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there seems to be some dispute as to what a prophecy is... whether they are logical, magical or takes aways 'Free Will" in the Abrahamic Religions a prophecy would be knowledge of the future handed down by God of an event which can not be altered by anyone other than God to not take place... since the prophecy has been deemed by God to take place, then it therefore must and shall take place and therefore automatically takes away "Free Will" due to the intervention of God shifting and manipulating events in order for the prophecy to take place.. and this is why in religion there is no "Free Will"....and why the term prophecy only applies to religion because it is of knowledge of the future given by God or a God but once God is taken out the equation then what does that imply about predicting the future ...would it just mean that predicting the future is not magical or any special feat but just the ability to deduce a future event due to perceiving consciously or subconsciously occurrences in the everyday happenstance of life and subconsciously processing this information to deduce a logical conclusion or assumption or to simply put it...an educated guess if you believe that biblical prophecy can take place without taking away "Free Will" then tell of a biblical prophecy and explain why it didn't wouldn't or couldn't take away anyone "Free Will" if you believe in ESP or fortune telling prophets and prophetesses or believe you have the ability to predict a future event through dreams then reveal an event that you believe will take place if you believe that predictions are just logical deductions then tell of a future event but in this case explain logically why it will take place this thread can be used as a time capsule to see if any predictions are accurate or come True and to see if anyone has this power or ability since the prophecy has been deemed by God to take place, then it therefore must and shall take place and therefore automatically takes away "Free Will" due to the intervention of God shifting and manipulating events in order for the prophecy to take place.. and this is why in religion there is no "Free Will"....and why the term prophecy only applies to religion because it is of knowledge of the future given by God or a God How in the world does that automatically take away free will? Say you "make a prophecy" that your neighbour will get up around 6 am like he normally does, go out to get the paper off the front porch, then sit on a chair on his porch and read his paper till 7:30, then go inside. Have you now taken away his free will when it does this the next morning? A prophecy is purely a foreseen action and or event. Does not mean the one making the prophecy caused it to happen or even instigated it or helped it to happen. Just purely seen it to happen in the future. So please, once again explain how this would be God taking away any free will of anyone. If you states that your neighbor will get up at 6 am because that is the time that he normally gets up then it's called "Common Sense" not Prophecy .... it's about the same as you saying that the Sun normally sets at Sunset and then be surprise if it does Mary got pregnant because God's intervention took away her "Free Will" and cause her to get pregnant or are you going to say that Mary normally let God get her pregnant at 6 am How does God impregnating marry take away her free will though? Obviously it was her will to carry Jesus. Luke 1:38 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. This passage shows the will of Marry. And her will was not to rebel, or refuse barring Jesus. She was willing to carry him. |
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How does God impregnating marry take away her free will though? Obviously it was her will to carry Jesus. Luke 1:38 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. This passage shows the will of Marry. And her will was not to rebel, or refuse barring Jesus. She was willing to carry him. because as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God ...ask Adam and Eve what happen to them when they did so |
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How does God impregnating marry take away her free will though? Obviously it was her will to carry Jesus. Luke 1:38 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. This passage shows the will of Marry. And her will was not to rebel, or refuse barring Jesus. She was willing to carry him. because as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God ...ask Adam and Eve what happen to them when they did so Again, what are you talking about? She specifically said she wanted to carry the baby. She said "be it unto me according to thy word". as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. |
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Again, what are you talking about? She specifically said she wanted to carry the baby. She said "be it unto me according to thy word". God didn't ask her...he told her ...he said unto you a child will be born...she had no choice in the matter ....and what if Mary said "Hell No"...she would have still had the baby and suffered consequences for turning down a direct command from God .....this is why any command from God takes away "Free Will" |
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funches
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Thu 08/11/11 12:13 PM
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as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. Cowboy...thanks for finally acknowledging that there is no "Free Will" |
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Again, what are you talking about? She specifically said she wanted to carry the baby. She said "be it unto me according to thy word". God didn't ask her...he told her ...he said unto you a child will be born...she had no choice in the matter ....and what if Mary said "Hell No"...she would have still had the baby and suffered consequences for turning down a direct command from God .....this is why any command from God takes away "Free Will" But she still have the choice. She could have aborted the baby, she could have left the baby in a barn after having it, she could have done many of things. She willingly carried it. Again, all free will is, is a choice to do or not do. So she was impregnated by God, again she could have aborted the child, left the child somewhere to die after birth, or anything she wished. |
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as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. Cowboy...thanks for finally acknowledging that there is no "Free Will" No you still have free will, cause you can still choose to be obedient or choose not to. You still have the choice. Yes their are consequences for the actions taken, but nevertheless the choice is still there. |
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Again, what are you talking about? She specifically said she wanted to carry the baby. She said "be it unto me according to thy word". God didn't ask her...he told her ...he said unto you a child will be born...she had no choice in the matter ....and what if Mary said "Hell No"...she would have still had the baby and suffered consequences for turning down a direct command from God .....this is why any command from God takes away "Free Will" But she still have the choice. She could have aborted the baby, she could have left the baby in a barn after having it, she could have done many of things. She willingly carried it. Again, all free will is, is a choice to do or not do. So she was impregnated by God, again she could have aborted the child, left the child somewhere to die after birth, or anything she wished. her "Free Will" was taken the moment she was impregnanted ... |
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as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. Cowboy...thanks for finally acknowledging that there is no "Free Will" No you still have free will, cause you can still choose to be obedient or choose not to. You still have the choice. Yes their are consequences for the actions taken, but nevertheless the choice is still there. where there are consequences, there is no "Free Will" do God have any consequences...or can God do anything without any consequences |
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Again, what are you talking about? She specifically said she wanted to carry the baby. She said "be it unto me according to thy word". God didn't ask her...he told her ...he said unto you a child will be born...she had no choice in the matter ....and what if Mary said "Hell No"...she would have still had the baby and suffered consequences for turning down a direct command from God .....this is why any command from God takes away "Free Will" But she still have the choice. She could have aborted the baby, she could have left the baby in a barn after having it, she could have done many of things. She willingly carried it. Again, all free will is, is a choice to do or not do. So she was impregnated by God, again she could have aborted the child, left the child somewhere to die after birth, or anything she wished. her "Free Will" was taken the moment she was impregnanted ... How? She still could have went on with life as any other pregnant woman. She could have raised the child if she wanted to, she could have left the baby to die in a field. And besides all that, it didn't take her free will away, for she was willing to have the child. Luke 1:38 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. She said right there for it to go ahead and happen. |
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as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. Cowboy...thanks for finally acknowledging that there is no "Free Will" No you still have free will, cause you can still choose to be obedient or choose not to. You still have the choice. Yes their are consequences for the actions taken, but nevertheless the choice is still there. where there are consequences, there is no "Free Will" do God have any consequences...or can God do anything without any consequences ??? Of course theirs consequences with free will. There's consequences with choice, there's consequence with actions. That is all free will is, is the ability to choose what to do. Again, there are consequences to actions. With your way of thinking America isn't a "free" country. We have no freedom for their are laws restricting what we can do. Just because someone has a choice, can do what they want, doesn't mean they should or have the privilege of doing so. Only means they have the ability to do it if they wished to do it. |
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Again, what are you talking about? She specifically said she wanted to carry the baby. She said "be it unto me according to thy word". God didn't ask her...he told her ...he said unto you a child will be born...she had no choice in the matter ....and what if Mary said "Hell No"...she would have still had the baby and suffered consequences for turning down a direct command from God .....this is why any command from God takes away "Free Will" But she still have the choice. She could have aborted the baby, she could have left the baby in a barn after having it, she could have done many of things. She willingly carried it. Again, all free will is, is a choice to do or not do. So she was impregnated by God, again she could have aborted the child, left the child somewhere to die after birth, or anything she wished. her "Free Will" was taken the moment she was impregnanted ... How? She still could have went on with life as any other pregnant woman. She could have raised the child if she wanted to, she could have left the baby to die in a field. And besides all that, it didn't take her free will away, for she was willing to have the child. Luke 1:38 38And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her. She said right there for it to go ahead and happen. Cowboy...isn't the baby supposedly the son of God.....would God allow for the baby to die if he gave a prophecy that the baby will be born |
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as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. Cowboy...thanks for finally acknowledging that there is no "Free Will" No you still have free will, cause you can still choose to be obedient or choose not to. You still have the choice. Yes their are consequences for the actions taken, but nevertheless the choice is still there. where there are consequences, there is no "Free Will" do God have any consequences...or can God do anything without any consequences ??? Of course theirs consequences with free will. There's consequences with choice, there's consequence with actions. That is all free will is, is the ability to choose what to do. Again, there are consequences to actions. With your way of thinking America isn't a "free" country. We have no freedom for their are laws restricting what we can do. Just because someone has a choice, can do what they want, doesn't mean they should or have the privilege of doing so. Only means they have the ability to do it if they wished to do it. "Free Will" is something God has....all you can do is make a decision but that doesn't mean that you have the Will to carry out that decision or the will to even try ... |
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Hey funches!
Where ya been? 
You pickin' on innocent people again, making them make sense of their beliefs? They don't like that ya know. 
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as a believer you are not allowed to disobey a direct command or request from God Correction, no one can. Cowboy...thanks for finally acknowledging that there is no "Free Will" No you still have free will, cause you can still choose to be obedient or choose not to. You still have the choice. Yes their are consequences for the actions taken, but nevertheless the choice is still there. where there are consequences, there is no "Free Will" do God have any consequences...or can God do anything without any consequences ??? Of course theirs consequences with free will. There's consequences with choice, there's consequence with actions. That is all free will is, is the ability to choose what to do. Again, there are consequences to actions. With your way of thinking America isn't a "free" country. We have no freedom for their are laws restricting what we can do. Just because someone has a choice, can do what they want, doesn't mean they should or have the privilege of doing so. Only means they have the ability to do it if they wished to do it. "Free Will" is something God has....all you can do is make a decision but that doesn't mean that you have the Will to carry out that decision or the will to even try ... Us having the ability to make the decision is what free will is. The ability to choose, the ability to make a choice. What did you think free will was? |
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Hey funches! Where ya been?
You pickin' on innocent people again, making them make sense of their beliefs? They don't like that ya know.
Hey Creative soul ..long time no type but anyway these people are not innocent...they're sinners |
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Us having the ability to make the decision is what free will is. The ability to choose, the ability to make a choice. What did you think free will was? Cowboy ...make the decision to physically float in the air and see if you have the "Free Will" or even the "Will" to make it happen without using any other means but your mind ... do you think that your God would have any problems doing it? as long as you are under the jurisdiction of the outside forces which are (the laws of physics, the laws of society and/or the laws of a God if you believe in them) then you have no "Free Will" ..you only have the choice to choose from a limited set of options and at any moment that choice or those options can be taken away |
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if God tells Mary that she will have a child and Mary makes the decision that she do not want to get pregnant out of wedlock
exactly how can Mary use her "Free Will" not to get pregnant by God 1) hold her breath 2) put on a Chastity Belt 3) sprinkle unholy water on her forbidden fruit 4) wear Granny Panties and this is why just because one can make a decision doesn't mean that they have the "Will" to enforce or carry out that decision this is why "Free Will" for those other than God is a myth |
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Us having the ability to make the decision is what free will is. The ability to choose, the ability to make a choice. What did you think free will was? Cowboy ...make the decision to physically float in the air and see if you have the "Free Will" or even the "Will" to make it happen without using any other means but your mind ... do you think that your God would have any problems doing it? as long as you are under the jurisdiction of the outside forces which are (the laws of physics, the laws of society and/or the laws of a God if you believe in them) then you have no "Free Will" ..you only have the choice to choose from a limited set of options and at any moment that choice or those options can be taken away Now you're just talking senseless. Free will = the ability to choose. You choose what you do through the day's of your life. You choose where you go, what you do, how you do it. |
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if God tells Mary that she will have a child and Mary makes the decision that she do not want to get pregnant out of wedlock exactly how can Mary use her "Free Will" not to get pregnant by God 1) hold her breath 2) put on a Chastity Belt 3) sprinkle unholy water on her forbidden fruit 4) wear Granny Panties and this is why just because one can make a decision doesn't mean that they have the "Will" to enforce or carry out that decision this is why "Free Will" for those other than God is a myth Not true. I have already shown that Marry was willing. She even said if it be the will, let it be done, again no free will was taken away. |
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