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msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 06:34 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large)

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 05/27/11 06:59 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 07:04 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 05/27/11 07:33 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 07:38 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 05/27/11 07:46 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 07:52 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear'

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 07:52 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear'

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 05/27/11 08:15 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 05/27/11 08:17 PM
I'm going to address the subject of the O.P. and not get into all the religious bickering, so anyone who responds with any religious bickering will be ignored. I once read something called "The report from Iron Mountain" Which was said to be a study of the effects of world peace if it were ever achieved. Very interesting report, regardless if you believe the story about how it was compiled. The conclusions were not very promising. Governments would fall, countries would become non-existent. The economy as we know it would be completely destroyed. This world and this galaxy is all about war and conquest. There was even a war in heaven if you believe that. This war in heaven could have been a galactic conflict between non-human alien life forms. There are many different factions, races, etc. operating in this world and they are vying for control and power. Its all about energy. Everything is about energy in the physical world because there are limits to energy here. It is a finite world. The big fish eats the little fish. Its all about money, power, energy. It is never going to change. This is not paradise, this is the physical world. Having said that, it is as it should be. Universal law is at work here in this world. It is a world of duality. War and peace, good and evil, black and white, male and female, etc. It is fantasy island. Have you ever seen the movie "Demolition Man?" One man's idea of "peace" was being lived in the city, and the people who wanted freedom were living underground. In the world of "peace" there were laws against eating meat, cursing, fighting, etc. There was a law against physically having sex. They did it electronically to avoid diseases. Children were created in test tubes. The point is, there must be diversity if you want freedom. There must be diversity if you want to have choices and free will. You must allow diversity or there is no freedom. You cannot have peace except within yourself. That is where you will find it. You cannot force it on other people without depriving them of diversity and freedom.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 08:18 PM
I'm going to address the subject of the O.P. and not get into all the religious bickering, so anyone who responds with any religious bickering will be ignored. I once read something called "The report from Iron Mountain" Which was said to be a study of the effects of world peace if it were ever achieved. Very interesting report, regardless if you believe the story about how it was compiled. The conclusions were not very promising. Governments would fall, countries would become non-existent. The economy as we know it would be completely destroyed. This world and this galaxy is all about war and conquest. There was even a war in heaven if you believe that. This war in heaven could have been a galactic conflict between non-human alien life forms. There are many different factions, races, etc. operating in this world and they are vying for control and power. Its all about energy. Everything is about energy in the physical world because there are limits to energy here. It is a finite world. The big fish eats the little fish. Its all about money, power, energy. It is never going to change. This is not paradise, this is the physical world. Having said that, it is as it should be. Universal law is at work here in this world. It is a world of duality. War and peace, good and evil, black and white, male and female, etc. It is fantasy island. Have you ever seen the movie "Demolition Man?" One man's idea of "peace" was being lived in the city, and the people who wanted freedom were living underground. In the world of "peace" there were laws against eating meat, cursing, fighting, etc. There was a law against physically having sex. They did it electronically to avoid diseases. Children were created in test tubes. The point it, there must be diversity if you want freedom. There must be diversity if you want to have choices and free will. You must allow diversity or there is no freedom. You cannot have peace except within yourself. That is where you will find it. You cannot force it on other people without depriving them of diversity and freedom. life is a BALANCING act,,,well stated Jeannie

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 05/27/11 08:22 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear' well you might not recall Jesus implying that "sinners" disappear but do you recall Jesus saiding to turn the other cheek...but let's face it...he won't be doing that in the battle at Armageddon as he show his Christian Love by slicing and dicing those pesty sinners Jesus will killed sinners in this battle under the concept of Christian love in which he is require to love all as he kills them.. which is no different than 'mylifetoday' comment on wishing that all the muslims disappear..... so is Jesus not turning the other cheek an example of him abusing his Christian teachings

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Fri 05/27/11 08:29 PM Edited by msharmony on Fri 05/27/11 08:30 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear' well you might not recall Jesus implying that "sinners" disappear but do you recall Jesus saiding to turn the other cheek...but let's face it...he won't be doing that in the battle at Armageddon as he show his Christian Love by slicing and dicing those pesty sinners Jesus will killed sinners in this battle under the concept of Christian love in which he is require to love all as he kills them.. which is no different than 'mylifetoday' comment on wishing that all the muslims disappear..... so is Jesus not turning the other cheek an example of him abusing his Christian teachings hmm,, is my driving a car an example of me abusing my teachings of my children to not even turn the KEY of a car.....lol If only I had ENOUGH interest, ,back and forths can go all night,,, I suppose if I ever have an existence where I live a perfect life and die for the sins of others, where I am the word or the way, I might earn the PRIVILEGE/RESPONSIBILITY of such severe judgment but until that day, I am like a child and what applies to children does not always apply to adults,,,,

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 05/27/11 08:42 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear' well you might not recall Jesus implying that "sinners" disappear but do you recall Jesus saiding to turn the other cheek...but let's face it...he won't be doing that in the battle at Armageddon as he show his Christian Love by slicing and dicing those pesty sinners Jesus will killed sinners in this battle under the concept of Christian love in which he is require to love all as he kills them.. which is no different than 'mylifetoday' comment on wishing that all the muslims disappear..... so is Jesus not turning the other cheek an example of him abusing his Christian teachings hmm,, is my driving a car an example of me abusing my teachings of my children to not even turn the KEY of a car.....lol If only I had ENOUGH interest, ,back and forths can go all night,,, I suppose if I ever have an existence where I live a perfect life and die for the sins of others, where I am the word or the way, I might earn the PRIVILEGE/RESPONSIBILITY of such severe judgment but until that day, I am like a child and what applies to children does not always apply to adults,,,, oh my god ...oops....er... I meant oh no not your off the mark analogies again ...come on MsHarmony...you allowing your underage children to go James Dean and hot rodding in your car is not the same as Jesus going Clint Eastwood make my day on sinners so can we stick to the religious aspect of the current topic of debate instead of you resorting to devious ways of going off the debate so again is Jesus killing those that he claim that he love in the battle at Armegeddon an example of Christian Required Love

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 05/27/11 09:29 PM
I said, I respect the entities Satan and his legion. That doesn't mean I respect what they do or how they behave. I respect them as being God's creation who became overly egotistical and prideful in himself. as I said...sit back and watch them become lawyers .. if you actually love and respect Satan and his legion you would just simply say so without all that mumbo jumbo as you would do if asked if you loved and respected Jesus this is why Christian Love is apathetic towards abuse .... I didn't say any mumbo jumbo, I said straight up that I love Satan and his minions as well as I do respect them. I just don't love his actions, his disobedience to our father, his desire to be in control, his ego, or how he hurts everyone in one way or other. If you asked me if I loved Jesus, I would say: "I love Jesus in all his greatness. I love Jesus for all the great things he does for the world. I love Jesus for all the compassion and care he gives to us all. I love Jesus for everything about him. Cowboy as a Christian you are require to say that you love Jesus..as you are required by your religion to say only good things about him .... Nobody is "required" to do anything. We do love everyone, we do believe in the gospel. That is what makes us "Christian". We don't believe in it cause we are Christian. That's backwards. One can not be a Christian without first believing the scriptures. It's not like someone takes the title "Christian", then that in turn makes them forced to believe in the scriptures, no. They believe in the scriptures and that is what defines them as a Christian.

AdventureBegins Joined Tue 04/10/07 Posts: 7666	Fri 05/27/11 09:31 PM
I'm going to address the subject of the O.P. and not get into all the religious bickering, so anyone who responds with any religious bickering will be ignored. I once read something called "The report from Iron Mountain" Which was said to be a study of the effects of world peace if it were ever achieved. Very interesting report, regardless if you believe the story about how it was compiled. The conclusions were not very promising. Governments would fall, countries would become non-existent. The economy as we know it would be completely destroyed. This world and this galaxy is all about war and conquest. There was even a war in heaven if you believe that. This war in heaven could have been a galactic conflict between non-human alien life forms. There are many different factions, races, etc. operating in this world and they are vying for control and power. Its all about energy. Everything is about energy in the physical world because there are limits to energy here. It is a finite world. The big fish eats the little fish. Its all about money, power, energy. It is never going to change. This is not paradise, this is the physical world. Having said that, it is as it should be. Universal law is at work here in this world. It is a world of duality. War and peace, good and evil, black and white, male and female, etc. It is fantasy island. Have you ever seen the movie "Demolition Man?" One man's idea of "peace" was being lived in the city, and the people who wanted freedom were living underground. In the world of "peace" there were laws against eating meat, cursing, fighting, etc. There was a law against physically having sex. They did it electronically to avoid diseases. Children were created in test tubes. The point is, there must be diversity if you want freedom. There must be diversity if you want to have choices and free will. You must allow diversity or there is no freedom. You cannot have peace except within yourself. That is where you will find it. You cannot force it on other people without depriving them of diversity and freedom. Indeed... To 'force' would also deprive you both of 'peace'.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 05/27/11 09:31 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear' well you might not recall Jesus implying that "sinners" disappear but do you recall Jesus saiding to turn the other cheek...but let's face it...he won't be doing that in the battle at Armageddon as he show his Christian Love by slicing and dicing those pesty sinners Jesus will killed sinners in this battle under the concept of Christian love in which he is require to love all as he kills them.. which is no different than 'mylifetoday' comment on wishing that all the muslims disappear..... so is Jesus not turning the other cheek an example of him abusing his Christian teachings hmm,, is my driving a car an example of me abusing my teachings of my children to not even turn the KEY of a car.....lol If only I had ENOUGH interest, ,back and forths can go all night,,, I suppose if I ever have an existence where I live a perfect life and die for the sins of others, where I am the word or the way, I might earn the PRIVILEGE/RESPONSIBILITY of such severe judgment but until that day, I am like a child and what applies to children does not always apply to adults,,,, oh my god ...oops....er... I meant oh no not your off the mark analogies again ...come on MsHarmony...you allowing your underage children to go James Dean and hot rodding in your car is not the same as Jesus going Clint Eastwood make my day on sinners so can we stick to the religious aspect of the current topic of debate instead of you resorting to devious ways of going off the debate so again is Jesus killing those that he claim that he love in the battle at Armegeddon an example of Christian Required Love Jesus will kill no one, Jesus kills no one. A judgment is not a "killing". Killing is unlawfully taken someone's life. Jesus is the law, literally in this case lol, he's the word in flesh and we are judged by the word.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 05/27/11 10:08 PM Edited by MorningSong on Fri 05/27/11 10:19 PM
"Jesus is the Word made Flesh" by golly Cowboy... I think you are catching on now.... There's hope for you yet. See ...if the WORD made Flesh is Jesus....and in the beginning WAS the Word ...and the Word was WITH God ....and the Word WAS God.... and by the Word, the worlds were created..... well surely the WORD becoming flesh would not deminish His Great Power one bit, would it now , Cowboy? Not gonna give up on you, Cowboy.

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Fri 05/27/11 10:14 PM
Jeannie wrote: You cannot have peace except within yourself. That is where you will find it. You cannot force it on other people without depriving them of diversity and freedom Truly. It's wasted effort worrying about other people. If they wanted peace they'd find it too. Peace comes from within.

MorningSong Joined Mon 02/11/08 Posts: 4505	Fri 05/27/11 10:16 PM
I'm going to address the subject of the O.P. and not get into all the religious bickering, so anyone who responds with any religious bickering will be ignored. I once read something called "The report from Iron Mountain" Which was said to be a study of the effects of world peace if it were ever achieved. Very interesting report, regardless if you believe the story about how it was compiled. The conclusions were not very promising. Governments would fall, countries would become non-existent. The economy as we know it would be completely destroyed. This world and this galaxy is all about war and conquest. There was even a war in heaven if you believe that. This war in heaven could have been a galactic conflict between non-human alien life forms. There are many different factions, races, etc. operating in this world and they are vying for control and power. Its all about energy. Everything is about energy in the physical world because there are limits to energy here. It is a finite world. The big fish eats the little fish. Its all about money, power, energy. It is never going to change. This is not paradise, this is the physical world. Having said that, it is as it should be. Universal law is at work here in this world. It is a world of duality. War and peace, good and evil, black and white, male and female, etc. It is fantasy island. Have you ever seen the movie "Demolition Man?" One man's idea of "peace" was being lived in the city, and the people who wanted freedom were living underground. In the world of "peace" there were laws against eating meat, cursing, fighting, etc. There was a law against physically having sex. They did it electronically to avoid diseases. Children were created in test tubes. The point is, there must be diversity if you want freedom. There must be diversity if you want to have choices and free will. You must allow diversity or there is no freedom. You cannot have peace except within yourself. That is where you will find it. You cannot force it on other people without depriving them of diversity and freedom. Good post ,Jeannie..

mylifetoday Joined Sat 01/08/11 Posts: 1943	Fri 05/27/11 10:20 PM
Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large) what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love I don't know how many times I have to say this... I don't hate Muslims. I see the truth of their religion - note: NOT beliefs as everyone's personal belief is different. The truth I see is that Muhammad told his followers to convert at the tip of a sword and he lead an army that did just that. Convert or we kill you... That isn't hate. That is pointing out what their religion says. Just as you think you are pointing out the failures in Christianity... Do you hate Christians???? If you can honestly say no, then you understand how I feel about Muslims...