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Jesus is OUR father, and Jesus has a father. Two different beings. give a passage from the bible where Jesus said that he was The Father, don't give a passage from a second hand delusional follower as a source...give a passage where Jesus himself claim that he was The Father ... Wouldn't matter if I gave a verse like that or not, it's all the same. I have nothing to prove to you funches, don't know why you feel I do. I have given verse(s) stating Jesus as our father, if you refuse to believe that. You will refuse to believe it even Jesus himself says it. You'll come up with some kind of outrageous reason on why it's not right. Cowboy...give it a rest...everytime someone ask you for evidence that clearly should be in the bible you always start whining about how you don't have to prove anything ......by taking such a stance all you are in fact proving is that you are a liar ...so grow a pair and either find the passage or zip it |
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Edited by
funches
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re stamina : question asked and answered,,, MsHarmony...that you have a belief that God Jesus and the Pope lack the stamina and the desire to represent any one group of people is just another example how you like Cowboy are willling to say anything to fit your own personal agendas.....God is supposdly omnipotent but according to what you just posted he lack stamina and desire to represent a group of humans that he had the desire to create what's the purpose of claiming you have faith or that you are a Christian if you are so willing to run outside the bounderies set by the belief due to shame or your ego Cowboy is claiming that Jesus is The Father and that The Father is not The Father but Grandpa..and you are in her praising him for this instead of trying to set him on the right path as you were commanded by Jesus to do ...unless of course you agree with him that Yahweh is Grandpa perhaps they should re-write the bible for you and Cowboy JOHN 1:1 In The Beginning there was the Word and The Word was with Grandpa God and The Word was Grandpa God alot of ASSUMPTIONS in that one,,,, well those assumptions are from The Gospel of Cowboy .... which you praise him for spreading it ..... I can't believe I'm saying this...but you two jokers need to find Jesus ... no, those assumptions are from the Gospel of Funches, a joker whom I believe thinks he IS Jesus 
after reading your posts it's clear you wouldn't know Jesus if you tripped over him ....which is why for all you know...I could be Jesus exactly, all mighty, all knowing interpreter,,, 
though ID be surprised if Jesus had such a big ego,, MsHarmony...I see you are still providng proof of your lack of knowledge about Jesus....would you actually believe that someone that goes around claiming they were born of Virgin and was the son of a God to have a little ego?..... let's face it...Yahweh, Jesus, Mary and The Holy Spirt all have a God Complex |
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, MsHarmony....this is a debate and the author of that Satan website that you provided a link to can not be asked questions so can you find it within yourself to read that Satan website article and then present it to the forum using your own thoughts ... |
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Funches, that scripture says ,Jesus is Yahweh our Righteousness....or God our Righteousness. Notice it did NOT just say Jesus is Yahweh...yet... JESUS IS STILL JUST AS MUCH God AS Yahweh. MorningSong...The New Testament will not allow for Jesus to be Yahweh..Yahweh knows the time of Judgement Day and Jesus admitted that he didn't know ....it's just simply no way around that without going outside of the bible all I asked is for you to provide any passage from the bible as to why Jesus didn't know the time of judgement day, and you will learn that any passage that you present will in turn, also prove why Jesus isn't God or Yahweh |
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MorningSong
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Funches, Jesus is NOT GOD THE FATHER ......JESUS IS GOD THE SON... MorningSong...it's not God the son...it's the son of God ...perhaps you have a mild case of Dyslexia also if you insist on saying that Jesus is God the Son then can you present a passage from the bible where "Jesus himself" states this if you can not present such a passage, then you are preaching a false gospel God the Father talking to God the Son(Jesus ) : Hebrews 1:8,9 - But TO THE SON He (God) says: “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, is Forever and Ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore GOD, Your God, has ANOINTED YOU with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands." 
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Funches, Jesus is NOT GOD THE FATHER ......JESUS IS GOD THE SON... MorningSong...it's not God the son...it's the son of God ...perhaps you have a mild case of Dyslexia also if you insist on saying that Jesus is God the Son then can you present a passage from the bible where "Jesus himself" states this if you can not present such a passage, then you are preaching a false gospel God the Father talking to God the Son(Jesus ) : Hebrews 1:8,9 - But TO THE SON He (God) says: “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, is Forever and Ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore GOD, Your God, has ANOINTED YOU with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands."
MorningSong...that passage was not directly from God to Jesus...it was from a Prophet that had visions and that same prophet claim that Jesus was "made" and in (Hebrew 1:4) claim that Jesus was only a reflection of God's glory... followers are going to claim that Jesus is everything from God to Captain Kirk ..just like you can find passages where followers claim that Jesus is The Everlasting Father which you disagree with this is why I specifically ask for a passage where "Jesus Himself" claim to be "God The Son" so that there can be no further dispute...if Jesus was God the Son it would be something that Jesus himself would have made clear.....that is the passage to find |
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Funches, Jesus is NOT GOD THE FATHER ......JESUS IS GOD THE SON... MorningSong...it's not God the son...it's the son of God ...perhaps you have a mild case of Dyslexia also if you insist on saying that Jesus is God the Son then can you present a passage from the bible where "Jesus himself" states this if you can not present such a passage, then you are preaching a false gospel God the Father talking to God the Son(Jesus ) : Hebrews 1:8,9 - But TO THE SON He (God) says: “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, is Forever and Ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore GOD, Your God, has ANOINTED YOU with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 10 And: “ You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands."
MorningSong...that passage was not directly from God to Jesus...it was from a Prophet that had visions and that same prophet claim that Jesus was "made" and in (Hebrew 1:4) claim that Jesus was only a reflection of God's glory... followers are going to claim that Jesus is everything from God to Captain Kirk ..just like you can find passages where followers claim that Jesus is The Everlasting Father which you disagree with this is why I specifically ask for a passage where "Jesus Himself" claim to be "God The Son" so that there can be no further dispute...if Jesus was God the Son it would be something that Jesus himself would have made clear.....that is the passage to find Jesus is God, as shown in the following verse. Isaiah 44:6 King James Version (KJV) 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. -------------- The following verse is Jesus himself specifically saying he was the son of God. John 5:18 King James Version (KJV) 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God |
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Edited by
funches
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Tue 08/30/11 11:39 AM
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Jesus is God, as shown in the following verse. Isaiah 44:6 King James Version (KJV) 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Cowboy.. Isaiah is in The Old Testament...and it wasn't Jesus, it was Yahweh talking to Jacob .... The following verse is Jesus himself specifically saying he was the son of God. John 5:18 King James Version (KJV) 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God Cowboy...I'm not disputing that Jesus is the son...you claimed that Jesus was The Father which is why you were supposed to find a passage where "Jesus himself" states that he is The Father |
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re stamina : question asked and answered,,, MsHarmony...that you have a belief that God Jesus and the Pope lack the stamina and the desire to represent any one group of people is just another example how you like Cowboy are willling to say anything to fit your own personal agendas.....God is supposdly omnipotent but according to what you just posted he lack stamina and desire to represent a group of humans that he had the desire to create what's the purpose of claiming you have faith or that you are a Christian if you are so willing to run outside the bounderies set by the belief due to shame or your ego Cowboy is claiming that Jesus is The Father and that The Father is not The Father but Grandpa..and you are in her praising him for this instead of trying to set him on the right path as you were commanded by Jesus to do ...unless of course you agree with him that Yahweh is Grandpa perhaps they should re-write the bible for you and Cowboy JOHN 1:1 In The Beginning there was the Word and The Word was with Grandpa God and The Word was Grandpa God alot of ASSUMPTIONS in that one,,,, well those assumptions are from The Gospel of Cowboy .... which you praise him for spreading it ..... I can't believe I'm saying this...but you two jokers need to find Jesus ... no, those assumptions are from the Gospel of Funches, a joker whom I believe thinks he IS Jesus
after reading your posts it's clear you wouldn't know Jesus if you tripped over him ....which is why for all you know...I could be Jesus exactly, all mighty, all knowing interpreter,,,
though ID be surprised if Jesus had such a big ego,, MsHarmony...I see you are still providng proof of your lack of knowledge about Jesus....would you actually believe that someone that goes around claiming they were born of Virgin and was the son of a God to have a little ego?..... let's face it...Yahweh, Jesus, Mary and The Holy Spirt all have a God Complex I dont recall Jesus making the claim that he was born of a virgin, as to someone calling God FATHER, , I do it all the time so, I guess my answer is 'yes, I would think someone who WENT AROUND volunteering/claiming that they were born of a virgin and the son of God to have an ego' but someone who WENT around performing miracles, giving up all worldly possessions, and preaching Gods word,, I would consider very humble,,,, |
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Jesus is God, as shown in the following verse. Isaiah 44:6 King James Version (KJV) 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Cowboy.. Isaiah is in The Old Testament...and it wasn't Jesus, it was Yahweh talking to Jacob .... The following verse is Jesus himself specifically saying he was the son of God. John 5:18 King James Version (KJV) 18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God Cowboy...I'm not disputing that Jesus is the son...you claimed that Jesus was The Father which is why you were supposed to find a passage where "Jesus himself" states that he is The Father Cowboy.. Isaiah is in The Old Testament...and it wasn't Jesus, it was Yahweh talking to Jacob It was Jesus. Jesus is our LORD. There is no other lord besides Jesus. Jesus has always been and always will be. The new testament isn't the start of Jesus, only the start of Jesus in human form. Before Jesus took the form of a servant, he was The Word. Different tittles for the same being. Jesus has always been our LORD, once again, there is no other lord besides Jesus. Cowboy...I'm not disputing that Jesus is the son...you claimed that Jesus was The Father which is why you were supposed to find a passage where "Jesus himself" states that he is The Father Jesus isn't THE father, he is OUR father. Jesus has a father himself, but Jesus is OUR father. Why should he have to specifically say it? It has already been said that he is our everlasting father. It was prophesied that he was to come, you can either believe he is the one prophesied of or not. Again, it was already said that he was, why would he have to repeat it? |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 08/30/11 11:49 AM
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, MsHarmony....this is a debate and the author of that Satan website that you provided a link to can not be asked questions so can you find it within yourself to read that Satan website article and then present it to the forum using your own thoughts ... peoples 'own thoughts' are what keep this thread both interesting and annoying, because it allows for peoples 'own' personal flaws in interpretation but, my simple two sentence/reading comprehension answer to the main point of that article is this Jesus does not/did not have the MERE physical nature that we have, so those boundaries would not be sufficient in trying to understand how he could be both of God and A God. But the inane curious nature of man and his nature to believe he can always find the answer himself, will keep men trying to compare apples and oranges. |
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It was Jesus. Jesus is our LORD. There is no other lord besides Jesus. . sorry but Yahweh is lord also ...and remember you yourself claim that Jesus and The Father are two seperate beings...which is why you are mistaken when you try to claim that they is no other Lord besides Jesus |
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Why should he have to specifically say it? It has already been said that he is our everlasting father. because Cowboy...if Jesus didn't specifically state that he is the Father...then it's something that his followers are making up |
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It was Jesus. Jesus is our LORD. There is no other lord besides Jesus. . sorry but Yahweh is lord also ...and remember you yourself claim that Jesus and The Father are two seperate beings...which is why you are mistaken when you try to claim that they is no other Lord besides Jesus How is Yahweh lord? Please enlighten us with the verses to support your claim. Jesus is our lord and has always been the lord. Again, please show some evidence of your claim, please. |
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Why should he have to specifically say it? It has already been said that he is our everlasting father. because Cowboy...if Jesus didn't specifically state that he is the Father...then it's something that his followers are making up Isaiah 9:6 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. ---------- Ok, let me rephrase my question, why should Jesus have to REPEAT it? Why is not being told once good enough? |
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, MsHarmony....this is a debate and the author of that Satan website that you provided a link to can not be asked questions so can you find it within yourself to read that Satan website article and then present it to the forum using your own thoughts ... peoples 'own thoughts' are what keep this thread both interesting and annoying, because it allows for peoples 'own' personal flaws in interpretation that is why I asked you to read that article on that Satan website you supplied links to and present it to the forum using your own "personal thoughts" not the thoughts of someone not on the forum that can't be questions about what they posted but, my simple two sentence/reading comprehension answer to the main point of that article is this Jesus does not/did not have the MERE physical nature that we have, so those boundaries would not be sufficient in trying to understand how he could be both of God and A God. But the inane curious nature of man and his nature to believe he can always find the answer himself, will keep men trying to compare apples and oranges. if what you just stated is true then you would be able to prove it by providing passages from the bible instead of hiding behind those Satan website links |
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, MsHarmony....this is a debate and the author of that Satan website that you provided a link to can not be asked questions so can you find it within yourself to read that Satan website article and then present it to the forum using your own thoughts ... peoples 'own thoughts' are what keep this thread both interesting and annoying, because it allows for peoples 'own' personal flaws in interpretation that is why I asked you to read that article on that Satan website you supplied links to and present it to the forum using your own "personal thoughts" not the thoughts of someone not on the forum that can't be questions about what they posted but, my simple two sentence/reading comprehension answer to the main point of that article is this Jesus does not/did not have the MERE physical nature that we have, so those boundaries would not be sufficient in trying to understand how he could be both of God and A God. But the inane curious nature of man and his nature to believe he can always find the answer himself, will keep men trying to compare apples and oranges. if what you just stated is true then you would be able to prove it by providing passages from the bible instead of hiding behind those Satan website links why should I ? Because God,, I Mean Funches, says so,,,lol nah, thats alright,, there are thousands upon thousands of verses in the bible that people constantly nitpick at in these threads to make some personal point about their personal interpretation I think the verse Cowboy posted suffices to show that Jesus was not mere man but had many layers,,,, |
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It was Jesus. Jesus is our LORD. There is no other lord besides Jesus. . sorry but Yahweh is lord also ...and remember you yourself claim that Jesus and The Father are two seperate beings...which is why you are mistaken when you try to claim that they is no other Lord besides Jesus How is Yahweh lord? Please enlighten us with the verses to support your claim. Jesus is our lord and has always been the lord. Again, please show some evidence of your claim, please. perhaps I will provide a verse from The Gospel of Cowboy POSTED BY COWBOY
I looked further into it which I should have done before making my first post. But it seems that our father's name is Yahweh. Yahweh is in the original writings. It is found in the Torah. if Yahweh is the Father then he is also Lord....simple recite The Lord's prayer and you even claim that Yahweh was The Father...when at the same time trying to claim that Jesus is The Father..... see how you constantly contradict yourself in an attempt to be right |
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for those with any interest in trying to understand HOW complex the God Nature is http://carm.org/christianity/christian-doctrine/if-jesus-god-then-why-did-he-not-know-time-his-return I believe men will continue to run in cirles trying to explain it within the MERE confines of human mortality or bioloogy,,, MsHarmony....this is a debate and the author of that Satan website that you provided a link to can not be asked questions so can you find it within yourself to read that Satan website article and then present it to the forum using your own thoughts ... peoples 'own thoughts' are what keep this thread both interesting and annoying, because it allows for peoples 'own' personal flaws in interpretation that is why I asked you to read that article on that Satan website you supplied links to and present it to the forum using your own "personal thoughts" not the thoughts of someone not on the forum that can't be questions about what they posted but, my simple two sentence/reading comprehension answer to the main point of that article is this Jesus does not/did not have the MERE physical nature that we have, so those boundaries would not be sufficient in trying to understand how he could be both of God and A God. But the inane curious nature of man and his nature to believe he can always find the answer himself, will keep men trying to compare apples and oranges. if what you just stated is true then you would be able to prove it by providing passages from the bible instead of hiding behind those Satan website links why should I ? Because God,, I Mean Funches, says so,,,lol well I figure since you were a Christian that you would run to the bible for answers not a Satan Website to conjure up an answer... nah, thats alright,, there are thousands upon thousands of verses in the bible that people constantly nitpick at in these threads to make some personal point about their personal interpretation ye of little faith I think the verse Cowboy posted suffices to show that Jesus was not mere man but had many layers,,,, the same can be said about anyone..... |
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why should I ? Because God,, I Mean Funches, says so,,,lol Meow-wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww MsHarmony...retract those claws |
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