That still amounts to nothing less than pure arrogance on the part of the religious person. They are judging themselves to be "listening to God", whilst judging agnostics to be "not listening to God".

It's still a psychological judgment being made by the religious person. Even if they themselves are not even aware of the fact that they are indeed doing this.

They will give endless excuses and denials of this, but in the end, none of their excuse are valid. They are indeed viewing themselves to be "following God" whilst viewing others to be at least "Ignorant of God", if not "Blatantly Rebellious against God". And therefore they have put themselves up on a pedestal in their own mind.

They are neither "ignorant" nor "rebellious", which is hogwash.

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In fact, just like the Biblical authors have suggested, you can tell these people by their works. And if their "works" are to suggest, or imply in any way to any one that they "Know the mind of God" better than another person, then they are indeed being extremely arrogant.

Especially when they are clearly using the whole thing as a facade to pretend that God supports their ignorance and bigotries and does not support the views of the people they argue with.

It's nothing but an ego-trap that their subconscious mind uses to convince them that they are superior to other people in that they represent what's "Holy and Divine" whilst the other people don't.

It's senseless to pretend that God supports your view just because you "claim" to believe in God, whilst demanding that people who do not believe in your picture of God are wrong.

This is especially oblivious of people who spend most of their time on public internet forums trying to convince other people that their picture of God is correct, and everyone else is wrong.

Like I say, their motivation is nakedly revealed by their own arrogant action.

That still amounts to nothing less than pure arrogance on the part of the religious person. They are judging themselves to be "listening to God", whilst judging agnostics to be "not listening to God".

That still amounts to nothing less than pure arrogance on the part of the religious person. They are judging themselves to be "listening to God", whilst judging agnostics to be "not listening to God".

It's still a psychological judgment being made by the religious person. Even if they themselves are not even aware of the fact that they are indeed doing this.

They will give endless excuses and denials of this, but in the end, none of their excuse are valid. They are indeed viewing themselves to be "following God" whilst viewing others to be at least "Ignorant of God", if not "Blatantly Rebellious against God". And therefore they have put themselves up on a pedestal in their own mind.

They are neither "ignorant" nor "rebellious", which is hogwash.

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In fact, just like the Biblical authors have suggested, you can tell these people by their works. And if their "works" are to suggest, or imply in any way to any one that they "Know the mind of God" better than another person, then they are indeed being extremely arrogant.

Especially when they are clearly using the whole thing as a facade to pretend that God supports their ignorance and bigotries and does not support the views of the people they argue with.

It's nothing but an ego-trap that their subconscious mind uses to convince them that they are superior to other people in that they represent what's "Holy and Divine" whilst the other people don't.

It's senseless to pretend that God supports your view just because you "claim" to believe in God, whilst demanding that people who do not believe in your picture of God are wrong.

This is especially oblivious of people who spend most of their time on public internet forums trying to convince other people that their picture of God is correct, and everyone else is wrong.

Like I say, their motivation is nakedly revealed by their own arrogant action.

It's senseless to pretend that God supports your view just because you "claim" to believe in God, whilst demanding that people who do not believe in your picture of God are wrong.

This is especially oblivious of people who spend most of their time on public internet forums trying to convince other people that their picture of God is correct, and everyone else is wrong. ohwell

I criticized no one. I said not one person or "being" was horrible, I did not say they were anything of that. I made no judgment on anyone/anything. Or maybe I don't know what exactly you are referring to, care to elaborate on where I criticized Satan and his legions? Care to show and explain how it is criticizing?

So if someone claims to love you, they are required to give you something(s)?

Cowboy wrote:

Not one's criticizing or abusing anyone my friend. We're just here having a civil discussion. If my beliefs do not go with yours, that's not abusing anyone. That is disagreeing with one another. I have not once said you weren't going to get through the gates of Heaven, I have not once said anything about your eternity, I have not once said anything particularly about YOUR relation with our father.

Cowboy 3..I didn't say that you critized anyone ...I said that Cowboy 1 was the one that was doing the criticisms...ask Cowboy 1 to pick out the positive things he said about Satan and his legion in his post ...if Cowboy 1 can not find any positive things then that should be proof to you that he has been contradicting and lying to you



yes...I believe they call it respect ....if you claim to love someone but can't or refuse to give them respect...then how is it Love and not abuse

Cowboy 3..I didn't say that you critized anyone ...I said that Cowboy 1 was the one that was doing the criticisms

yes...I believe they call it respect ....if you claim to love someone but can't or refuse to give them respect...then how is it Love and not abuse

That's not true Cowboy. You constantly preach that the only way to God is by recognizing Jesus as Lord and accepting him as your savior.

And you constantly post every possible verse you can find to support the idea that Jesus will deny everyone who does not accept your views on this.

I've posted counter-verses for all your negative judgmental claims.

You are out to use the Hebrew scriptures and Jesus as your own personal marionette doll, you demand and I mean DEMAND that only your interpretations of those scriptures represent the "Mind of God" and you BELITTLE all other views.

You use the concept of Jesus to condemn.

You're a condemnation preacher whether you realize it or not.

Here's your basic stance, "Either worship my own personal ignorance, prejudices, and religious bigotries, or Jesus will deny you and you will be condemned because you can only get to the father through Jesus, and you can only get to Jesus THROUGH ME!"



This is what lures some people into becoming Paper Popes. They view Jesus as the middle-man between humans and God, and now they are trying to muscle in on some of the action and start demanding that they are now the middle-man between humanity and Jesus.

That's all you're doing Cowboy. You're just demanding that if people don't agree with you personal views and interpretations of Hebrew scriptures, then they are also in disagreement with Jesus!

And in this way you are basically claiming that if someone disagrees with you, they are disagreeing with GOD HIMSELF.

That's as arrogant as arrogance can be Cowboy.

No other philosophy or political institution on Planet Earth can boast of such arrogance as the arrogance carried by fundamental religious zealots who constantly claim that their views and opinions are indeed the views and opinions of GOD HIMSELF.

When it gets that point Cowboy, it becomes unhealthy psychosis.

You can tell the false prophets by their undying arrogance.

Not condemning anyone. Dude, chill out lol. We're all just sharing our different personal beliefs. I'm not condemning anyone, nor do I do any preaching lol. If I do preaching about Jesus being the way, please stop your preaching of Jesus not being the way, this isn't a place for preaching.

You speak of contradictions that you think are in the bible eh? Well you speak on contradictions lol

You said You didn't say I criticized anyone, then you said I was doing criticisms. Yet you failed at showing where these criticisms where. I can say you have a big mole the size of a golf ball all I want, but it would hold no power or been seen as truth till I could show this. So please, you claim I'm criticizing someone/something, please show us.

Without love, there is no respect. Without respect, there is no love. I do respect you, just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I don't respect you. People can have disagreements and still respect one another. You think a couple will agree on everything? If they don't, does that mean they don't love one another?

Cowboy wrote:

Anyone who shares their beliefs to people and there's someone that differs from this is doing exactly as you want to point me out as doing. We're just sharing lol, you really really need to get that in your head. No one's preaching, no one's saying theirs is bigger then the other's so to speak. We're just discussing our beliefs, no preaching.

How does one discuss their beliefs then? How does one share what they believe without possibly offending another? How is that possible?

you yield quite a power over others,, for a twenty three year old,,,

but keep learning and growing, as we all must(and Im sure I didnt need to mention, but did anyway,,lol)

Cowboy...you are the one that wrote the post...I said that it's nothing but criticisms about Satan and his legion in that post...so to prove me wrong simply pick out the positive things that wasn't criticisms in your post.....I bet you can't ...




so are you admitting that you love Satan and his legion because you respect them?

Cowboy wrote:

Not condemning anyone. Dude, chill out lol. We're all just sharing our different personal beliefs. I'm not condemning anyone, nor do I do any preaching lol. If I do preaching about Jesus being the way, please stop your preaching of Jesus not being the way, this isn't a place for preaching.

Buy you are PREACHING.

You are attempting to CLAIM what Jesus and God want and expect from people.

That's PREACHING Cowboy.

If your were humbly merely sharing your own personal beliefs, you'd speak as such, simply saying what you believe that Jesus and God expect from YOU.

But you have cross over that line months ago.

No, Cowboy, you are not merely "sharing" your views.

Your are attempting to convince other people that your views are "God's Views".

And you refuse to even remotely consider other people's views on scriptures as well.

You are indeed PREACHING.

Make no mistake about that.

If you think you aren't, then you are only deluding yourself.

In fact, you even argued with MorningSong that what you PREACH, is indeed "True Christianity".

There is no doubt whatsoever that you are a self-appointed Paper Pope who is out to PREACH his own personal views as belonging to Jesus and God.

That's arrogance gone berserk. Nothing less.

I never preach about what Jesus would or would not do. About the only time I ever mention is is when people like you try to use scriptures to claim that Jesus supports your views. Then I simply point out other scriptures that conflict with your claims.

You on the other hand hold out precisely what Jesus would do and you constantly use the most demeaning and negative scriptures you can find to support your negative views.

And no, I won't "chill out", until you do.

As long as you continue to act like you are the ultimate authority, preacher, and spokesperson for Jesus, God, and even for Christianity in general, I will continue to expose the error of your ways.

Already said I do love Satan and his legion earlier. Don't love what he has done, is doing, or will do. But as a creation of our father, yes I do love him. He's just misguided himself into thinking he's greater and more powerful then God. I have sympathy for him for that.

Who shows the greater love of the two following examples:
1. A parent's child is running a muck, stealing things. This child talks with foul language to anyone and everyone, is quite rude. This parent doesn't do anything, just let's the child do as they wish.

2. A parent's child is running a much, stealing things. This child talks with foul language to anyone and everyone, is quite rude. This parent starts to sit down and talk with the child why this child behaves as such. This parent punishes the child for acting this way and offers knowledge of a more appropriate way to behave.

Which of these two show the greater display of love?

A laboratory has conducted experiments with lab mice trying to understand the functions of the brain. They claim to know why some people have better capabilities of understanding various thought processes better then others. They believe it lies in a certain gene. Everyone is probably wondering where I am going with this, but bear with me a moment.

As they put one mouse to walk around in a plastic container they put on a high sounding noise and shock the mouse if it moves. The mouse then jumps up in the air. The reason the scientists do this is because they want to find out if the mouse will learn to not move around when the noise happens again.

After testing this method many times the mouse finally freezes when it hears the noise knowing if it moves it will get shocked.

They have tried this on many mice and found out that not all mice will catch on. Some mice continue to move around even though the noise warns them to freeze and not move.

Could it be that we humans have the same dilemma when it comes to a belief system not allowing us to open our minds to other possibilities? I ask because there are many that have such strong convictions to a faith that they don't let other possibilities for a spiritual practice or belief system to take place. They don't even try to look at other possibilities of a more peaceful practice that could perhaps benefit them even more in their lifetimes or accept the notion that some people don't need it at all and are perfectly happy without it.

This gene that these scientist claim every mammal owns is available to primarily everyone yet some lack a great quantity of them making such people to only believe in one story no matter how illogical it may sound for many people. So perhaps this is the reason why we have those that refuse to see a different possibility of what may be or how something became because of this lack of gene they own.

It is just a thought I had and perhaps something to look into. Actually it would be a great question to ask. What makes a faith so powerful that it excludes other thought processes for possible possibilities of what could have been.

For example my mind says:

Perhaps there was a god that demanded obedience and the christians, muslims, or jews are right about it. Even though we can think of better worlds in a Utopia perspective we might just have a god that goes both ways or the god has challenges to overcome like these books entail. Does it sound logical to me...no...but do I exclude the possibility...no either! It is possible.

Perhaps Jeannie is right about the aliens that created mankind for slave labor and then abandoned us. We are a mutation of alien dna?

Perhaps the wicca goddess is the answer, or the buddha enlightenment, or the other 100,000 of religions.

Maybe there is nothing like Atheists claim. That nothing happens when you pass away.

Perhaps Jedism is correct about the positive energy and negative energy (force) idea that we are just one big particle of energy sharing amongst each other as one. A more pantheistic view perhaps?

There are endless of possibilities and my mind is open to them all.


yet for some reason......

we have those that claim their religion is the answer to it all.

yet if I see a priest claiming a certain day is doomsday and it doesn't happen...why do they still believe in their religion?

yet if I see a Anglican I think it is that claims Jesus will come back on a certain day and it doesn't happen....why still believe?

yet if I see that stoning a woman to death in Iran is justified in the Muslim religion even today....then why follow that?

yet if I see that sacrifice is necessary to worship a god or goddess......then why are you following it?

What makes our minds think this is justified and why others can accept it with open hands and others not? Is it because those that have seen alot of crime and violence know it is not a good thing and others that have not don't understand. In otherwords, experience?

I truly wonder if it is because of our brain functions altogether. That certain gene that some have and others don't.

Cowboy you said that without respect there is no love.....so yes or no...do you respect Satan and his legion?

Cowboy you said that without respect there is no love.....so yes or no...do you respect Satan and his legion?