Jesus NEVER said he IS his father. Jesus is not God incarnated on Earth. Just he said he and his father are one. Jesus is a part of his father and his will is the father's will, thus him and the father are one.

Cowboy...if you had pride in your religion or your God you wouldn't be using definitions that refer to your supreme ruler as being a "Thing" or a "Person"

It's just a definition lol. You're funny Funches, quite entertaining :D

what's even funnier is that you find it funny ...but I will admit that it's a rare opportunity when you catch a believer referring to their God as a "Thing"

but it would explain what was used to impregnant Mary

I never referred to God as a "Thing". It was a DEFINITION funches, DEFINITION. God is a person. Know ye not that ye are gods? He is the ruler of this world. He is the creator of the beings on this world. We are children of God. God isn't some being up on a cloud looking down upon us. God is greater, we are made in his image. When a cat looks in a mirror, what is it's image look like? When a person looks in the mirror, what is their image look like? Would they not be the same being? Would the image not be similar to what the image is of?

you contradict yourself in every post as if you are three seperate people,...."Trinity Syndrome" gone arwy

How is there a contradiction? Where did I say in any of those Jesus was God incarnated? In the definition says a PERSON or thing of supreme value. You're the one that choose to pick THING. So please show us the contradiction.

didn't you claim that Jesus created the World ...but now claim that Jesus is not God incarnated on Earth

Jesus is OUR God, he is not the father though.

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Genesis 2:4

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
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Notice LORD God. Jesus is our lord god.

And besides that, how is the contradiction of what I said? In this particular discussion, who created the world wasn't mentioned.... you really aren't making sense Funches.

you sound totally confused ...

You're the one confused. For the sake of this discussion I'll clearify what was being said by the different "cowboys".

Cowboy 3 = Jesus is not God the father incarnated on Earth
Cowboy 2 = Jesus is our God, but not the father
Cowboy 1 = Jesus is not God the father, he is not his father incarnated on Earth. But Jesus is possibly OUR father, for it was Jesus whom created us as show in the verse

Genesis 2:4

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,

And as I read more and study more, it seems Jesus is the one whom created the world, thus Jesus is our god.

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capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality: as a : the Being perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshipped as creator and ruler of the universe b Christian Science : the incorporeal divine Principle ruling over all as eternal Spirit : infinite Mind
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: a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality
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: a person or thing of supreme value
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: a powerful ruler

Cowboy.....JESUS IS GOD INCARNATE.

HOWEVER.....


Jesus Is
God the SON Incarnate...NOT God the FATHER Incarnate.


Remember now......

There is ONLY ONE GOD ( the three persons in that ONE

Godhead,....still make up only ONE GOD .

(Remember we went thru

this before, Cowby?)



Again.... ...Jesus is God the SON(NOT God the Father) who became Incarnate.



Also, because there is only One God, Jesus is as much God as the Father.

And since there is ONLY... ONE.... GOD, it is ok to simply say,

God became Incarnate.


But in order to prevent further confusuion:

the Father is not the

Son and the Son is not the Father.....


and the Holy Spirit is not the Father and the Father is not the

Holy Spirit....



and Jesus is not the Holy Spirit andf the Holy Spirit is not Jesus....


YET....all three(Father, Son, Holy Spirit make up ONE GOD.



Also....

Before God the Son became Incarnate as Jesus, He was known in

the beginning as the (WORD) .


It was God the WORD Who Actually Created

Everything......yet....again....since there is only ONE GOD, it is

often just said that God created the worlds.....

WHY?

Again....because we serve ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY.


THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD.

Yes Jesus is God the SON lol, I know this. Jesus is OUR God, OUR father, OUR lord. But him and his father are not the same. God is a "title". It's meaning is supreme being. There are many Gods, know ye not that ye are gods?

Take the following verse for instance. Jesus is saying he is our lord, he is our ruler, he is our superior, and he will help us.

Isaiah 41:13

13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.

Interesting you mention this. I've been recently studying this particular thing due to a finding of something I hadn't seen before. In genesis talking about the creation, before 2:4 it only says God created this, and God created that. Then starting at Genesis 2:4 it starts saying LORD God created this and LORD God created that. So obviously it's talking about two different entities or their would have been no need to make different titles for them. And if they are speaking of two different entities they are not one as in one being. They are one with their will, one with their actions, one with their desires, one with their love for us. But yet they are separate entities, separate beings.

Isaiah 41:13

13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.

Definition of god is supreme being. So with that we can gather Jesus is our supreme being.

Here are more scriptures that will help clarify, Cowboy.

Be Blessed Now, Precious.



For there are THREE that bear record in heaven, the

Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE. 1 John 5:7



And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the

glory which I had with thee BEFORE the world was. John 17:5



All men should honour the Son, EVEN AS they honour the Father. He

that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23

But unto the Son He [God] saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and

ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:8



Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham

WAS, I AM. John 8:58


"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was

manifest in the FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels,

preached unto the Gentiles, BELIEVED ON in the world, RECEIVED UP

into glory."
--1 Timothy 3:16


"But unto the SON He saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and

ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy

kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the

foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine

hands.'"
-- Hebrews 1:8, 10



"I and my Father are ONE."
--Jesus Christ, John 10:30



"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery

to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took

upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became

obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
--Philippians 2:5-8



"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE

WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."
--1 John 5:7



"... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD."
--Acts 20:28




"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...
--1 John 3:16



"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS,

receive my spirit."
--Acts 7:59



"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the

government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called

Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The

Prince of Peace."
--Isaiah 9:6



"And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD."
--John 20:28



"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE

WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things

were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was

made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE

WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory,

the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and

truth."
--John 1:1-4, 14



"Philip saith unto him, 'Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth

us.' Jesus saith unto him, 'Have I been so long time with you, and

yet hast thou not known me Philip? HE THAT HATH SEEN ME HATH SEEN

THE FATHER; and how sayest thou then, 'Shew us the Father?''"
-- John 14:8-9



"...CHRIST, who is the IMAGE OF GOD..."
--II Corinthians 4:4



"...glory of GOD in the FACE OF JESUS CHRIST."
--II Corinthians 4:6



"GOD...hath in these last days spoken unto us by his SON...who being

the brightness of his glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON..."

--Hebrews 1:1-3



Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,

and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the

forgiveness of sins:

1:15 WHO IS THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD, the firstborn* of every creature:

1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and

that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones,

or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created

by him, and for him:

1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the

beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might

have the preeminence.


1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

*firstborn: pre-eminence in rank as opposed to priority in time.

This can be shown in passages where the term 'firstborn' is used of

the pre-eminent son who was not the eldest, e.g. Psalm 89:27, where

David is called 'firstborn' although he was actually the youngest son.



"For in [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
-- Colossians 2:9



"...they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is,

GOD WITH US."
--Matthew 1:23


"The voice of him [John the Baptist] that crieth in the wilderness,

PREPARE ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a

highway FOR OUR GOD."
-- Isaiah 40:3


THESE PEOPLE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT JESUS IS GOD AND THOUGHT HE

BLASPHEMED WHEN HE TOLD THE TRUTH.

"The Jews answered [Jesus], saying, For a good work we stone thee

not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest

thyself God."
-- John 10:33

Funch, this is a very, very good point.

It can only be countered with the prophet's prophesies being conditional.

For instance, "if you are very old, then you had or have obeyed your parents." Or "if you are meek, eventually you'll inherit the earth." or "if you are a peace-, cheeze-, or tent-maker, you'll go to heaven. If you are the Maker, you're in heaven already."

But some other prophecies can't be explained, strictly speaking, such as the virgin birth. If some of her ancestors did not screw his wife when his zygote that produced the line of people who eventually ended in Mary was active, WHICH DECISION WAS in the power of the screwer to make, by his own free will whether to screw that day or not, then the prophesy necessatitated that there be no free will in the power of when to make a wife happy by the direct ancestors of Mary.

Cowboy,That is God the Father talking to God the Word(later become flesh).

Notice also the word, "WE" in Genesis.....

as in," We will make man in OUR Image..."


The "we" is the three in one Godhead....yet ONE GOD.





Cowboy ...each person of the Godhead is distinct in its place in

the Godhead....YET EQUAL....

and each person remains that person....YET....all three make up ONE GOD.


God the Father is Father,

God the Son is Son

God the Holy Spirit is Holy Sprit...each with a distinct function.


YET it pleased the Father to give ALL GLORY to the SON.....but

again, The Father isa still to be reverenced as Father.



Even so , we still serve ONLY ONE GOD.

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham

WAS, I AM. John 8:58
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Jesus is the word in flesh and The Word was with God in the beginning.
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"But unto the SON He saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and

ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy

kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the

foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine

hands.'"
-- Hebrews 1:8, 10
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Jesus is our God. He is our superior, God means superior being and Jesus is that. He is our lord.
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I and my Father are ONE.
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They are one, their will is one, their actions are one, their love for the world is one. Jesus did not say he was his father. He did not say they were the same being.
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"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery

to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took

upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became

obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
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Right here is speaks of two separate entities. Speaks of Jesus not feeling it robbery to be equal with God, thus two separate beings. Wouldn't make much sense for this verse to be saying he thought it not robbery to be equal to himself.
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"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE

WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE."
--1 John 5:7
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They are one. They share the same will, they act in harmony as one, they have the same hopes, desires, and love for the world. They are one. A family, they are separate people, but they are one, they are a family.
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... feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with his OWN BLOOD."
--Acts 20:28
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I'll answer this verse with a verse.

Isaiah 41:13
 13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee.

“god” is a superior being. Jesus is superior to us, he is our lord, thus he is our god.
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"And they stoned Stephen, calling upon GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS,

receive my spirit."
--Acts 7:59
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See it's right there. “Calling upon GOD saying Lord Jesus. Why would they be calling upon God saying Lord Jesus if they were not talking to him. And if they were talking to him, they were calling upon God.
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"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the

government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called

Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The

Prince of Peace."
--Isaiah 9:6
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Jesus is OUR father. He is the one that created man. Starting at Genesis it will say LORD God created man, LORD God created woman. Jesus is our lord, God, thus Jesus would be our father. That does not mean Jesus is his father and or the being he was calling out to in times like when he said “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do”. He was speaking to HIS father. Which in secular terms would make that being our Grandpa. Jesus is our father.