppose you're glad you're not Jewish - eH? Im glad I am not any of it to tell you the truth although all of these I have found were taken directly from the bible. You can thank Morning Song as she asked I and Abra to find where stoning is condoned in the scripture. So...Deuteronomy has many but they are found throughout.
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles Well you have to bear in mind that is wasn't simply that Jesus was not a warrior type the first go round that caused the Hebrews to reject him. It was a number of reasons. They had a very strict criteria. At least that is my understanding. They might even reject him a second time if he still didnt live up to their expectations. These are some of their reasons why he didnt measure up and Im not certain that face melting or any use of force will change this. The Jews are sticklers for the details. 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. I am not familiar with these 4 or any prophecy he did not fullfill then. The Jews are sticklers but it also speaks of many Jews will turn before he returns. My guess is the 2 witnesses. Not only the miracles they do but also the uplifting of the law which will go flat in the chr-stian face. The jews do not even think of chr-stians as anything. That is why they have no propblem with them. They can think what they want and the Jews know it means nothing. I walked into a Jewish book store in chicago on Devon str. I asked a elderly man if they had any books on Yahshua the Messiah. My answer he leaned over to me and said...you better leave and do not say that name again it could be dangerous for you. People were buying books and saying JC all over no problem. But I was in danger. Why they know what the Messiah's name is. Me mentioning as if he had not come was a great sin to them. When the 2 witnesses come back alive and go up into the sky the Jews will have no doubt EliYah has been amoung them. The precurser to Yahshua's return.. Then they will know the teachings these two witnesses had for 3 1/2 years is true and they will convert and give thier lives for his name... Blessings...Miles Well I guess it would be worth getting familiar with them. Personally I dont care so its of no importance to me. These are but some of the reasons he was rejected by the Hebrews. Here are a few of them but its a ridiculously long list you understand. What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Ezekel.... That is when he comes back this time in the physical. Now the jews may not understand that we are the 3rd temple made with out hands.. Acts 2 was the dedication which matches perfectly wit 2chron..5 B.. if you read all around it he speaks as if he is not on earth but that his spirit is with them always. The Jews rejected this from Ez. above. He did bring them back to Israel as promiced before he comes.They look for him now because of this prophesy. c. This is speaking of Zech. 14:10-15 Yes this will happen but they do not see the prophesies of him comming as a babe being beaten with stripes... The messiah even came saying he did not come to bring peace but a sword.. That the deviding of the word would prevail in those who had a heart for yahweh weeding out the weeds from the shaft. D.. yea this will happen. When Yahshua 1st started his ministry in luke 4: 18 he read from Isa 61 and stopped and left out the vengence of Yahweh. That was not to happen then. He came to heal. What the Jews fail to leave out is Joel 2 and other places where he says he will put his spiirit in man so that they prophecy and heal before his comming. This is the true reason Yahshua came as a babe. To show us men can have the spirit and fullfill Yahweh's will. He died to break the marraige covenant with Israel. Till death do we part. This enabled all who has a heart for Yahweh Jew, Greek, Pagan or whoever to come to him without going through the church lets say. Blessings..Miles |
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles Well you have to bear in mind that is wasn't simply that Jesus was not a warrior type the first go round that caused the Hebrews to reject him. It was a number of reasons. They had a very strict criteria. At least that is my understanding. They might even reject him a second time if he still didnt live up to their expectations. These are some of their reasons why he didnt measure up and Im not certain that face melting or any use of force will change this. The Jews are sticklers for the details. 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. I am not familiar with these 4 or any prophecy he did not fullfill then. The Jews are sticklers but it also speaks of many Jews will turn before he returns. My guess is the 2 witnesses. Not only the miracles they do but also the uplifting of the law which will go flat in the chr-stian face. The jews do not even think of chr-stians as anything. That is why they have no propblem with them. They can think what they want and the Jews know it means nothing. I walked into a Jewish book store in chicago on Devon str. I asked a elderly man if they had any books on Yahshua the Messiah. My answer he leaned over to me and said...you better leave and do not say that name again it could be dangerous for you. People were buying books and saying JC all over no problem. But I was in danger. Why they know what the Messiah's name is. Me mentioning as if he had not come was a great sin to them. When the 2 witnesses come back alive and go up into the sky the Jews will have no doubt EliYah has been amoung them. The precurser to Yahshua's return.. Then they will know the teachings these two witnesses had for 3 1/2 years is true and they will convert and give thier lives for his name... Blessings...Miles Well I guess it would be worth getting familiar with them. Personally I dont care so its of no importance to me. These are but some of the reasons he was rejected by the Hebrews. Here are a few of them but its a ridiculously long list you understand. What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Ezekel.... That is when he comes back this time in the physical. Now the jews may not understand that we are the 3rd temple made with out hands.. Acts 2 was the dedication which matches perfectly wit 2chron..5 B.. if you read all around it he speaks as if he is not on earth but that his spirit is with them always. The Jews rejected this from Ez. above. He did bring them back to Israel as promiced before he comes.They look for him now because of this prophesy. c. This is speaking of Zech. 14:10-15 Yes this will happen but they do not see the prophesies of him comming as a babe being beaten with stripes... The messiah even came saying he did not come to bring peace but a sword.. That the deviding of the word would prevail in those who had a heart for yahweh weeding out the weeds from the shaft. D.. yea this will happen. When Yahshua 1st started his ministry in luke 4: 18 he read from Isa 61 and stopped and left out the vengence of Yahweh. That was not to happen then. He came to heal. What the Jews fail to leave out is Joel 2 and other places where he says he will put his spiirit in man so that they prophecy and heal before his comming. This is the true reason Yahshua came as a babe. To show us men can have the spirit and fullfill Yahweh's will. He died to break the marraige covenant with Israel. Till death do we part. This enabled all who has a heart for Yahweh Jew, Greek, Pagan or whoever to come to him without going through the church lets say. Blessings..Miles |
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No the Messiah the Jews are looking for is the same..Shalom...Miles Well you have to bear in mind that is wasn't simply that Jesus was not a warrior type the first go round that caused the Hebrews to reject him. It was a number of reasons. They had a very strict criteria. At least that is my understanding. They might even reject him a second time if he still didnt live up to their expectations. These are some of their reasons why he didnt measure up and Im not certain that face melting or any use of force will change this. The Jews are sticklers for the details. 1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies. 2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah. 3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations. 4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation. I am not familiar with these 4 or any prophecy he did not fullfill then. The Jews are sticklers but it also speaks of many Jews will turn before he returns. My guess is the 2 witnesses. Not only the miracles they do but also the uplifting of the law which will go flat in the chr-stian face. The jews do not even think of chr-stians as anything. That is why they have no propblem with them. They can think what they want and the Jews know it means nothing. I walked into a Jewish book store in chicago on Devon str. I asked a elderly man if they had any books on Yahshua the Messiah. My answer he leaned over to me and said...you better leave and do not say that name again it could be dangerous for you. People were buying books and saying JC all over no problem. But I was in danger. Why they know what the Messiah's name is. Me mentioning as if he had not come was a great sin to them. When the 2 witnesses come back alive and go up into the sky the Jews will have no doubt EliYah has been amoung them. The precurser to Yahshua's return.. Then they will know the teachings these two witnesses had for 3 1/2 years is true and they will convert and give thier lives for his name... Blessings...Miles Well I guess it would be worth getting familiar with them. Personally I dont care so its of no importance to me. These are but some of the reasons he was rejected by the Hebrews. Here are a few of them but its a ridiculously long list you understand. What is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Bible says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28). B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world -- on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). The historical fact is that Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Ezekel.... That is when he comes back this time in the physical. Now the jews may not understand that we are the 3rd temple made with out hands.. Acts 2 was the dedication which matches perfectly wit 2chron..5 B.. if you read all around it he speaks as if he is not on earth but that his spirit is with them always. The Jews rejected this from Ez. above. He did bring them back to Israel as promiced before he comes.They look for him now because of this prophesy. c. This is speaking of Zech. 14:10-15 Yes this will happen but they do not see the prophesies of him comming as a babe being beaten with stripes... The messiah even came saying he did not come to bring peace but a sword.. That the deviding of the word would prevail in those who had a heart for yahweh weeding out the weeds from the shaft. D.. yea this will happen. When Yahshua 1st started his ministry in luke 4: 18 he read from Isa 61 and stopped and left out the vengence of Yahweh. That was not to happen then. He came to heal. What the Jews fail to leave out is Joel 2 and other places where he says he will put his spiirit in man so that they prophecy and heal before his comming. This is the true reason Yahshua came as a babe. To show us men can have the spirit and fullfill Yahweh's will. He died to break the marraige covenant with Israel. Till death do we part. This enabled all who has a heart for Yahweh Jew, Greek, Pagan or whoever to come to him without going through the church lets say. Blessings..Miles Yeah but Miles, according to the Hebrews, Jesus had one shot at fulfilling these messianic prophesies because Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright, and no concept of a second coming exists. |
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