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Topic: The Prophecy
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 05/06/12 11:29 AM
How did God force it upon them? Where do you get your knowledge that neither Abraham nor Sara wanted a child? And where do you get your knowledge God forced it upon them? did God ask Sara if she wanted to have a child? She was bare without child and her and Abraham had tried before without success. So I would say yes. I asked you did God ask Sara if she wanted a child...that would be a yes or no God didn't ask Sarah. Sarah was bare without child, and Sarah and Abraham wanted a child. So God gave them what they wanted. if God didn't ask....is exactly why Sara did not have the "Free Will" to say no You are TOTALLY misunderstanding what Free will is. She had all and entire free will to say no. Her getting empregnated had absolutely nothing to do with free will. It did not force her to an action she wanted to do nor did it restrict her from doing something she wanted to do. That is ALL free will is. Is choice in an action YOU do.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 05/06/12 11:43 AM
Her getting empregnated had absolutely nothing to do with free will. if you believe that 90 years old infertile women dream of having morning sickness and carrying a child in their belly for nine months and popping it out of their womb in agony and all of this takes place without her permission.. you clearly know nothing about women, you clearly don't care about a woman's right to choose and you clearly have no clue as to what "Free Will" is ...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 05/06/12 12:38 PM
Her getting empregnated had absolutely nothing to do with free will. if you believe that 90 years old infertile women dream of having morning sickness and carrying a child in their belly for nine months and popping it out of their womb in agony and all of this takes place without her permission.. you clearly know nothing about women, you clearly don't care about a woman's right to choose and you clearly have no clue as to what "Free Will" is ... 90 yeas old is not that old in the time of mention. People lived for hundreds of years. So what's your point? And again has absolutely NOTHING to do with her "free will". Free will AGAIN after AGAIN pertains PURELY to an action you do or don't do. God did not for her to do an action, nor did he restrict her from doing an action. So AGAIN, has NOTHING to do with free will.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 05/06/12 01:41 PM
Free will AGAIN after AGAIN pertains PURELY to an action you do or don't do. did Sara have the "Free Will" to become fertile? did God ask her did she want to be fertile, did God ask her did she want a Child... according to your religious beliefs....a women don't have the right to choose anyway ...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 05/06/12 03:53 PM
Free will AGAIN after AGAIN pertains PURELY to an action you do or don't do. did Sara have the "Free Will" to become fertile? did God ask her did she want to be fertile, did God ask her did she want a Child... according to your religious beliefs....a women don't have the right to choose anyway ... No, because AGAIN, after AGAIN, after AGAIN, being fertile or not is NOT a choice. It is not an action one takes or doesn't take, has absolutely NOTHING to do with free will. It is NOT an action she took or didn't take. That is ALL free will is, that's IT. And one more time, it does not matter one bit if she wanted to get pregnant or not, fertility is not a woman's choice. You think women that can't have kids today all chose to be that way? Even women that were born that way? Did they just wake up one morning and say "Ah, I don't think I want to ever have a kid my whole life. I don't like the little poopybutted bratts look fun." And puff they magically couldn't have kids? No funches lol.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sun 05/06/12 04:09 PM Edited by funches on Sun 05/06/12 04:11 PM
wow...so you actually believe that impregnating a 90 year old infertile woman without her permission is not violating her supposed "Free Will"? some scary beliefs you have there my friend

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sun 05/06/12 04:30 PM
wow...so you actually believe that impregnating a 90 year old infertile woman without her permission is not violating her supposed "Free Will"? some scary beliefs you have there my friend It was without her permission you claim? So please funches, enlighten us all where Marry's free will was violated. Marry even specifically said "be it unto me according to thy word". Luke 1:31 and 38 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus. 38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 05/07/12 05:05 AM Edited by funches on Mon 05/07/12 05:07 AM
It was without her permission you claim? POSTED BY COWBOY God didn't ask Sarah see even you admitted that God didn't ask Sara God don't need no stinking permission ... and that's why "Free Will" is a religious delusion

Ladywind7 Joined Sun 04/08/12 Posts: 7833	Mon 05/07/12 05:42 AM
Wow, u guys! I began to read the beginning of the thread, then decided to come to the end, So has the OP's question been answered or not? It looks to me that it has not? Peace.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 05/07/12 09:17 AM
It was without her permission you claim? POSTED BY COWBOY God didn't ask Sarah see even you admitted that God didn't ask Sara God don't need no stinking permission ... and that's why "Free Will" is a religious delusion ' Funches, again if you're going to quote someone's post. Quote the ENTIRE thing, not just a bit of it, then take it out ot context to just be disruptive. God didn't have to "ask" because it wasn't something against her will as the following shows. She specifically said "be it unto me according to thy word". So she was OBVIOUSLY ok with it, therefore no reason to ask. Didn't take her free will away, because again she said "be it unto me your will", or in lamens terms she said "ok". 38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Mon 05/07/12 11:54 AM
God commanded Abraham to have a child with Sara his half-sister...that's incest

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Mon 05/07/12 07:20 PM
God commanded Abraham to have a child with Sara his half-sister...that's incest No, incest involves closely related family members... directly brother, sister, mom, dad. Abraham and Sara were only related because their dad was the same. They were not directly brother/sister, so no, there was no insest.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 05/08/12 06:00 AM Edited by funches on Tue 05/08/12 06:02 AM
God commanded Abraham to have a child with Sara his half-sister...that's incest No, incest involves closely related family members... directly brother, sister, mom, dad. Abraham and Sara were only related because their dad was the same. They were not directly brother/sister, so no, there was no insest. wow Cowboy...so you believe that it's not incest to have sex with your Half-Sister and that a half-sister is not a close relative? I see that you find your dates at The Family Reunion

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 05/08/12 08:43 AM
God commanded Abraham to have a child with Sara his half-sister...that's incest No, incest involves closely related family members... directly brother, sister, mom, dad. Abraham and Sara were only related because their dad was the same. They were not directly brother/sister, so no, there was no insest. wow Cowboy...so you believe that it's not incest to have sex with your Half-Sister and that a half-sister is not a close relative? I see that you find your dates at The Family Reunion It's not incest. Didn't say I practice that, why so much with the personal attacks Funches?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 05/08/12 09:24 AM
It's not incest. Didn't say I practice that, why so much with the personal attacks Funches? if your beliefs are that it's ok to have sex with your half-sister then how is it a personal attack perhaps you haven't ran into a half-sister yet to practice it with.....but if you met a half-sister at your family reunion you would see nothing wrong in marrying her and having children with her...did I stated anything that wasn't true or wasn't possible according to your beliefs?? also a half-sister would be included as a member in your family tree and that is why it's incest and this is why God commanding Abraham to have a child with his half-sister Sara is why God was thrusting Man into sin ...even you still believe that it's ok to have sex with relatives

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 05/08/12 09:30 AM
It's not incest. Didn't say I practice that, why so much with the personal attacks Funches? if your beliefs are that it's ok to have sex with your half-sister then how is it a personal attack perhaps you haven't ran into a half-sister yet to practice it with.....but if you met a half-sister at your family reunion you would see nothing wrong in marrying her and having children with her...did I stated anything that wasn't true or wasn't possible according to your beliefs?? also a half-sister would be included as a member in your family tree and that is why it's incest and this is why God commanding Abraham to have a child with his half-sister Sara is why God was thrusting Man into sin ...even you still believe that it's ok to have sex with relatives Well for one. God doesn't have a law or even say anything about "incest". God speaks against sleeping with your sister, brother, mother, or father. Mother/Father is more then just a title. Your step parent is never your mother/father. Just by law they are, not by blood.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 05/08/12 09:52 AM
Well for one. God doesn't have a law or even say anything about "incest". God speaks against sleeping with your sister, brother, mother, or father. so according to your beliefs your God deemed it ok to have sex with your aunt and grandmother?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 05/08/12 11:16 AM
Mother/Father is more then just a title. Your step parent is never your mother/father. Just by law they are, not by blood. so according to you it's ok for Abraham to have sex and children with his half-sister's Mother because Abraham and Sara's mother are not by law of the same blood ....but as you see it still constitutes as being incest since they are of the same family tree Cowboy it appears that no matter how you try to spin it...your beliefs and your God deem that it's ok to commit incest

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Tue 05/08/12 11:33 AM
Mother/Father is more then just a title. Your step parent is never your mother/father. Just by law they are, not by blood. so according to you it's ok for Abraham to have sex and children with his half-sister's Mother because Abraham and Sara's mother are not by law of the same blood ....but as you see it still constitutes as being incest since they are of the same family tree Cowboy it appears that no matter how you try to spin it...your beliefs and your God deem that it's ok to commit incest Incorrect. Incest only is with your CLOSE relatives, this will include without fail a BLOOD relative. If someone is just a step parent/child they are only related ON PAPER. They are not of the same blood, thus is NOT incest.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Tue 05/08/12 11:41 AM
Incorrect. Incest only is with your CLOSE relatives, this will include without fail a BLOOD relative. Sara was the half sister of Abraham...do you not regard a half-sister as being a blood relative?