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Topic: The Prophecy
funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 08/26/11 02:37 PM
You bump your head? lol I'm not under any water, nor am I drowning. But IF I was, that someone would not be taking away my free will. Free will only pertains to actions YOU take. You still have the ability to try and escape or try not to drown. You don't HAVE to drown unless you just allow them to drown you. so when someone drowns a person, the person allowed them to drown them? ... sure sound like a case of blaming the victim ....

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 08/26/11 07:07 PM
You bump your head? lol I'm not under any water, nor am I drowning. But IF I was, that someone would not be taking away my free will. Free will only pertains to actions YOU take. You still have the ability to try and escape or try not to drown. You don't HAVE to drown unless you just allow them to drown you. so when someone drowns a person, the person allowed them to drown them? ... sure sound like a case of blaming the victim .... No, that's not what I said. But the person drowning another isn't taking away any free will. They have the free will to fight back. Free will doesn't mean you choose when you live or die. Free will is an ACTION. Living or dying is not an "action" less of course one wishes to commit suicide. Outside of that, dying is not an "action" someone takes. You really take things out in left field to the extremes funches, you really do.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 06:05 AM Edited by funches on Sat 08/27/11 06:12 AM
No, that's not what I said. But the person drowning another isn't taking away any free will. They have the free will to fight back. Free will doesn't mean you choose when you live or die. Free will is an ACTION. Living or dying is not an "action" less of course one wishes to commit suicide. Outside of that, dying is not an "action" someone takes. You really take things out in left field to the extremes funches, you really do. I have to take things out in left field because out in left field seem to be where your mind is...it's pretty clear that you resort to lying to fit your agenda FOR INSTANCE you claim that living and dying is not an action ....perhaps they are not actions for a ghost in heaven....but clearly both Living and Dying are actions when it pertains to Man ... as thy live are thee heart beat not an action? as thee lay dying is thee not performing an action? you tend to say things that aren't true to keep from admitting truth out of the deception of shame, I think they call it preaching a false gospel but anyway the point is just like no one could use their "Free Will" to stop God from drowning them in the "Great Flood"...Mary could not use her "Free Will" to stop her impregnantion ...simple because "Free WIll" may exist for Gods but not for their creations

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 07:32 AM
No, that's not what I said. But the person drowning another isn't taking away any free will. They have the free will to fight back. Free will doesn't mean you choose when you live or die. Free will is an ACTION. Living or dying is not an "action" less of course one wishes to commit suicide. Outside of that, dying is not an "action" someone takes. You really take things out in left field to the extremes funches, you really do. I have to take things out in left field because out in left field seem to be where your mind is...it's pretty clear that you resort to lying to fit your agenda FOR INSTANCE you claim that living and dying is not an action ....perhaps they are not actions for a ghost in heaven....but clearly both Living and Dying are actions when it pertains to Man ... as thy live are thee heart beat not an action? as thee lay dying is thee not performing an action? you tend to say things that aren't true to keep from admitting truth out of the deception of shame, I think they call it preaching a false gospel but anyway the point is just like no one could use their "Free Will" to stop God from drowning them in the "Great Flood"...Mary could not use her "Free Will" to stop her impregnantion ...simple because "Free WIll" may exist for Gods but not for their creations as thy live are thee heart beat not an action? as thee lay dying is thee not performing an action? Did you choose when to be born? No, that's what I was getting at. You did not choose when to be born, thus it is not an action YOU did. And again, yes if someone kills them self their death would be an action. But outside of suicide people do not choose when to die, thus not an action they take. Yes both things are an action in general, but they are not an action you willingly take.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 09:11 AM Edited by funches on Sat 08/27/11 09:17 AM
Did you choose when to be born? No, that's what I was getting at. You did not choose when to be born, thus it is not an action YOU did. Cowboy....did Jesus also not take any actions to be born? see how you are preaching against your religious beliefs

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 09:44 AM
Did you choose when to be born? No, that's what I was getting at. You did not choose when to be born, thus it is not an action YOU did. Cowboy....did Jesus also not take any actions to be born? see how you are preaching against your religious beliefs Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). What does Jesus being born have ANYTHING to do with you being born? The two are separate incidents, separate persons, separate everything. The two have absolutely nothing to do with one another. There is not one action YOU took to be born. If I'm ignorant to a possible action YOU took to be born, please enlighten me.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 09:56 AM Edited by funches on Sat 08/27/11 10:04 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:02 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 10:03 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:10 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:15 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. Matthew 6:10 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Sounds like he was in agreement with anything God our father wanted.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 10:21 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. you did insinuate it when you claimed that Jesus took no actions to be born ... so again...did Jesus agree for this to take place?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:24 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. you did insinuate it when you claimed that Jesus took no actions to be born ... so again...did Jesus agree for this to take place? Matthew 6:10 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Sounds like he was in agreement with anything God our father wanted.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:28 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. you did insinuate it when you claimed that Jesus took no actions to be born ... so again...did Jesus agree for this to take place? Matthew 6:10 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Sounds like he was in agreement with anything God our father wanted. I insinuated nothing. Why you so focused on one doing their own will? Can one not be humble and do the will of others? Why be prideful in oneself? Philippians 2:7 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men Notice he TOOK upon him the form of a servant. It wasn't forced, he TOOK it.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 10:38 AM Edited by funches on Sat 08/27/11 10:39 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. you did insinuate it when you claimed that Jesus took no actions to be born ... so again...did Jesus agree for this to take place? Matthew 6:10 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Sounds like he was in agreement with anything God our father wanted. nope that game won't work...Matthew 6:10 was after Jesus was born....we are talking about before Jesus was born so again...did Jesus take an action and agree to be born just answer truthfully.....er....if you can

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:39 AM
Not preaching against anything. No Jesus didn't take any actions to be born, the father did the action(s). are you saying that Jesus lack the power to do it himself I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. are you saying that Jesus did not agree for this to take place? I did not say that, nor did I insinuate it. you did insinuate it when you claimed that Jesus took no actions to be born ... so again...did Jesus agree for this to take place? Matthew 6:10 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Sounds like he was in agreement with anything God our father wanted. nope that game won't work...Matthew 6:10 was after Jesus was born....we are talking about before Jesus was born so again...did Jesus take an action and agree to be born just answer truthfully.....er....if you can I insinuated nothing. Why you so focused on one doing their own will? Can one not be humble and do the will of others? Why be prideful in oneself? Philippians 2:7 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men Notice he TOOK upon him the form of a servant. It wasn't forced, he TOOK it.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 10:43 AM Edited by funches on Sat 08/27/11 10:45 AM
I insinuated nothing. Why you so focused on one doing their own will? Can one not be humble and do the will of others? Why be prideful in oneself? Philippians 2:7 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men Notice he TOOK upon him the form of a servant. It wasn't forced, he TOOK it. Philippians...took place after Jesus popped out of the womb.....can you try and focus on the time before Mary became Pregnant

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 10:51 AM
I insinuated nothing. Why you so focused on one doing their own will? Can one not be humble and do the will of others? Why be prideful in oneself? Philippians 2:7 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men Notice he TOOK upon him the form of a servant. It wasn't forced, he TOOK it. Philippians...took place after Jesus popped out of the womb.....can you try and focus on the time before Mary became Pregnant I am focused lol. You're just not paying attention Matthew 6:10 10Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. This verse CLEARLY states for our father's will to be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. He was CLEARLY in accordance to doing the will of the father.So with that being said, he CLEARLY was ok with coming to Earth, Jesus wanted the Father's will to be done on Earth AS IT IS DONE IN HEAVEN.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Sat 08/27/11 10:58 AM Edited by funches on Sat 08/27/11 10:59 AM
I insinuated nothing. Why you so focused on one doing their own will? Can one not be humble and do the will of others? Why be prideful in oneself? Cowboy...perhaps it's you that have no pride in your religious beliefs?..... first you claim that Jesus is God, but in the same breath try to claim that Jesus took no actions to be born that it was the Father but yet you even try to claim that Jesus is the father...which would mean that he did take actions to be born you even tried to claim that there were two Fathers it would constitute as being a Miracle that a lightning bolt haven't stuck you in the apse by now two more such miracles and you can apply for sainthood

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Sat 08/27/11 11:14 AM
I insinuated nothing. Why you so focused on one doing their own will? Can one not be humble and do the will of others? Why be prideful in oneself? Cowboy...perhaps it's you that have no pride in your religious beliefs?..... first you claim that Jesus is God, but in the same breath try to claim that Jesus took no actions to be born that it was the Father but yet you even try to claim that Jesus is the father...which would mean that he did take actions to be born you even tried to claim that there were two Fathers it would constitute as being a Miracle that a lightning bolt haven't stuck you in the apse by now two more such miracles and you can apply for sainthood I have much pride in my religious beliefs. Jesus is OUR god. Maybe you don't know what god means. Third definition of god is as follows "A person or thing of supreme value." The 4th is as follows "A powerful ruler". Colossians 3:17 17And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. Jesus is our lord, which would mean Jesus is the supreme being, Jesus is our powerful ruler. There is but one father. The father of Jesus. Jesus is our God, Jesus is our king. And about Jesus being father is the following verses. --------- John 1 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ---------- Notice the Word was God. ---------- John 1:14 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ----------- The Father made the Word flesh. You and your son(s) and or possible future son are ONE. You could not deny your son was a part of you and you a part of your son. That doesn't mean you are your son nor does it mean your son is you. Nor does this mean Jesus is his father, nor his father him.