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Topic: Why we Shouldnt have Faith In Science
Krimsa's photo
Sun 09/28/08 03:53 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Sun 09/28/08 03:57 PM

ummmm wouldn't the whole concept of omnipotency imply that he could?


In that case you would have to believe in this in order to simply accept that he can just "do anything" because he is omnipotent. Then there is no point in arguing. Clearly the bible makes thousands of outlandish claims so we can just assume it was written by men and that was their understanding of the world around them at the time, or else they were just telling fables. happy


Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 09/28/08 03:59 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Sun 09/28/08 04:01 PM
joel 2 is a problem for them then..


Joel 2:28-32

"And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

30 "And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of Yahweh.
32 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of Yahweh
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As Yahweh has said,
Among the remnant whom Yahweh calls.
NKJV

Many problems for the Jews.

Pour out his spirit on all. He did this.

The moon turning to blood and the sun not shining. Acts 2 said it happened and the evangels.

Science has went back and figured out that very close to when Messiah Died this happened.

It is recorded it happened about 3pm in the after noon when the earth went dark as he died,

The Jews will not even say the name of Yahweh..It is 2 Holy. Yet he says everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh shall be saved. Blessings...Miles

Krimsa's photo
Sun 09/28/08 04:02 PM

joel 2 is a problem for them then..


Joel 2:28-32

"And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

30 "And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
32 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of Yahweh
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As Yahweh has said,
Among the remnant whom Yahweh calls.
NKJV

Many problems for the Jews.

Pour out his spirit on all. He did this.

The moon turning to blood and the sun not shining. Acts 2 said it happened and the evangels.

Science has went back and figured out that very close to when Messiah Died this happened.

It is recorded it happened about 3pm in the after noon when the earth went dark as he died,

The Jews will not even say the name of Yahweh..It is 2 Holy. Yet he says everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh shall be saved. Blessings...Miles



Right. I totally agree. The Jews basically have their criteria and that is it. Otherwise they would have been on board with this from the get go. They are entitled to have their beliefs (evidently they are still waiting) and the Christians can have their own. Although, now the Christians are waiting for a "second coming" I guess. The Jews are still waiting for their true Messiah. I dont see why there needs to be an argument really. Two religions waiting on two different things to happen.

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Sun 09/28/08 04:11 PM
Thier both waiting for him to return. I agree thier should not be arguments or anything. People believe they can convert someone. You can do nothing Yahweh givrs them freewill to do as they choose. Blessings..Miles

Krimsa's photo
Sun 09/28/08 04:19 PM

Thier both waiting for him to return. I agree thier should not be arguments or anything. People believe they can convert someone. You can do nothing Yahweh givrs them freewill to do as they choose. Blessings..Miles


Yeah but that is you saying that the Jews should simply acknowledge that Jesus was the son of god and the one true Messiah correct? See they wont do that. I think they are in fact still waiting for their first true Messiah to arrive. So they would argue. Now if Jesus came back and melted their faces or did something that obviously intimidated Israel then yeah they might just go along with it. happy But that would not be very becoming of Jesus I dont think right?

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Sun 09/28/08 04:31 PM
Thier are reasons for everything. I believe the Jews will become believers before Yahshua comes back. They will know what the 2 witnesses are saying and then when they come back to life and are taken to heaven. They will know and believe then...Shalom..Miles

Krimsa's photo
Sun 09/28/08 04:31 PM
Here is god being really pissed off. This is inconsistent with omnipotence and more consistent with being an ass.

JER 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.


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Sun 09/28/08 05:00 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 09/28/08 05:38 PM
Miles......


When we Believers in God's ONLY BEGOTTEN SON...
get to heaven....
it will not matter to God
one bit...
whether we called His Son ,Jesus or Yashua...
or
say His Name in french, or spanish, or in the islamic language ( cause yes many muslims are accepting jesus too, and quess what.... they are calling upon Jesus Name in the islamic language!!!!!)..or any other language on this earth!!

Why?

Cause God is NOT a LEGALISTIC PETTY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


God simply looks at our heart, to see if we truly have accepted His Only
Begotten Son ,JESUS.... Who Died on that Cross for Us All!!!

And YES....In ENGLISH , His NAME IS JESUS!!

Now...IF some people want to call JESUS by his jewish name, Yashua..... that is fine.

I MYSELF call Jesus Yashua sometimes , cause I have dear messianic jewish friends from new york, who are born again jews(and I also have dear jewish friends, who are not born again jews also).

But quess what,Miles, the born again jews, who call Jesus Yashua, have NO problem with my calling Yashua, JESUS !!!!!
And Neither does GOD !!!!

Miles...I pray you get set free from this legalistic spiritual bondage you are in.
It is sad really.

Miles...... keeping the law does NOT get you saved.

Accepting Jesus ( Yashua) into your heart ,as your Personal Lord and Saviour is the ONLY way to Salvation.
No other way.

And IF you want to call Jesus by his Jewish Name, Yashua, God has no problem with that.
Afterall, that is the jewish Name for Jesus.

BUT Miles... for you to think that every christian is greatly DECIEVED, because we christians call the Son of God ,by the Name of Jesus... instead of Yashua?
Is foolishnes to the ummmmpthhhhh degree!

My God, how I weep at how the enemy comes in ,and puts people in spiritual bondage over some petty nonsense like this!!!!

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Sun 09/28/08 05:47 PM
I keep the law because I have a heart to do so.

Thier is nothing Legalistic about it.

You like you ministers go to great strides to claim those who keep the whole book and not just bits and pieces of it.

Names do not change between languages. The sound is still the same.

Your Jewish friends that does not surprise me at all them haveing no problem with JC. Ask them to say Yahweh and see if they will?


They are deserters of thier faith you might say they know JC means nothing to them no different than if you say Jim Bob is the Messiah.

Levitts on TV he knows better but says it for the bucks he brings in. He is a deciever or he would not do it.

You do not know who you are worshipping when you say that name.


I wrote Tribo and explained it to him. I have not on here because you will not believe it and will probally be upset. I show you JC and his fathers name.

I will if you are up to it or anyone else.

You never use scripture at all you just say Oh you believe in the law so you are decieved. Am I?

Was Yahshua not our example. I do not do sacrafises. Is anywhere recorded where Yahshua did sacrafices? The keeping of the law is what gives us the ability to have the Holy Spirit in the 1st Place.

If he would not of kept the law would Pentecost of happened where the Holy Spirit came down and lighted on each of them as Tongues of fire?

Oh yea Pentecost is also known as the feast of weeks. so why do you keep it? It is part of the anual feast days that have been done away?

Are you a legalists?

Oh and the counting of Pentecost depends on when PASSOVER is not Easter. That is how you and your ministers count it from Passover a day that is done away.

How can this possibly be?

We are not legalists?

Well I guess if you are not a legalists for keeping a day that is right amoung all the feast days. Then I guess I am not one for wanting to keeep the days Yahweh calls HOLY.and will be kept when Yahshua comes back.

Or did you rip these pages out of your bible?

Zech 14:16-19

And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yahweh of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which Yahweh strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
NKJV


So when you pray next ask Yahshua why he is a legalist?

Tell him you should not have to keep the Feast of Tabernacles when he comes back?


Go tell him about it and come back and tell me what he says? Would you? Shalom..Miles

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Sun 09/28/08 06:07 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Sun 09/28/08 06:09 PM
Miles...once more....I pray you get set free from this legalistic spiritual bondage you are in.

I am not one to argue over foolishness.
The world needs to hear about JESUS, not "religious bondage" foolishness .

The world is sick of religiousity...don't blame them.

Nuff said.

ps... born again christians have the law written on the tablets of their heart, and keep the law out of love for God, and not because they are under the letter of the law.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 09/28/08 06:10 PM
That right nuff said.

You are the one putting burdens on them that are unbiblical...

will not answer my questions because you can't

Belushi's photo
Sun 09/28/08 08:53 PM


say His Name in french, or spanish, or in the islamic language ( cause yes many muslims are accepting jesus too, and quess what.... they are calling upon Jesus Name in the islamic language!!!!!)..or any other language on this earth!!



I sometimes wonder what drugs you are on.

The muslims know Jesus as Isa. He is not the son of Allah, as Allah has no children.

Isa was a man who was given prophetic skills by Allah.

Isa is the second most revered prophet after Muhammed, who was the last prophet from Allah.

Isa did not get crucified, die and have his body resurrected, he was taken to the right hand of Allah.

So Muslims have been accepting Isa since the religion got started.

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Mon 09/29/08 12:30 AM
Edited by MorningSong on Mon 09/29/08 12:46 AM
Belushi...when I mentioned that muslims say the Name Jesus in their own language, I was referring to born again muslims, who are accepting Jesus as not only a prophet, but as their own personal Saviour too..and yes, many are coming to Christ.

BUT my point in my earlier post was...these born again muslims are saying the Name of Jesus in their OWN native Language, and NOT in the English language....and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Just like every other culture pronounces the Name of Jesus in their own language..again...NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!
God is not some Kind of Legalistic God like that!!!

BUT sadly, there is a new religious movement going on today out there, that is trying to tell everyone that Jesus must ONLLY be pronounced in the HEBREW language , or else everyone is in Error.

Here are some websites on this religious movement....which sadly,for people caught up in this, just puts them under legalistic spiritual bondage.
Sad.
:cry: :cry: :cry:

http://www.pfrs.org/jewish/hr09.html

http://www.whyapostolic.com/html/jesus.html

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/gods_name_yahweh_or_jesus.html


Krimsa's photo
Mon 09/29/08 05:14 AM
Edited by Krimsa on Mon 09/29/08 05:26 AM
Morning Song how would know exactly "what god is like"? He could be an ass (based on much of the bible). He might be a stickler for the details as far as what names are used to describe him. Cant people just refer to him in whatever manner they prefer? How will that effect you or your personal beliefs? Also, not everyone is converting to Christianity. There are plenty of Muslims who know exactly what this belief system entails and want nothing to do with it. I cant blame them in most cases. There are also many Christians who "drop out of the clubhouse" and choose to seek other spiritual routes or identities. And some choose atheism or no belief whatsoever. Its a very "to each their own" situation and I think its best to let it go at that.

Krimsa's photo
Mon 09/29/08 09:52 AM
Genesis (1:16)

(1:16) "God made the two great lights."

"The greater light (the sun) to rule the day, and the lesser light (the moon) to rule the night."

But the moon is not a light; it only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky?
huh

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Mon 09/29/08 09:58 AM
and....

the NUMBER 1 reason not to have faith in Science is....
drumroll please...

Science is based on testable evidence!

whining...

"THERE'S NO FAITH IN SCIENCE!!" noway

rofl


Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 09/29/08 10:01 AM
getting back to the basics Slowhand Shalom...Miles

And Good Morning or maybe afternoon

Krimsa's photo
Mon 09/29/08 10:02 AM

and....

the NUMBER 1 reason not to have faith in Science is....
drumroll please...

Science is based on testable evidence!

whining...

"THERE'S NO FAITH IN SCIENCE!!" noway

rofl




And the up side to that is you can choose to not accept the validity of any scientific theory (like human evolution) and not be condemned to hell and eternal damnation. Yaaaa! rofl

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 09/29/08 10:04 AM
can I get a HalleluYah to That

Milesoftheusa's photo
Mon 09/29/08 10:08 AM
On a lighter note here is a video string I made up you might like.. it plays automatically..Shalom..Miles


http://www.imeem.com/people/Vi4HcA2/playlist/WsqKPZSX/ragweed_p_o_video_playlist/

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