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Regardless in what religion one practices or not practice we must understand that we breathe the same air, have the same blood, carry the same skin, use the same functions, and have the same needs. We must try to understand that we can enjoy the different cultures together. You are Christian, I am Agnostic, She is Buddhist, He is Muslim, and the other is Wiccan. It doesn't matter. We can live together as one and enjoy each others philosophies independently. There are wars fought because of religion as we speak. This doesn't have to be. I shed a tear to those that preach hatred, violence, superstitions in a negative way, prejudice, racism. I shed a tear for them because they are the ones that need to be shown love, acceptance in society, and reality of how important it is to share this world together. Will you try to help? Can you try to help? Let us talk about PEACE...yes TRUE PEACE. A united people that will learn to tolerate differences without violence. Is there a way? Can it be done? Yes absolutely completely true. A spiritual belief is a CHOICE, it is not to be forced upon another. And there are many spiritual beliefs out there in this world. We do need to "just live with it" so to speak. It's their choice to believe in what ever they wish to believe. And wars should never be fought in the name of any religious believe. Most people hold dearly to their spiritual beliefs, if you threaten to kill them for their beliefs, they'll gladly accept it and die in their beliefs name. Feeling it brings honor to that belief. That and if one kills someone for not believing, what have they accomplished? That person now will NEVER get the chance to believe as the "killer" did. The best thing one can do for another is offer the knowledge, outside of that their's nothing anyone of us can do for another spiritually speaking. Too bad it is fraudulent "knowledge" that you offer to others. All you offer is your opinions of your interpretation of a book. But as long as you don't tell others they are sinners and that they will not go to heaven unless they believe as you do, we are good. I would never. It's not my job nor my position to say anything like that. For example in businesses there is a chain of command. Owner tells the boss of the business what to do, then the boss tells the manager, then the manager tells the employees. But spiritually speaking, there is no "chain of command" within the people of the world. We are all equal and all on even footing. One isn't better, greater, or more important then the other. I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do or not do, neither you me, ect. I will hold you to that and will let you know when you violate your own words as you have in the past. Also the analogy you used is incorrect. The boss tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. I have never violated this in the past nor will I ever in the future. I NEVER once have said a specific person was going to burn, miss out on heaven, or anything of such. And no my analogy is not incorrect. The boss/employee thing was merely to give an example of "chain of command". And at work the boss has entire control over the employee on such things that are associated to the work. If the employee doesn't listen, they are generally fired. Again the correct analogy is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. What difference does it make if it's written or other? Ok,well then since you have to have it a written instruction. Owner writes an instruction manual and gives it to the manager, then the manager passes it onto the employees. And what in the world does it matter anyways? Why take this point way out in left field? The ENTIRE reasoning of mentioning the owner, employees, ect was to show the command line. That's it, doesn't matter what order it was suppose to be in, doesn't matter anything. Was just an example of the chain of command. And the point of the chain of command was to show someone being more important, higher, greater, then another. So I could say the world in spirituality is not like that. We are all equal, the same, on the same grounds, no one is greater then the other, no one is more important, no one is the boss of all others, ect. |
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Edited by
Dragoness
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As for peace world wide.
Again I will say this. It is too bad peace has to be fought for huh? Our last war was supposedly to bring peace to the world from terrorists. War on terror by terrorizing..lol The concept of peace is so foreign to people they don't understand how to work towards it. |
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Regardless in what religion one practices or not practice we must understand that we breathe the same air, have the same blood, carry the same skin, use the same functions, and have the same needs. We must try to understand that we can enjoy the different cultures together. You are Christian, I am Agnostic, She is Buddhist, He is Muslim, and the other is Wiccan. It doesn't matter. We can live together as one and enjoy each others philosophies independently. There are wars fought because of religion as we speak. This doesn't have to be. I shed a tear to those that preach hatred, violence, superstitions in a negative way, prejudice, racism. I shed a tear for them because they are the ones that need to be shown love, acceptance in society, and reality of how important it is to share this world together. Will you try to help? Can you try to help? Let us talk about PEACE...yes TRUE PEACE. A united people that will learn to tolerate differences without violence. Is there a way? Can it be done? Yes absolutely completely true. A spiritual belief is a CHOICE, it is not to be forced upon another. And there are many spiritual beliefs out there in this world. We do need to "just live with it" so to speak. It's their choice to believe in what ever they wish to believe. And wars should never be fought in the name of any religious believe. Most people hold dearly to their spiritual beliefs, if you threaten to kill them for their beliefs, they'll gladly accept it and die in their beliefs name. Feeling it brings honor to that belief. That and if one kills someone for not believing, what have they accomplished? That person now will NEVER get the chance to believe as the "killer" did. The best thing one can do for another is offer the knowledge, outside of that their's nothing anyone of us can do for another spiritually speaking. Too bad it is fraudulent "knowledge" that you offer to others. All you offer is your opinions of your interpretation of a book. But as long as you don't tell others they are sinners and that they will not go to heaven unless they believe as you do, we are good. I would never. It's not my job nor my position to say anything like that. For example in businesses there is a chain of command. Owner tells the boss of the business what to do, then the boss tells the manager, then the manager tells the employees. But spiritually speaking, there is no "chain of command" within the people of the world. We are all equal and all on even footing. One isn't better, greater, or more important then the other. I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do or not do, neither you me, ect. I will hold you to that and will let you know when you violate your own words as you have in the past. Also the analogy you used is incorrect. The boss tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. I have never violated this in the past nor will I ever in the future. I NEVER once have said a specific person was going to burn, miss out on heaven, or anything of such. And no my analogy is not incorrect. The boss/employee thing was merely to give an example of "chain of command". And at work the boss has entire control over the employee on such things that are associated to the work. If the employee doesn't listen, they are generally fired. Again the correct analogy is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. What difference does it make if it's written or other? Ok,well then since you have to have it a written instruction. Owner writes an instruction manual and gives it to the manager, then the manager passes it onto the employees. And what in the world does it matter anyways? Why take this point way out in left field? The ENTIRE reasoning of mentioning the owner, employees, ect was to show the command line. That's it, doesn't matter what order it was suppose to be in, doesn't matter anything. Was just an example of the chain of command. And the point of the chain of command was to show someone being more important, higher, greater, then another. So I could say the world in spirituality is not like that. We are all equal, the same, on the same grounds, no one is greater then the other, no one is more important, no one is the boss of all others, ect. Except your chain of command analogy is not correct for Christians, it is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book only for these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. |
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Regardless in what religion one practices or not practice we must understand that we breathe the same air, have the same blood, carry the same skin, use the same functions, and have the same needs. We must try to understand that we can enjoy the different cultures together. You are Christian, I am Agnostic, She is Buddhist, He is Muslim, and the other is Wiccan. It doesn't matter. We can live together as one and enjoy each others philosophies independently. There are wars fought because of religion as we speak. This doesn't have to be. I shed a tear to those that preach hatred, violence, superstitions in a negative way, prejudice, racism. I shed a tear for them because they are the ones that need to be shown love, acceptance in society, and reality of how important it is to share this world together. Will you try to help? Can you try to help? Let us talk about PEACE...yes TRUE PEACE. A united people that will learn to tolerate differences without violence. Is there a way? Can it be done? Yes absolutely completely true. A spiritual belief is a CHOICE, it is not to be forced upon another. And there are many spiritual beliefs out there in this world. We do need to "just live with it" so to speak. It's their choice to believe in what ever they wish to believe. And wars should never be fought in the name of any religious believe. Most people hold dearly to their spiritual beliefs, if you threaten to kill them for their beliefs, they'll gladly accept it and die in their beliefs name. Feeling it brings honor to that belief. That and if one kills someone for not believing, what have they accomplished? That person now will NEVER get the chance to believe as the "killer" did. The best thing one can do for another is offer the knowledge, outside of that their's nothing anyone of us can do for another spiritually speaking. Too bad it is fraudulent "knowledge" that you offer to others. All you offer is your opinions of your interpretation of a book. But as long as you don't tell others they are sinners and that they will not go to heaven unless they believe as you do, we are good. I would never. It's not my job nor my position to say anything like that. For example in businesses there is a chain of command. Owner tells the boss of the business what to do, then the boss tells the manager, then the manager tells the employees. But spiritually speaking, there is no "chain of command" within the people of the world. We are all equal and all on even footing. One isn't better, greater, or more important then the other. I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do or not do, neither you me, ect. I will hold you to that and will let you know when you violate your own words as you have in the past. Also the analogy you used is incorrect. The boss tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. I have never violated this in the past nor will I ever in the future. I NEVER once have said a specific person was going to burn, miss out on heaven, or anything of such. And no my analogy is not incorrect. The boss/employee thing was merely to give an example of "chain of command". And at work the boss has entire control over the employee on such things that are associated to the work. If the employee doesn't listen, they are generally fired. Again the correct analogy is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. What difference does it make if it's written or other? Ok,well then since you have to have it a written instruction. Owner writes an instruction manual and gives it to the manager, then the manager passes it onto the employees. And what in the world does it matter anyways? Why take this point way out in left field? The ENTIRE reasoning of mentioning the owner, employees, ect was to show the command line. That's it, doesn't matter what order it was suppose to be in, doesn't matter anything. Was just an example of the chain of command. And the point of the chain of command was to show someone being more important, higher, greater, then another. So I could say the world in spirituality is not like that. We are all equal, the same, on the same grounds, no one is greater then the other, no one is more important, no one is the boss of all others, ect. Except your chain of command analogy is not correct for Christians, it is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book only for these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. Someone writing it and handing it to another is telling them. Telling doesn't have to be verbal. |
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Regardless in what religion one practices or not practice we must understand that we breathe the same air, have the same blood, carry the same skin, use the same functions, and have the same needs. We must try to understand that we can enjoy the different cultures together. You are Christian, I am Agnostic, She is Buddhist, He is Muslim, and the other is Wiccan. It doesn't matter. We can live together as one and enjoy each others philosophies independently. There are wars fought because of religion as we speak. This doesn't have to be. I shed a tear to those that preach hatred, violence, superstitions in a negative way, prejudice, racism. I shed a tear for them because they are the ones that need to be shown love, acceptance in society, and reality of how important it is to share this world together. Will you try to help? Can you try to help? Let us talk about PEACE...yes TRUE PEACE. A united people that will learn to tolerate differences without violence. Is there a way? Can it be done? Yes absolutely completely true. A spiritual belief is a CHOICE, it is not to be forced upon another. And there are many spiritual beliefs out there in this world. We do need to "just live with it" so to speak. It's their choice to believe in what ever they wish to believe. And wars should never be fought in the name of any religious believe. Most people hold dearly to their spiritual beliefs, if you threaten to kill them for their beliefs, they'll gladly accept it and die in their beliefs name. Feeling it brings honor to that belief. That and if one kills someone for not believing, what have they accomplished? That person now will NEVER get the chance to believe as the "killer" did. The best thing one can do for another is offer the knowledge, outside of that their's nothing anyone of us can do for another spiritually speaking. Too bad it is fraudulent "knowledge" that you offer to others. All you offer is your opinions of your interpretation of a book. But as long as you don't tell others they are sinners and that they will not go to heaven unless they believe as you do, we are good. I would never. It's not my job nor my position to say anything like that. For example in businesses there is a chain of command. Owner tells the boss of the business what to do, then the boss tells the manager, then the manager tells the employees. But spiritually speaking, there is no "chain of command" within the people of the world. We are all equal and all on even footing. One isn't better, greater, or more important then the other. I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do or not do, neither you me, ect. I will hold you to that and will let you know when you violate your own words as you have in the past. Also the analogy you used is incorrect. The boss tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. I have never violated this in the past nor will I ever in the future. I NEVER once have said a specific person was going to burn, miss out on heaven, or anything of such. And no my analogy is not incorrect. The boss/employee thing was merely to give an example of "chain of command". And at work the boss has entire control over the employee on such things that are associated to the work. If the employee doesn't listen, they are generally fired. Again the correct analogy is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. What difference does it make if it's written or other? Ok,well then since you have to have it a written instruction. Owner writes an instruction manual and gives it to the manager, then the manager passes it onto the employees. And what in the world does it matter anyways? Why take this point way out in left field? The ENTIRE reasoning of mentioning the owner, employees, ect was to show the command line. That's it, doesn't matter what order it was suppose to be in, doesn't matter anything. Was just an example of the chain of command. And the point of the chain of command was to show someone being more important, higher, greater, then another. So I could say the world in spirituality is not like that. We are all equal, the same, on the same grounds, no one is greater then the other, no one is more important, no one is the boss of all others, ect. Except your chain of command analogy is not correct for Christians, it is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book only for these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them. Ok even if it that way lol........ how a chain of command works is totally irrelevant. Was merely an example of how it doesn't apply to the people of this world. Yes God is the head and is in charge don't get me wrong, I just mean from me to you, you to me, me to anyone else, that someone to me, ect. Of the people of this planet, no one is "higher" then another. We are all equal and all same regardless of everything, we are all the same. That was my entire point on it when ya'll go sidetracked with how a chain of command works lol. |
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Cowboy wrote:
We are all equal and all same regardless of everything, we are all the same. This may be true, but unfortunately everyone doesn't seem to be aware of this. Some people seem to think that their views and opinions are closer to God's views and opinions, and that God supports their prejudices, bigotries, and opinions over the views of all other people. When we run into such highly arrogant people, the ideology that everyone is equal, is quickly overshadowed by their overbearing sense of self-importance. The fact that all people are equal will only be fully realized when everyone is capable of confessing to themselves and others that they are indeed necessarily agnostic just like everyone else, and cannot possibly have any more knowledge of any imagined supreme being than anyone else. As long as we live among religious zealots who use the concept of a God to support their own personal ignorance and bigotries, we can never live in the peace of equality, because the religious zealots will always be convinced that they are indeed better than everyone else, even though they pretend that they don't believe this. Pretense and denial is part of their character make up. Sure, it doesn't actually make them any better than anyone else. But it most certainly makes them think that they are. Even while they are in denial of it. |
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Cowboy wrote:
We are all equal and all same regardless of everything, we are all the same. This may be true, but unfortunately everyone doesn't seem to be aware of this. Some people seem to think that their views and opinions are closer to God's views and opinions, and that God supports their prejudices, bigotries, and opinions over the views of all other people. When we run into such highly arrogant people, the ideology that everyone is equal, is quickly overshadowed by their overbearing sense of self-importance. The fact that all people are equal will only be fully realized when everyone is capable of confessing to themselves and others that they are indeed necessarily agnostic just like everyone else, and cannot possibly have any more knowledge of any imagined supreme being than anyone else. As long as we live among religious zealots who use the concept of a God to support their own personal ignorance and bigotries, we can never live in the peace of equality, because the religious zealots will always be convinced that they are indeed better than everyone else, even though they pretend that they don't believe this. Pretense and denial is part of their character make up. Sure, it doesn't actually make them any better than anyone else. But it most certainly makes them think that they are. Even while they are in denial of it. faith requires belief, not absolute knowledge why must people of any faith confess some type of doubt to appease others? I dont KNOW for sure that the earth is round, I never saw it FOR MYSELF, but I doubt what I have been told or the pictures I have been shown were fabricated there is little we know ABSOLUTELY , but we usually need some solid foundation of beliefs and knowledge to build off of,,, I dont think a scientist is better or worse than me because he understands science better and I dont assume he thinks he is either why is the assumption that if one thinks they have a better understanding of something, they think they are a superior or better person we all have areas of knowledge or experience that exceeds others, that has nothing to do , or shouldnt, with it meaning that we are better people than anyone else... all people are equal, equal in their tendency to have strengths and weaknesses and equal in their capacity to love or hate, and equal in their capacity to believe or not believe,,,,,, |
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A true Christian, one whom does their best to follow our commandments and not just someone who has taken the title would never hate anyone. Hate is of the Devil. We are to love everyone regardless of their sex, culture, origin, color, beliefs, or anything other. ok Cowboy then let's test your Christians are required to Love Theory simply say (type) that you Love Satan and all his Legion |
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Cowboy wrote:
We are all equal and all same regardless of everything, we are all the same. This may be true, but unfortunately everyone doesn't seem to be aware of this. Some people seem to think that their views and opinions are closer to God's views and opinions, and that God supports their prejudices, bigotries, and opinions over the views of all other people. When we run into such highly arrogant people, the ideology that everyone is equal, is quickly overshadowed by their overbearing sense of self-importance. The fact that all people are equal will only be fully realized when everyone is capable of confessing to themselves and others that they are indeed necessarily agnostic just like everyone else, and cannot possibly have any more knowledge of any imagined supreme being than anyone else. As long as we live among religious zealots who use the concept of a God to support their own personal ignorance and bigotries, we can never live in the peace of equality, because the religious zealots will always be convinced that they are indeed better than everyone else, even though they pretend that they don't believe this. Pretense and denial is part of their character make up. Sure, it doesn't actually make them any better than anyone else. But it most certainly makes them think that they are. Even while they are in denial of it. Really if god is God, I think he is going to be more dissapointed in the people who claim to be his then in the ones who questioned , or just didnt know him.. Really the thing that turns a lot of people away from the christian religion are Gods own people.. Just my opinion |
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Cowboy wrote:
We are all equal and all same regardless of everything, we are all the same. This may be true, but unfortunately everyone doesn't seem to be aware of this. Some people seem to think that their views and opinions are closer to God's views and opinions, and that God supports their prejudices, bigotries, and opinions over the views of all other people. When we run into such highly arrogant people, the ideology that everyone is equal, is quickly overshadowed by their overbearing sense of self-importance. The fact that all people are equal will only be fully realized when everyone is capable of confessing to themselves and others that they are indeed necessarily agnostic just like everyone else, and cannot possibly have any more knowledge of any imagined supreme being than anyone else. As long as we live among religious zealots who use the concept of a God to support their own personal ignorance and bigotries, we can never live in the peace of equality, because the religious zealots will always be convinced that they are indeed better than everyone else, even though they pretend that they don't believe this. Pretense and denial is part of their character make up. Sure, it doesn't actually make them any better than anyone else. But it most certainly makes them think that they are. Even while they are in denial of it. The fact that all people are equal will only be fully realized when everyone is capable of confessing to themselves and others that they are indeed necessarily agnostic just like everyone else, and cannot possibly have any more knowledge of any imagined supreme being than anyone else Everyone isn't agnostic though. We have people that are very sure of their god, we have people giving their life up in attempts to spread that belief. We have people giving their life up to honor their god. If someone was unsure, they wouldn't be able to carry through with the action, less they were suicidal. Which in some cases may be true, but not all. You're claiming everyone's agnostic I presume because there's not physical absolute way to prove a belief. Which is not true. There is no physical absolute way to prove anything of yesterday when it comes to something you did not see. Everything that happened yesterday is taken on faith when it doesn't include you. |
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Cowboy wrote:
We are all equal and all same regardless of everything, we are all the same. This may be true, but unfortunately everyone doesn't seem to be aware of this. Some people seem to think that their views and opinions are closer to God's views and opinions, and that God supports their prejudices, bigotries, and opinions over the views of all other people. When we run into such highly arrogant people, the ideology that everyone is equal, is quickly overshadowed by their overbearing sense of self-importance. The fact that all people are equal will only be fully realized when everyone is capable of confessing to themselves and others that they are indeed necessarily agnostic just like everyone else, and cannot possibly have any more knowledge of any imagined supreme being than anyone else. As long as we live among religious zealots who use the concept of a God to support their own personal ignorance and bigotries, we can never live in the peace of equality, because the religious zealots will always be convinced that they are indeed better than everyone else, even though they pretend that they don't believe this. Pretense and denial is part of their character make up. Sure, it doesn't actually make them any better than anyone else. But it most certainly makes them think that they are. Even while they are in denial of it. Really if god is God, I think he is going to be more dissapointed in the people who claim to be his then in the ones who questioned , or just didnt know him.. Really the thing that turns a lot of people away from the christian religion are Gods own people.. Just my opinion ahh, but there is the contradiction,, people who 'claim' to be his doesnt mean they are his , so those who are 'claiming' but arent his are turning people away but, even people who ARE his, turn others away by the mere suggestion that our lives are not OUR OWN to do whatever we please and still expect to come to God,,,, Jesus was Gods own, and IM sure his doctrines and sermons and lessons of self discipline and neigborly love turned away plenty of course, I agree, I doubt God is AS dissapointed in those who had not been given the opportunity to know him for some reason(although I think those are few in the modern world) as he is those who are given the chance but reject what he has placed in their heart or reject the knowledge he has tried to provide them but I think he is always disappointed ABOUT any of his creation not knowing him,, not necessarily a disappointment IN Them, but a dissapointment ABOUT their loss,,,,,I think that is why we are told to spread the word and let people know, because if ignorance were an excuse, it would definitely be wiser for him to encourage us to allow everyone to remain in ignorance about him,,,,, but who am I to decide what is WISE for the one who created my ability to even think in the first place...? |
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A true Christian, one whom does their best to follow our commandments and not just someone who has taken the title would never hate anyone. Hate is of the Devil. We are to love everyone regardless of their sex, culture, origin, color, beliefs, or anything other. ok Cowboy then let's test your Christians are required to Love Theory simply say (type) that you Love Satan and all his Legion I do love Satan. I feel much sympothy for him and his legion. I feel saddened they took the path they took. I don't hate Satan. I see Satan as like a misguided teenager breaking from their parent and doing as they wish. I wish Satan would never have thought himself greater then God, and or professed it getting himself kicked out of heaven. I wish he would never have letten his ego get the best of him. I know they deserve, but I don't wish punishment on anyone whom has done something wrong and or mean and or incorrect. I wish they would never have done the action in the first place. Punishment isn't the path to paradise, repentance from evil actions is the path to paradise. If people in the first place didn't do this wrong doings, there would be no need for a punishment. |
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Everyone isn't agnostic though. We have people that are very sure of their god, we have people giving their life up in attempts to spread that belief. We have people giving their life up to honor their god. If someone was unsure, they wouldn't be able to carry through with the action, less they were suicidal. Which in some cases may be true, but not all. You're claiming everyone's agnostic I presume because there's not physical absolute way to prove a belief. Which is not true. There is no physical absolute way to prove anything of yesterday when it comes to something you did not see. Everything that happened yesterday is taken on faith when it doesn't include you. but to us agnostics, everyone by definition is agnostic. we agnostics think that the human mind is incapable of knowing the existence of gods, the afterlife and other supernatural phenomena. so unless you have a mind that is other than human, you cannot know of such things which makes you agnostic. you say yourself that there's "no absolute way to prove anything of yesterday" which i wholeheartedly agree with. so if nothing in the past can be proved absoalutely then how can you ever know absolutely??? |
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A true Christian, one whom does their best to follow our commandments and not just someone who has taken the title would never hate anyone. Hate is of the Devil. We are to love everyone regardless of their sex, culture, origin, color, beliefs, or anything other. ok Cowboy then let's test your Christians are required to Love Theory simply say (type) that you Love Satan and all his Legion I do love Satan. I feel much sympothy for him and his legion. I feel saddened they took the path they took. I don't hate Satan. I see Satan as like a misguided teenager breaking from their parent and doing as they wish. I wish Satan would never have thought himself greater then God, and or professed it getting himself kicked out of heaven. I wish he would never have letten his ego get the best of him. I know they deserve, but I don't wish punishment on anyone whom has done something wrong and or mean and or incorrect. I wish they would never have done the action in the first place. Punishment isn't the path to paradise, repentance from evil actions is the path to paradise. If people in the first place didn't do this wrong doings, there would be no need for a punishment. Cowboy...is Christian Love nothing more than critizing those you claim to Love?...you didn't say one positive thing about Satan and his legion but yet claim to Love them....how is this any different than Hate I'm just trying to see if one of the reasons someone become Christian is so they can use the religion as an excuse to spread their Hate and threats to others under the disguise of "Love" .. so to show that this is not what Christians do of perhaps only you do then simply say (type) some criticisms for another person you also claim to Love name Jesus ....in other words tell of things that Jesus have done that you disapprove of of wish or hope that he didn't or shouldn't do .... |
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A true Christian, one whom does their best to follow our commandments and not just someone who has taken the title would never hate anyone. Hate is of the Devil. We are to love everyone regardless of their sex, culture, origin, color, beliefs, or anything other. ok Cowboy then let's test your Christians are required to Love Theory simply say (type) that you Love Satan and all his Legion I do love Satan. I feel much sympothy for him and his legion. I feel saddened they took the path they took. I don't hate Satan. I see Satan as like a misguided teenager breaking from their parent and doing as they wish. I wish Satan would never have thought himself greater then God, and or professed it getting himself kicked out of heaven. I wish he would never have letten his ego get the best of him. I know they deserve, but I don't wish punishment on anyone whom has done something wrong and or mean and or incorrect. I wish they would never have done the action in the first place. Punishment isn't the path to paradise, repentance from evil actions is the path to paradise. If people in the first place didn't do this wrong doings, there would be no need for a punishment. Cowboy...is Christian Love nothing more than critizing those you claim to Love?...you didn't say one positive thing about Satan and his legion but yet claim to Love them....how is this any different than Hate I'm just trying to see if one of the reasons someone become Christian is so they can use the religion as an excuse to spread their Hate and threats to others under the disguise of "Love" .. so to show that this is not what Christians do of perhaps only you do then simply say (type) some criticisms for another person you also claim to Love name Jesus ....in other words tell of things that Jesus have done that you disapprove of of wish or hope that he didn't or shouldn't do .... so to show that this is not what Christians do of perhaps only you do then simply say (type) some criticisms for another person you also claim to Love name Jesus ....in other words tell of things that Jesus have done that you disapprove of of wish or hope that he didn't or shouldn't do There's not one thing I would disapprove of or wish or hope that he didn't do. Jesus is great. And no I don't condone to criticism of anyone. To love someone you don't have to expect things from them, you don't have to expect love from them, you don't have to love their actions or choices they have done, will do, or think about doing. Loving someone isn't loving their actions. I love everyone, I care for everyone, I wish the best for everyone. I would never hope for something bad to happen to anyone, only wish the best for all. Love isn't earned. Love is given and received willingly. That is why God loves us automatically when we are born "created". You don't have to earn God's love. Yes you have to earn God's rewards though one's obedience to God, but rewards and love aren't the same exact thing. Just cause someone loves you doesn't mean they are, will, or should reward you. That is a choice by the giver. And in the long run all gifts are earned in way or other. Take a couple for instance. The man may get the woman some flowers and jewelry, taking her out for a romantic dinner on her birthday, their anniversery, or any other possible special occasion. This gift isn't done in vein, this gift was earned by her love she gave to him. The loving things she has done for him, ect. And this is his way to show his appreciation for him outside of just words. |
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Everyone isn't agnostic though. We have people that are very sure of their god, we have people giving their life up in attempts to spread that belief. We have people giving their life up to honor their god. If someone was unsure, they wouldn't be able to carry through with the action, less they were suicidal. Which in some cases may be true, but not all. You're claiming everyone's agnostic I presume because there's not physical absolute way to prove a belief. Which is not true. There is no physical absolute way to prove anything of yesterday when it comes to something you did not see. Everything that happened yesterday is taken on faith when it doesn't include you. but to us agnostics, everyone by definition is agnostic. we agnostics think that the human mind is incapable of knowing the existence of gods, the afterlife and other supernatural phenomena. so unless you have a mind that is other than human, you cannot know of such things which makes you agnostic. you say yourself that there's "no absolute way to prove anything of yesterday" which i wholeheartedly agree with. so if nothing in the past can be proved absoalutely then how can you ever know absolutely??? but to us agnostics, everyone by definition is agnostic. we agnostics think that the human mind is incapable of knowing the existence of gods, the afterlife and other supernatural phenomena. so unless you have a mind that is other than human, you cannot know of such things which makes you agnostic. We are incapable on our own yes. That is why we have been given the knowledge of God. Once one receives the Holy spirit to dwell in them and listens to their conscience, they then have achieved all knowledge that is needed. Weather one listens to this knowledge or not is another story, and doesn't matter anyways for the knowledge is nevertheless there. You ask for the knowledge you seek, it will be given. |
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A true Christian, one whom does their best to follow our commandments and not just someone who has taken the title would never hate anyone. Hate is of the Devil. We are to love everyone regardless of their sex, culture, origin, color, beliefs, or anything other. ok Cowboy then let's test your Christians are required to Love Theory simply say (type) that you Love Satan and all his Legion I do love Satan. I feel much sympothy for him and his legion. I feel saddened they took the path they took. I don't hate Satan. I see Satan as like a misguided teenager breaking from their parent and doing as they wish. I wish Satan would never have thought himself greater then God, and or professed it getting himself kicked out of heaven. I wish he would never have letten his ego get the best of him. I know they deserve, but I don't wish punishment on anyone whom has done something wrong and or mean and or incorrect. I wish they would never have done the action in the first place. Punishment isn't the path to paradise, repentance from evil actions is the path to paradise. If people in the first place didn't do this wrong doings, there would be no need for a punishment. Cowboy...is Christian Love nothing more than critizing those you claim to Love?...you didn't say one positive thing about Satan and his legion but yet claim to Love them....how is this any different than Hate I'm just trying to see if one of the reasons someone become Christian is so they can use the religion as an excuse to spread their Hate and threats to others under the disguise of "Love" .. so to show that this is not what Christians do of perhaps only you do then simply say (type) some criticisms for another person you also claim to Love name Jesus ....in other words tell of things that Jesus have done that you disapprove of of wish or hope that he didn't or shouldn't do .... so to show that this is not what Christians do of perhaps only you do then simply say (type) some criticisms for another person you also claim to Love name Jesus ....in other words tell of things that Jesus have done that you disapprove of of wish or hope that he didn't or shouldn't do There's not one thing I would disapprove of or wish or hope that he didn't do. thanks for proving my point....that Christian Love makes no distinction regarding abuse ... |
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And no I don't condone to criticism of anyone. perhaps you don't Cowboy 3, but Cowboy 1 does....especially since Cowboy 1 just finish critizing Satan and his legion ....you should perhaps have a talk with Cowboy 1 and 2 for always contradicting everything you post To love someone you don't have to expect things from them, that's because it supposed to come from the claimer...if you claim to love someone then you yourself are expected to show that love without constant criticisms or abuse |
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And no I don't condone to criticism of anyone. perhaps you don't Cowboy 3, but Cowboy 1 does....especially since Cowboy 1 just finish critizing Satan and his legion ....you should perhaps have a talk with Cowboy 1 and 2 for always contradicting everything you post To love someone you don't have to expect things from them, that's because it supposed to come from the claimer...if you claim to love someone then you yourself are expected to show that love without constant criticisms or abuse especially since Cowboy 1 just finish critizing Satan and his legion I criticized no one. I said not one person or "being" was horrible, I did not say they were anything of that. I made no judgment on anyone/anything. Or maybe I don't know what exactly you are referring to, care to elaborate on where I criticized Satan and his legions? Care to show and explain how it is criticizing? that's because it supposed to come from the claimer...if you claim to love someone then you yourself are expected to show that love without constant criticisms or abuse So if someone claims to love you, they are required to give you something(s)? Not one's criticizing or abusing anyone my friend. We're just here having a civil discussion. If my beliefs do not go with yours, that's not abusing anyone. That is disagreeing with one another. I have not once said you weren't going to get through the gates of Heaven, I have not once said anything about your eternity, I have not once said anything particularly about YOUR relation with our father. |
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Everyone isn't agnostic though. We have people that are very sure of their god, we have people giving their life up in attempts to spread that belief. We have people giving their life up to honor their god. If someone was unsure, they wouldn't be able to carry through with the action, less they were suicidal. Which in some cases may be true, but not all. You're claiming everyone's agnostic I presume because there's not physical absolute way to prove a belief. Which is not true. There is no physical absolute way to prove anything of yesterday when it comes to something you did not see. Everything that happened yesterday is taken on faith when it doesn't include you. but to us agnostics, everyone by definition is agnostic. we agnostics think that the human mind is incapable of knowing the existence of gods, the afterlife and other supernatural phenomena. so unless you have a mind that is other than human, you cannot know of such things which makes you agnostic. you say yourself that there's "no absolute way to prove anything of yesterday" which i wholeheartedly agree with. so if nothing in the past can be proved absoalutely then how can you ever know absolutely??? but to us agnostics, everyone by definition is agnostic. we agnostics think that the human mind is incapable of knowing the existence of gods, the afterlife and other supernatural phenomena. so unless you have a mind that is other than human, you cannot know of such things which makes you agnostic. We are incapable on our own yes. That is why we have been given the knowledge of God. Once one receives the Holy spirit to dwell in them and listens to their conscience, they then have achieved all knowledge that is needed. Weather one listens to this knowledge or not is another story, and doesn't matter anyways for the knowledge is nevertheless there. You ask for the knowledge you seek, it will be given. That still amounts to nothing less than pure arrogance on the part of the religious person. They are judging themselves to be "listening to God", whilst judging agnostics to be "not listening to God". It's still a psychological judgment being made by the religious person. Even if they themselves are not even aware of the fact that they are indeed doing this. They will give endless excuses and denials of this, but in the end, none of their excuse are valid. They are indeed viewing themselves to be "following God" whilst viewing others to be at least "Ignorant of God", if not "Blatantly Rebellious against God". And therefore they have put themselves up on a pedestal in their own mind. They are neither "ignorant" nor "rebellious", which is hogwash. ~~~~ In fact, just like the Biblical authors have suggested, you can tell these people by their works. And if their "works" are to suggest, or imply in any way to any one that they "Know the mind of God" better than another person, then they are indeed being extremely arrogant. Especially when they are clearly using the whole thing as a facade to pretend that God supports their ignorance and bigotries and does not support the views of the people they argue with. 
It's nothing but an ego-trap that their subconscious mind uses to convince them that they are superior to other people in that they represent what's "Holy and Divine" whilst the other people don't. It's senseless to pretend that God supports your view just because you "claim" to believe in God, whilst demanding that people who do not believe in your picture of God are wrong. This is especially oblivious of people who spend most of their time on public internet forums trying to convince other people that their picture of God is correct, and everyone else is wrong. 
Like I say, their motivation is nakedly revealed by their own arrogant action. |
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