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re stamina : question asked and answered,,, MsHarmony...that you have a belief that God Jesus and the Pope lack the stamina and the desire to represent any one group of people is just another example how you like Cowboy are willling to say anything to fit your own personal agendas.....God is supposdly omnipotent but according to what you just posted he lack stamina and desire to represent a group of humans that he had the desire to create what's the purpose of claiming you have faith or that you are a Christian if you are so willing to run outside the bounderies set by the belief due to shame or your ego Cowboy is claiming that Jesus is The Father and that The Father is not The Father but Grandpa..and you are in her praising him for this instead of trying to set him on the right path as you were commanded by Jesus to do ...unless of course you agree with him that Yahweh is Grandpa perhaps they should re-write the bible for you and Cowboy JOHN 1:1 In The Beginning there was the Word and The Word was with Grandpa God and The Word was Grandpa God alot of ASSUMPTIONS in that one,,,, well those assumptions are from The Gospel of Cowboy .... which you praise him for spreading it ..... I can't believe I'm saying this...but you two jokers need to find Jesus ... no, those assumptions are from the Gospel of Funches, a joker whom I believe thinks he IS Jesus 
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re stamina : question asked and answered,,, MsHarmony...that you have a belief that God Jesus and the Pope lack the stamina and the desire to represent any one group of people is just another example how you like Cowboy are willling to say anything to fit your own personal agendas.....God is supposdly omnipotent but according to what you just posted he lack stamina and desire to represent a group of humans that he had the desire to create what's the purpose of claiming you have faith or that you are a Christian if you are so willing to run outside the bounderies set by the belief due to shame or your ego Cowboy is claiming that Jesus is The Father and that The Father is not The Father but Grandpa..and you are in her praising him for this instead of trying to set him on the right path as you were commanded by Jesus to do ...unless of course you agree with him that Yahweh is Grandpa perhaps they should re-write the bible for you and Cowboy JOHN 1:1 In The Beginning there was the Word and The Word was with Grandpa God and The Word was Grandpa God alot of ASSUMPTIONS in that one,,,, well those assumptions are from The Gospel of Cowboy .... which you praise him for spreading it ..... I can't believe I'm saying this...but you two jokers need to find Jesus ... no, those assumptions are from the Gospel of Funches, a joker whom I believe thinks he IS Jesus
after reading your posts it's clear you wouldn't know Jesus if you tripped over him ....which is why for all you know...I could be Jesus |
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Cowboy...I beleive this will help tremendously , in knowing and understanding Who Jesus truly is. Be Blessed Now, Cowboy. .............TITLES AND NAMES OF JESUS............. There are over 100 different names and titles for Jesus. Listed here are a number of them. As you go over this list note that they describe the character of Jesus, the greatness of His glory and power, and also how He came to earth as a servant to provide you with many blessings. Scriptures used are from The World English Bible. ADAM: 1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ALMIGHTY: Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." ALPHA and OMEGA: Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. AMEN: Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Head of God's creation, says these things: APOSTLE: Hebrews 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus; (The word "apostle" should be translated "messenger.") AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF FAITH: Hebrews 12:2 looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.. AUTHOR OF SALVATION: Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. BLESSED AND ONLY RULER: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; BREAD OF LIFE: John 6:48 I am the bread of life. BRIGHT and MORNING STAR: Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star." CHIEF SHEPHERD: 1 Peter 5:4 When the chief Shepherd is revealed, you will receive the crown of glory that doesn't fade away. CHRIST OF GOD: Luke 9:20 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered, "The Christ of God." COUNSELOR: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. CREATOR: Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. DELIVERER: Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. DOOR: John 10:7-9 Jesus therefore said to them again, "Most assuredly, I tell you, I am the sheep's door. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn't listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture. EVERLASTING FATHER: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. FAITHFUL WITNESS: Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood; FIRST AND LAST: Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last, FIRSTBORN: Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood; GOD: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, GOOD SHEPHERD: John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. GOVERNOR: Matthew 2:6 'You Bethlehem, land of Judah, Are in no way least among the princes of Judah: For out of you shall come forth a governor, who shall shepherd my people, Israel.'" GREAT HIGH PRIEST: Hebrews 4:14 Having then a great high priest, who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold tightly to our confession. HEAD OF GOD'S CREATION: Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Head of God's creation, says these things: HEAD OF THE ASSEMBLY: Ephesians 1:22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly. HEIR OF ALL THINGS: Hebrews 1:2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds HOLY SERVANT: Acts 4:27 For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together. HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS ONE: Acts 3:14 But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, HOLY ONE OF GOD: Mark 1:24 saying, "Ha! What do we have to do with you, Jesus, you Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know you who you are: the Holy One of God!" HORN OF SALVATION: Luke 1:69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David. I AM: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM." IMAGE OF GOD: 2 Corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this world has the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn on them. IMMANUEL: Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. JESUS: Matthew 1:21 She shall bring forth a son. You shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins." KING ETERNAL IMMORTAL INVISIBLE: 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. KING OF THE JEWS: Matthew 2:2 "Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him." KING OF KINGS: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; KING OF THE NATIONS: Revelation 15:3 They sang the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are your works, Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are your ways, you King of the nations. LAWGIVER: Isaiah 33:22 For Yahweh is our judge, Yahweh is our lawgiver, Yahweh is our king; he will save us. LAMB: Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed. LAMB OF GOD: John 1:29 The next day, he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! LIFE: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. LIGHT OF THE WORLD: John 8:12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life." LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH: Revelation 5:5 One of the elders said to me, "Don't weep. Behold, the Lion who is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome; he who opens the book and its seven seals." LORD: John 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" LORD OF ALL: Acts 10:36 The word which he sent to the children of Israel, preaching good news of peace by Jesus Christ -- he is Lord of all -- . LORD OF GLORY: 1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the rulers of this world has known. For had they known it, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory. LORD OF LORDS: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; MAN OF SUFFERING: Isaiah 53:3 He was despised, and rejected by men; a man of suffering, and acquainted with disease: and as one from whom men hide their face he was despised; and we didn't respect him. MEDIATOR: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT: Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I send my messenger , and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Yahweh of hosts. MESSIAH (THE ANOINTED ONE): Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times. John 1:41 He first found his own brother, Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah!" (which is, being interpreted, Christ). MIGHTY GOD: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. NAZARENE: Matthew 2:23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth; that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene." OUR PASSOVER: 1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place. PRINCE OF PEACE: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. PROPHET: Luke 24:19 He said to them, "What things?" They said to him, "The things concerning Jesus, the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people; Acts 3:22 For Moses indeed said to the fathers, 'The Lord God will raise up a prophet for you from among your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him in all things whatever he says to you. REDEEMER: Job 19:25 But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives. In the end, he will stand upon the earth. RESURRECTION AND LIFE: John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he die , yet will he live. RIGHTEOUS ONE: Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets didn't your fathers persecute? They killed those who foretold the coming of the Righteous One, of whom you have now become betrayers and murderers. ROCK 1 Corinthians 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. SAVIOR: Luke 2:11 For there is born to you, this day, in the city of David, a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. SHEPHERD AND OVERSEER: 1 Peter 2:25 For you were going astray like sheep; but are now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. SON OF DAVID: Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. SON OF THE MOST HIGH: Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David, SON OF MAN: Matthew 8:20 Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head." TRUTH: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. TRUE LIGHT: John 1:9 The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world. TRUE VINE: John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer." WAY: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. WITNESS: Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander to the peoples. WONDERFUL: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. WORD: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. WORD OF GOD: Revelation 19:13 He is clothed in a garment sprinkled with blood. His name is called "The Word of God." YAHWEH: Isaiah 26:4 Trust in Yahweh forever; for in Yah, Yahweh, is an everlasting Rock. YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS: Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name by which he shall be called: Yahweh our righteousness. http://www.abetterhope.com/whois/titles.html 
MorningSong by placing Yahweh into the equation you're adding to Cowboy's confusion...both of you are trying to claim That Jesus is The Father Jesus himself said that that he didn't know the time of judgement day and that only the father knows ...this is Jesus clearly making a statement that he is not The Father and clearly making the statement that he does not have the knowledge of God which is why he can't be the Father or God because he lacked the knowledge to be either |
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Cowboy...I beleive this will help tremendously , in knowing and understanding Who Jesus truly is. Be Blessed Now, Cowboy. .............TITLES AND NAMES OF JESUS............. There are over 100 different names and titles for Jesus. Listed here are a number of them. As you go over this list note that they describe the character of Jesus, the greatness of His glory and power, and also how He came to earth as a servant to provide you with many blessings. Scriptures used are from The World English Bible. ADAM: 1 Corinthians 15:45 So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. ALMIGHTY: Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." ALPHA and OMEGA: Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. AMEN: Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Head of God's creation, says these things: APOSTLE: Hebrews 3:1 Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus; (The word "apostle" should be translated "messenger.") AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF FAITH: Hebrews 12:2 looking to Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.. AUTHOR OF SALVATION: Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and through whom are all things, in bringing many children to glory, to make the author of their salvation perfect through sufferings. BLESSED AND ONLY RULER: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; BREAD OF LIFE: John 6:48 I am the bread of life. BRIGHT and MORNING STAR: Revelation 22:16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify these things to you for the assemblies. I am the root and the offspring of David; the Bright and Morning Star." CHIEF SHEPHERD: 1 Peter 5:4 When the chief Shepherd is revealed, you will receive the crown of glory that doesn't fade away. CHRIST OF GOD: Luke 9:20 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" Peter answered, "The Christ of God." COUNSELOR: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. CREATOR: Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. DELIVERER: Romans 11:26 and so all Israel will be saved. Even as it is written, "There will come out of Zion the Deliverer, and he will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. DOOR: John 10:7-9 Jesus therefore said to them again, "Most assuredly, I tell you, I am the sheep's door. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep didn't listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters in by me, he will be saved, and will go in and go out, and will find pasture. EVERLASTING FATHER: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. FAITHFUL WITNESS: Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood; FIRST AND LAST: Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet like a dead man. He laid his right hand on me, saying, "Don't be afraid. I am the first and the last, FIRSTBORN: Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us, and washed us from our sins by his blood; GOD: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, GOOD SHEPHERD: John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. GOVERNOR: Matthew 2:6 'You Bethlehem, land of Judah, Are in no way least among the princes of Judah: For out of you shall come forth a governor, who shall shepherd my people, Israel.'" GREAT HIGH PRIEST: Hebrews 4:14 Having then a great high priest, who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold tightly to our confession. HEAD OF GOD'S CREATION: Revelation 3:14 "To the angel of the assembly in Laodicea write: "The Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Head of God's creation, says these things: HEAD OF THE ASSEMBLY: Ephesians 1:22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly. HEIR OF ALL THINGS: Hebrews 1:2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds HOLY SERVANT: Acts 4:27 For truly, in this city against your holy servant, Jesus, whom you anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles and the people of Israel, were gathered together. HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS ONE: Acts 3:14 But you denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, HOLY ONE OF GOD: Mark 1:24 saying, "Ha! What do we have to do with you, Jesus, you Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know you who you are: the Holy One of God!" HORN OF SALVATION: Luke 1:69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David. I AM: John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM." IMAGE OF GOD: 2 Corinthians 4:4 in whom the god of this world has the minds of the unbelieving, that the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should not dawn on them. IMMANUEL: Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: behold, the virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. JESUS: Matthew 1:21 She shall bring forth a son. You shall call his name Jesus, for it is he who shall save his people from their sins." KING ETERNAL IMMORTAL INVISIBLE: 1 Timothy 1:17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen. KING OF THE JEWS: Matthew 2:2 "Where is he who is born King of the Jews? For we saw his star in the east, and have come to worship him." KING OF KINGS: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; KING OF THE NATIONS: Revelation 15:3 They sang the song of Moses, the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, "Great and marvelous are your works, Lord God, the Almighty; Righteous and true are your ways, you King of the nations. LAWGIVER: Isaiah 33:22 For Yahweh is our judge, Yahweh is our lawgiver, Yahweh is our king; he will save us. LAMB: Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been killed. LAMB OF GOD: John 1:29 The next day, he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! LIFE: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. LIGHT OF THE WORLD: John 8:12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life." LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH: Revelation 5:5 One of the elders said to me, "Don't weep. Behold, the Lion who is of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has overcome; he who opens the book and its seven seals." LORD: John 20:28 Thomas answered him, "My Lord and my God!" LORD OF ALL: Acts 10:36 The word which he sent to the children of Israel, preaching good news of peace by Jesus Christ -- he is Lord of all -- . LORD OF GLORY: 1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the rulers of this world has known. For had they known it, they wouldn't have crucified the Lord of glory. LORD OF LORDS: 1 Timothy 6:15 which in its own times he will show, who is the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; MAN OF SUFFERING: Isaiah 53:3 He was despised, and rejected by men; a man of suffering, and acquainted with disease: and as one from whom men hide their face he was despised; and we didn't respect him. MEDIATOR: 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT: Malachi 3:1 "Behold, I send my messenger , and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Yahweh of hosts. MESSIAH (THE ANOINTED ONE): Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times. John 1:41 He first found his own brother, Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah!" (which is, being interpreted, Christ). MIGHTY GOD: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. NAZARENE: Matthew 2:23 and came and lived in a city called Nazareth; that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets: "He will be called a Nazarene." OUR PASSOVER: 1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place. PRINCE OF PEACE: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. PROPHET: Luke 24:19 He said to them, "What things?" They said to him, "The things concerning Jesus, the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people; Acts 3:22 For Moses indeed said to the fathers, 'The Lord God will raise up a prophet for you from among your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him in all things whatever he says to you. REDEEMER: Job 19:25 But as for me, I know that my Redeemer lives. In the end, he will stand upon the earth. RESURRECTION AND LIFE: John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me, though he die , yet will he live. RIGHTEOUS ONE: Acts 7:52 Which of the prophets didn't your fathers persecute? They killed those who foretold the coming of the Righteous One, of whom you have now become betrayers and murderers. ROCK 1 Corinthians 10:4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of a spiritual rock that followed them, and the rock was Christ. SAVIOR: Luke 2:11 For there is born to you, this day, in the city of David, a Savior, who is Christ the Lord. SHEPHERD AND OVERSEER: 1 Peter 2:25 For you were going astray like sheep; but are now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls. SON OF DAVID: Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. SON OF THE MOST HIGH: Luke 1:32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father, David, SON OF MAN: Matthew 8:20 Jesus said to him, "The foxes have holes, and the birds of the sky have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head." TRUTH: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. TRUE LIGHT: John 1:9 The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world. TRUE VINE: John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer." WAY: John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me. WITNESS: Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the peoples, a leader and commander to the peoples. WONDERFUL: Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. WORD: John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. WORD OF GOD: Revelation 19:13 He is clothed in a garment sprinkled with blood. His name is called "The Word of God." YAHWEH: Isaiah 26:4 Trust in Yahweh forever; for in Yah, Yahweh, is an everlasting Rock. YAHWEH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS: Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is his name by which he shall be called: Yahweh our righteousness. http://www.abetterhope.com/whois/titles.html
MorningSong by placing Yahweh into the equation you're adding to Cowboy's confusion...both of you are trying to claim That Jesus is The Father Jesus himself said that that he didn't know the time of judgement day and that only the father knows ...this is Jesus clearly making a statement that he is not The Father and clearly making the statement that he does not have the knowledge of God which is why he can't be the Father or God because he lacked the knowledge to be either Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. |
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Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. give a passage from the bible where Jesus said that he was The Father, don't give a passage from a second hand delusional follower as a source...give a passage where Jesus himself claim that he was The Father ... |
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Jesus himself said that that he didn't know the time of judgement day and that only the father knows ...this is Jesus clearly making a statement that he is not The Father and clearly making the statement that he does not have the knowledge of God
which is why he can't be the Father or God because he lacked the knowledge to be either Admittedly... It seems that some Christians claim to know more about Jesus than Jesus did. 
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Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. give a passage from the bible where Jesus said that he was The Father, don't give a passage from a second hand delusional follower as a source...give a passage where Jesus himself claim that he was The Father ... Wouldn't matter if I gave a verse like that or not, it's all the same. I have nothing to prove to you funches, don't know why you feel I do. I have given verse(s) stating Jesus as our father, if you refuse to believe that. You will refuse to believe it even Jesus himself says it. You'll come up with some kind of outrageous reason on why it's not right. |
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Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. give a passage from the bible where Jesus said that he was The Father, don't give a passage from a second hand delusional follower as a source...give a passage where Jesus himself claim that he was The Father ... Wouldn't matter if I gave a verse like that or not, it's all the same. I have nothing to prove to you funches, don't know why you feel I do. I have given verse(s) stating Jesus as our father, if you refuse to believe that. You will refuse to believe it even Jesus himself says it. You'll come up with some kind of outrageous reason on why it's not right. I'm giving the following verse as an example. If you'll notice when Jesus speaks of his father, he ALWAYS says HIS father. He doesn't say THE father, OUR father, or anything like that. He distinctively says HIS father. Matthew 11:27 27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him |
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I'm giving the following verse as an example. If you'll notice when Jesus speaks of his father, he ALWAYS says HIS father. He doesn't say THE father, OUR father, or anything like that. He distinctively says HIS father. Matthew 11:27 27All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him sorry but I asked you for a passage where Jesus himself states that he is the Father....if you can't find one...it just something else that you made up some people claim to be Christians so they can trash the religion |
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Funches wrote: MorningSong by placing Yahweh into the equation you're adding to Cowboy's confusion...both of you are trying to claim That Jesus is The Father Jesus himself said that that he didn't know the time of judgement day and that only the father knows ...this is Jesus clearly making a statement that he is not The Father and clearly making the statement that he does not have the knowledge of God which is why he can't be the Father or God because he lacked the knowledge to be either Funches, Jesus is NOT GOD THE FATHER ......JESUS IS GOD THE SON... HOWEVER.........JESUS(GOD THE SON) IS EQUALLY GOD WITH GOD THE FATHER. Funches, that scripture says ,Jesus is Yahweh our Righteousness....or God our Righteousness. Notice it did NOT just say Jesus is Yahweh...yet... JESUS IS STILL JUST AS MUCH God AS Yahweh. ( remember now...the 3 persons in the Godhead make up ONLY... ONE...God!! THERE IS ONLY ONLY ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.........THE 3 distinct persons(father,son, holy spirit) make up ONLY ONE GOD. Cowboy wrote: Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. INCORRECT,Cowboy. Jesus is NOT our FATHER.(you have to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD ). There is ONLY ONLY ONLY ONE FATHER....NOT TWO........THERE IS ONLY GOD THE FATHER. However.... JESUS IS IS IS EQUALLY GOD WITH WITH WITH THE FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again.....The word has to be rightly divived, Cowboy....otherwise GOD'S WORD can be made to say any ole thing we want it to say.
This may help to bettr understand: ..........Isaiah 9:6, Is Jesus the Everlasting Father?........ "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6). There is a group called Oneness Pentecostal believers......who DENY the Trinity and teach that Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all one person. They sometimes quote Isaiah 9:6 in their attempt to prove their position. However, Isaiah 9:6 cannot be used to disprove the Trinity nor bolster their Oneness doctrine. When Isaiah 9:6 says that Jesus' name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is NOT NOT NOT saying that Jesus IS the eternal Father, but that he HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF God. In other words, Jesus has ALLLLL the ATTRIBUTES OF God, including eternality. In the ancient Jewish culture, names had meanings. We can better understand this by noting American Indian names such as "Running wolf" or "Fighting Bear." The same with Jewish names. They had meanings. Isaac, for example, means "laughter." Noah means "rest" or "peace." So, when Isaiah is speaking of the name of the coming Messiah and says his name will be Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is telling us ABOUT THE CHARACTERISITICS of the Messiah to come in a prophetic manner. If Jesus' name is "Eternal Father", then why don't we call Jesus "Eternal Father"? For that matter, why don't we call his name "Wonderful Counselor," or "Mighty God," or "Prince of Peace"? The text speaks OF a name, yet has four things revealed IN the name. Again, this shows us that it is the characteristics of the then-coming Messiah. The fact that the Messiah would be DIVINE is verified in Heb. 1:3, when it says, "And He [Jesus] is the RADIANCE of HIS [GOD] GLORY and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS NATURE , and UPHOLDS ALL things by the WORD of HIS POWER..." This also explains why Jesus said, "...He who has seen Me has seen the Father," (John 14:9). It was because Jesus so precisely REPRESENTED God the Father as His prophesied name reveals. Furthermore, the Oneness Pentecostal people assert that God's name is really "Jesus." But, if that is true, and if Jesus is the Eternal Father as they claim, then why don't they call Jesus "The Eternal Father" as His name? Does it also mean that the mode that God is in right now is that of the Father since His name is "Eternal Father" implying He is always the Father? If that is taken literally, then God is the Eternal Father, and the true person of the Godhead is the Father, not the Son as the Oneness people assert. The Oneness Pentecostal theology is incorrect and improperly describes the true and living God. christianapologetics.org Please note.....although the Son is NOT the Father, God the Father GAVE ALLLLLLLLLLL GLORY TO His Son Jesus. |
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This may help also:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.html http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html http://www.gotquestions.org/trinitarianism.html PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS ONE SCRIPTURE IN PARTICULAR: In the following scripture, NOTICE how The Father Himself addressed His SON as GOD , : “But about the Son He says, 'YOUR throne, O God, will last forever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8).
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re stamina : question asked and answered,,, MsHarmony...that you have a belief that God Jesus and the Pope lack the stamina and the desire to represent any one group of people is just another example how you like Cowboy are willling to say anything to fit your own personal agendas.....God is supposdly omnipotent but according to what you just posted he lack stamina and desire to represent a group of humans that he had the desire to create what's the purpose of claiming you have faith or that you are a Christian if you are so willing to run outside the bounderies set by the belief due to shame or your ego Cowboy is claiming that Jesus is The Father and that The Father is not The Father but Grandpa..and you are in her praising him for this instead of trying to set him on the right path as you were commanded by Jesus to do ...unless of course you agree with him that Yahweh is Grandpa perhaps they should re-write the bible for you and Cowboy JOHN 1:1 In The Beginning there was the Word and The Word was with Grandpa God and The Word was Grandpa God alot of ASSUMPTIONS in that one,,,, well those assumptions are from The Gospel of Cowboy .... which you praise him for spreading it ..... I can't believe I'm saying this...but you two jokers need to find Jesus ... no, those assumptions are from the Gospel of Funches, a joker whom I believe thinks he IS Jesus
after reading your posts it's clear you wouldn't know Jesus if you tripped over him ....which is why for all you know...I could be Jesus exactly, all mighty, all knowing interpreter,,, 
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is
http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, |
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Here are more scriptures that will help clarify, Cowboy. Be Blessed Now, Precious. 
For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE. 1 John 5:7 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee BEFORE the world was. John 17:5 All men should honour the Son, EVEN AS they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 But unto the Son He [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham WAS, I AM. John 8:58 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP into glory." --1 Timothy 3:16 "But unto the SON He saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" -- Hebrews 1:8, 10 "I and my Father are ONE." --Jesus Christ, John 10:30 "...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." --Philippians 2:5-8 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE." --1 John 5:7 "... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD." --Acts 20:28 "Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us... --1 John 3:16 "And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit." --Acts 7:59 "For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." --Isaiah 9:6 "And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD." --John 20:28 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." --John 1:1-4, 14 "Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''" -- John 14:8-9 "...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..." --II Corinthians 4:4 "...glory of GOD in the FACE OF JESUS CHRIST." --II Corinthians 4:6 "GOD...hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SON...who being the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON..." --Hebrews 1:1-3 Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 1:15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn* of every creature: 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; *firstborn: pre-eminence in rank as opposed to priority in time. This can be shown in passages where the term 'firstborn' is used of the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where David is called 'firstborn' although he was actually the youngest son. "For in [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." -- Colossians 2:9 "...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US." --Matthew 1:23 "The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness, PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway FOR OUR GOD." -- Isaiah 40:3 THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THOUGHT HE BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH. "The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." -- John 10:33
Cowboy......study again these scriptures above ....and take note ESPECIALLY of the following scripture : (Cowboy....in the following scripture,That is God the Father talking to God the Son...
God the Father is Calling God the Son GOD....(meaning...God the SON is EQUALLY EQUALLY EQUALLY GOD with GOD THE FATHER.... but still, that does NOT mean the Son IS the Father... The Son and the Father are STILL .....and remain always........the 2 distinct persons withIn the Godhead..along with the 3rd person called the Holy Spirit.... YET.... all 3 distinct persons of the Godhead STILL make up ONLY ONE GOD. Here is the Scripture now: "But unto the SON He saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is FOR EVER AND EVER : a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast LAID THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH; and the HEAVES ARE THE WORKS OF THINE HANDS.' " -- Hebrews 1:8, 10 Cowboy...that is God the Father talking to JESUS (WHO in the beginning was known as the WORD Who was WITH God))....the CREATOR... GOD THE SON..WHO ALWAYS WAS WITH GOD THE FATHER....FROM THE VERY BEGINNING... YET ....STILL....THEY(along with the Holy Spirit)... MAKE... UP...ONLY... ONE.... GOD.
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Funches wrote: MorningSong by placing Yahweh into the equation you're adding to Cowboy's confusion...both of you are trying to claim That Jesus is The Father Jesus himself said that that he didn't know the time of judgement day and that only the father knows ...this is Jesus clearly making a statement that he is not The Father and clearly making the statement that he does not have the knowledge of God which is why he can't be the Father or God because he lacked the knowledge to be either Funches, Jesus is NOT GOD THE FATHER ......JESUS IS GOD THE SON... HOWEVER.........JESUS(GOD THE SON) IS EQUALLY GOD WITH GOD THE FATHER. Funches, that scripture says ,Jesus is Yahweh our Righteousness....or God our Righteousness. Notice it did NOT just say Jesus is Yahweh...yet... JESUS IS STILL JUST AS MUCH God AS Yahweh. ( remember now...the 3 persons in the Godhead make up ONLY... ONE...God!! THERE IS ONLY ONLY ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.........THE 3 distinct persons(father,son, holy spirit) make up ONLY ONE GOD. Cowboy wrote: Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. INCORRECT,Cowboy. Jesus is NOT our FATHER.(you have to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD ). There is ONLY ONLY ONLY ONE FATHER....NOT TWO........THERE IS ONLY GOD THE FATHER. However.... JESUS IS IS IS EQUALLY GOD WITH WITH WITH THE FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Again.....The word has to be rightly divived, Cowboy....otherwise GOD'S WORD can be made to say any ole thing we want it to say.
This may help to bettr understand: ..........Isaiah 9:6, Is Jesus the Everlasting Father?........ "For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace," (Isaiah 9:6). There is a group called Oneness Pentecostal believers......who DENY the Trinity and teach that Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit are all one person. They sometimes quote Isaiah 9:6 in their attempt to prove their position. However, Isaiah 9:6 cannot be used to disprove the Trinity nor bolster their Oneness doctrine. When Isaiah 9:6 says that Jesus' name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is NOT NOT NOT saying that Jesus IS the eternal Father, but that he HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS OF God. In other words, Jesus has ALLLLL the ATTRIBUTES OF God, including eternality. In the ancient Jewish culture, names had meanings. We can better understand this by noting American Indian names such as "Running wolf" or "Fighting Bear." The same with Jewish names. They had meanings. Isaac, for example, means "laughter." Noah means "rest" or "peace." So, when Isaiah is speaking of the name of the coming Messiah and says his name will be Mighty God, Eternal Father, etc., it is telling us ABOUT THE CHARACTERISITICS of the Messiah to come in a prophetic manner. If Jesus' name is "Eternal Father", then why don't we call Jesus "Eternal Father"? For that matter, why don't we call his name "Wonderful Counselor," or "Mighty God," or "Prince of Peace"? The text speaks OF a name, yet has four things revealed IN the name. Again, this shows us that it is the characteristics of the then-coming Messiah. The fact that the Messiah would be DIVINE is verified in Heb. 1:3, when it says, "And He [Jesus] is the RADIANCE of HIS [GOD] GLORY and the EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS NATURE , and UPHOLDS ALL things by the WORD of HIS POWER..." This also explains why Jesus said, "...He who has seen Me has seen the Father," (John 14:9). It was because Jesus so precisely REPRESENTED God the Father as His prophesied name reveals. Furthermore, the Oneness Pentecostal people assert that God's name is really "Jesus." But, if that is true, and if Jesus is the Eternal Father as they claim, then why don't they call Jesus "The Eternal Father" as His name? Does it also mean that the mode that God is in right now is that of the Father since His name is "Eternal Father" implying He is always the Father? If that is taken literally, then God is the Eternal Father, and the true person of the Godhead is the Father, not the Son as the Oneness people assert. The Oneness Pentecostal theology is incorrect and improperly describes the true and living God. christianapologetics.org Please note.....although the Son is NOT the Father, God the Father GAVE ALLLLLLLLLLL GLORY TO His Son Jesus. Jesus is NOT our FATHER.(you have to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD ). There is ONLY ONLY ONLY ONE FATHER....NOT TWO........THERE IS ONLY GOD THE FATHER. Isaiah 9:6 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace ----------------- Jesus is the Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, and the Prince of Peace. ==================== but still, that does NOT mean the Son IS the Father... The son is not the father in that sense. Two different beings. Jesus speaks to HIS father, example "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". Jesus has HIS father. Jesus NEVER says OUR father, says HIS father. Jesus is our everlasting father. Two different fathers. ================== |
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, Good link shared there ,MsHarmony.
This (below) from the link shared, especially clarifies a lot: BEFORE Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said the Father ALONE knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until AFTER JESUS' CRUXIFIXION AND RESURRECTION that OMNISCIENCE IS ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS. As I said before, Jesus was cooperating with the limitations of being a man and completed His ministry on this earth. He was THEN GLORIFIED IN HIS RESURRECTION. Yet, He was still a man (cf. Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5). AFTER Jesus' resurrection, He was able to appear and disappear at will. This is not the normal ability of a man. But, it is, apparently, the normal ability of a RESURRECTED AND GLORIFIED MAN. Jesus was different after the resurrection. There had been a change. He was still a man and He KNEW ALL THINGS.....(NOW THAT HE WAS IN HIS GLORIFIED STATE).
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, Good link shared there ,MsHarmony.
This (below) from the link shared, especially clarifies a lot: BEFORE Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection He said the Father ALONE knew the day and hour of His return. It wasn't until AFTER JESUS' CRUXIFIXION AND RESURRECTION that OMNISCIENCE IS ATTRIBUTED TO JESUS. As I said before, Jesus was cooperating with the limitations of being a man and completed His ministry on this earth. He was THEN GLORIFIED IN HIS RESURRECTION. Yet, He was still a man (cf. Col. 2:9; 1 Tim. 2:5). AFTER Jesus' resurrection, He was able to appear and disappear at will. This is not the normal ability of a man. But, it is, apparently, the normal ability of a RESURRECTED AND GLORIFIED MAN. Jesus was different after the resurrection. There had been a change. He was still a man and He KNEW ALL THINGS.....(NOW THAT HE WAS IN HIS GLORIFIED STATE).
As I said before, Jesus was cooperating with the limitations of being a man and completed His ministry on this earth. He was THEN GLORIFIED IN HIS RESURRECTION. What limitations? Matthew 19:26 26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. With God all things are possible. We have absolutely no limitations on this Earth. Know ye not that ye are Gods? John 14:12 12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. Once again, we have absolutely no limitations. The only limitations one may have is the one themselves give them that aren't truly there. |
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Cowboy...you took the above scripture completely OUT
OF CONTEXT. Also..If you still wish to believe that Jesus is our father , and God the Father is our grandpa (even after scriptures were shared showing that this cannot be so ....first of all, God has no grandchildren)...... ...well...carry on. Cowboy....we are not to go by our own interpretation of God's Word........we are to Seek and Ask God for HIS Interpretation THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT Of God's Word. Take care now. |
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Funches, Jesus is NOT GOD THE FATHER ......JESUS IS GOD THE SON... MorningSong...it's not God the son...it's the son of God ...perhaps you have a mild case of Dyslexia also if you insist on saying that Jesus is God the Son then can you present a passage from the bible where "Jesus himself" states this if you can not present such a passage, then you are preaching a false gospel |
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Jesus himself said that that he didn't know the time of judgement day and that only the father knows ...this is Jesus clearly making a statement that he is not The Father and clearly making the statement that he does not have the knowledge of God
which is why he can't be the Father or God because he lacked the knowledge to be either Admittedly... It seems that some Christians claim to know more about Jesus than Jesus did.
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