comes back to that golden rule, I know the difference a kind word can make in my day,, ,,,,,

Greeneyeman..my sincere apologies for hijacking your

thread..but this here below needs to be said.

When religious groups stop twisting the true meaning of God's

Word, then confusion will leave also.

Then, people will see what Jesus was really trying

to show us.... and it surely wasn't about

just turning the Bible(God's Word) into just another religion.


One day there will be peace on earth.

But again..it will NOT come thru religion.

But Relationship.


.........

Cowboy....Even after I explained countless times that

no...Jesus

is not the father but is just as MUCH God AS the

father...still...still...you come back on here and TWIST my

words.....and also twist the Words of the bible.

I don't appreciate it Cowboy..and I assure you, neither does God.

This is an example of what I am referring to..yet you play dumb.

You wrote at an earlier time on here:



And also here(see below) is where You ,once

again,keep insisting

(along with several other times already this forum),that Jesus

was created,which is NOT what the bible says at all....these

are just 2 of many examples that yuo post on here, that does

NOT line up with the

fundamental teachings of christianity.

Yet, after explaining it to you,

you later deny what you say...and also twist my words....

as you did once again, just a few minutes ago on this thread.

Very clever and cunning , Cowboy.


Arianism and Johovah witnesses believe what you

beleive....but it is NOT THE SAME AS CHRISTIANITY.

IF you want to believe that way...fine....just please come on

here and have the decency to be HONEST about what you are

really teaching on here..and not hide it.....

and then turn around and call it Christianity.


MY WHOLE POINT once more, is this:

Beleive what you want, that is your

perogative....but just letting you know....that is NOT christianity

you are spreading on here.


AND once more... ALL CHRISTIANS DO AT LEAST,

BELIEVE AND AGREE ON THE

BASIC FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF CHRISTIANITY...

WHICH YOU HAVE STATED ,YOU DON'T BELEIVE IN AT ALL.

ALsO this .... I explained sooo many times..


http://mingle2.com/topic/show/302913?page=3

So please Cowboy....don't come on here anymore and later deny what you say....

and twist my words.


I would appreciate it very much, since I do not have time to

post here....

and would love to at least know the TRUTH of

christianity is being talked about on here..and NOT ERROR.

I ask you kindly from now on , to please respect the

fundamentals of christianity on here ,by not misrepresenting it

on here anymore.


INSTEAD,Come out and be open about what You REALLY

believe....THAT IS FINE........

if you

believe in Johovah Witness or Arianism or whatever..fine....

we can further

discuss it from there.....but DON'T call it christianity on

here any longer.

not all christians feel the same way ,

call yourself what you wish, I know I can decide for myself whether or not to believe it,,,,

but back to the theme,,,,

peace anyone?

I twist nothing, I'm sorry if it seems that way. It just seems you misunderstand what I say. You state "God" as a title for our father. And when you say Jesus is God, you are then saying Jesus is our father. Jesus is not our father. We are all "Gods", know ye not that ye are gods? Jesus and God are one through the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit and sin can not reside in the same place. When one accepts Jesus as lord and savior, that person is then forgiven of their sins/trespasses, making them one again pure. Allowing the Holy Ghost to reside inside of them, making them one with Jesus, thus making them one with God through the Holy Ghost.

Someone is made one with the actions, thoughts, and desires one has. You have thoughts, desires, and actions towards worldly things, you are then one with the world. If you have thoughts, desires, and actions towards God, you are then one with God through Jesus Christ.

No Cowboy.....The Father and Jesus and the Holy

Spirit make up ONE.

ONE GOD.

3 distinct separate persons...yet... ONE GOD.

NOT ,ONE THRU the Holy SpIrit.

(what you posted above is an Arianism belief)


Also....Salvation does not come thru

thoughts ,actions,and desires, Cowboy,


That is not how we are born again ,Precious....

and I feel like a mean mamma for having to scold you..

but Cowboy.....

Salvation ONLY comes by Believing and Receiving Jesus into our

HEARTS (NOT just head knowlwdge)......

Salvation does NOT come by works (although yes,works Follow

AFTER salvation) .


Cowboy, Jesus is the One who died for us.....and rose again...

Jesus is the One who was fully God and fully man...

yes Cowboy, Jesus was

GOD in the flesh...not just a demi-god, or a little god .


And No... Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus..

BUT...AGAIN....they are both still EQUALLY GOD....as is also the Holy Spirit.


God the Father,God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.....

3 distinct separate persons within the GODHEAD....

but all 3 still making up ONLY ONE GOD.

There is still.....ONLY .. ONE... GOD.

NOT , Father is GOD and Jesus is a little god, just as you and me

are gods ,as you have been saying on here...that's INCORRECT

according to the Bible.


I will pray God makes this clear to you....

I am upset cause I too ,have high hopes for you....

There are lots of false teachings out there, Cowboy.

Lots.

Sure it is in the long run. What is accepting Jesus Christ as lord and savior? Is it a thought? Is it an action? Is it a desire? Is it a choice? If it is a choice, it is made up of all three.



Actions are not "just head knowledge". Faith alone can not save a man, works without faith is dead. And believing and receiving Jesus into your heart, lets break that down, shall we? Believing = actions, thoughts, and obviously you desire it, for you're believing it.



Yes Jesus is "god". Jesus is our god. Yes Jesus died for us and was resurrected, he defeated death for us so we could have eternal life through him. You say Jesus was fully god and fully man..... what's the difference? Know ye not that ye are gods?



Mom, dad, child, 3 distinct separate persons within one family. That is God, the son and the holy spirit. They are one, they are part of each other, just as you are part of your mom and dad. Takes both those to make you. They are one, they have the same desires, the same mind, the same actions that follow. They work together as one to accomplish things. They works as "one". Same concept goes into a marriage. "They are one flesh". Do they really merge together when they are married? No, they both are separate beings that work as ONE in a family.

Nope..not the same...

and not at all what the bible teaches.

For the sake of this thread,

let us continue on this subject via email from now on....

Lets break it down a little further in what I'm meaning with the son the holy ghost and our father. They are separate entities, but work as one.

Your body, is it all one piece? Yes as long as your body parts are working together, they are one body. But your body is not all one entity. Your arms, your legs, ect are not ONE piece. They are all separate pieces that work together to form one body.

Our father = the head
Jesus = Your hands, feat, and legs
Holy Spirit = Your skin.

These may not be the exact, or really good "expressions" for the three, but it'll explain more of what I'm saying.

Our father being the head, tells the rest of the body what to do. He controls all. He has to and is compassionate to the other body parts as to not hurt them, over work them, ect. He takes care of them in every way.

Jesus being our hands feat and legs, he is whom will take us to our father. He is whom will open the doors to heaven for us.

Holy Spirit being our skin, he is who protects us. He is who makes us who we are ect.

This isn't real in depth or anything, just the general things of the three that make up one body.

And what in opposition to what I said does the bible say? I wish to have this discussion on the forum if that is alright with you. This will give other readers more in depth knowledge of the subject, rather then us going to secret then having to explain to them if they wish to know. As the old saying, two birds with one stone. Someone else reading this forum may believe as I do, and if we are in the wrong we would want to know as to change to better serve our father, at least I know I do for sure and I'm almost 100% sure someone else if they are similar would be the same.

And just to mention so it's not seen as that. I'm not "arguing" nor am I "debating". I'm discussing. What I say may or may not be true in the long wrong, I may or may not have an error in what I understand. And if I am in the error, I would absolutely love to know. But I want to be shown exactly where I am in the wrong rather then just being told I am.

Regardless of what religion one practices or not practice we must understand that we breathe the same air, have the same blood, carry the same skin, use the same functions, and have the same needs. We must try to understand that we can enjoy the different cultures together. You are Christian, I am Agnostic, She is Buddhist, He is Muslim, and the other is Wiccan. It doesn't matter. We can live together as one and enjoy each others philosophies independently. There are wars fought because of religion as we speak. This doesn't have to be. I shed a tear to those that preach hatred, violence, superstitions in a negative way, prejudice, racism. I shed a tear for them because they are the ones that need to be shown love, acceptance in society, and reality of how important it is to share this world together. Will you try to help? Can you try to help? Let us talk about PEACE...yes TRUE PEACE. A united people that will learn to tolerate differences without violence. Is there a way? Can it be done?

Yes absolutely completely true. A spiritual belief is a CHOICE, it is not to be forced upon another. And there are many spiritual beliefs out there in this world. We do need to "just live with it" so to speak. It's their choice to believe in what ever they wish to believe. And wars should never be fought in the name of any religious believe. Most people hold dearly to their spiritual beliefs, if you threaten to kill them for their beliefs, they'll gladly accept it and die in their beliefs name. Feeling it brings honor to that belief. That and if one kills someone for not believing, what have they accomplished? That person now will NEVER get the chance to believe as the "killer" did. The best thing one can do for another is offer the knowledge, outside of that their's nothing anyone of us can do for another spiritually speaking.

Too bad it is fraudulent "knowledge" that you offer to others. All you offer is your opinions of your interpretation of a book.

But as long as you don't tell others they are sinners and that they will not go to heaven unless they believe as you do, we are good.

I would never. It's not my job nor my position to say anything like that. For example in businesses there is a chain of command.

Owner tells the boss of the business what to do, then the boss tells the manager, then the manager tells the employees.

But spiritually speaking, there is no "chain of command" within the people of the world. We are all equal and all on even footing. One isn't better, greater, or more important then the other. I'm not your boss, I can't tell you what to do or not do, neither you me, ect.

I was watching a old 30 year old show called "Barney Miller" today and laughed alot. It was great to see so many religions, color, cultures, and lifestyles working together and showing humor along the way. If you observe closely it was one of the few shows at the time that had everykind of belief system work together in a effort to show how we should envision this country. A united people. Although there was still alot of racism, disagreements, prejudice, that are astray throughout the country, The Barney Miller Show aired anyway and it entertained and perhaps for some educated that it can be possible to be together regardless of race, color, culture, or belief system.

One didn't have to be a Christian for example and still be loved by a Christian. One didn't have to be a Atheist but still loved by an Atheist also. It didn't matter what religion you are on that show. It didn't matter what background either. It just mattered that everyone tried to understand and get along with each other. I am sure no one knows what I am talking about when I say the "Barney Miller" show, but just know even then on television there were shows that tried to show that it is possible to enjoy each other regardless of what religion, spirituality, or not and have a good time.

I believe that there is a reason why there are so many religions, spiritualities, and belief systems in the world. There is a reason there are so many cultures also. It is for us to learn about them and understand them. To show that we are a creative people full of imagination that can take the best out of every culture and belief system. Let us try to do something in this manner. Take the best things out of every culture, religion, lifestyle and add them to ours. Let us not be arrogant, high ego, and negative of others just because they are different or think differently. Let us educate ourselves and take what works best for us and what doesn't work we leave out. Only then can we start promoting peace when we can accept this thinking.

Let us not say "They" are not like us. "They" didn't have a chance to be saved by God if a believer killed them first. "They" are yet to learn but instead let us learn from them and take what is good for us.

Promoting peace we should say "we" as a people! Our forefathers started their most important document with "We the people". They didn't exclude a religion or belief system. They wanted a new country even if they didn't know how it would end up today. They had a dream and started something that people in the future can challenge and improve. Martin Luther King Jr. improved the lives of many with his " I have a Dream speech". Susan B. Anthony improved the rights to vote for anyone 18 years or older. The list can goes on when "We the People" try hard to improve the lives for everyone by showing compassion and love for other ideas that practice the same method.

This is why I mention to anyone don't just read one book, but many books. There are so many interesting philosophies and belief systems in this world! Enjoy life by broadening your mind.

Now for you Christians this message isn't guided to you only, but for everyone. I know you guys get very defensive at times thinking every message is guided to Christians. It is not so. I am relaying this message for every single human being on this planet. Let us open our minds and enjoy many spiritualities, religions if necessary, and belief systems. Let us learn from each other and not provide negativity for selfish uses. We can make this planet a better place if we really work on our happiness first. If you are not happy with who you are then how can you make anyone happy? How can you suggest anything in this world if you can't be open enough to accept every human being that is just as important as yourself?

I totally agree with this. It seems quite a bit of the people don't have the consideration for that though. Take this forum for instance. It's a place to come and just casually "discuss" our different beliefs. But occasionally when one doesn't agree with the other's belief, they can't just say "well that's your belief" and leave it at that. They totally try to downgrade the other's beliefs, belittle them to nothing, and just totally try to destroy the person's beliefs. What kind of love is that? Why can't someone believe in the boogyman if they wish to? So yeah I totally agree with the "Barney Miller" show then. Cause we should all be able to respect another's beliefs. Learn of the other's beliefs maybe, and possibly try to show them your belief "not in a forceful way of course". This world would be 100% better of a place if they all got out of the "Mine's bigger then yours" mind set.

I will hold you to that and will let you know when you violate your own words as you have in the past.

Also the analogy you used is incorrect. The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them.

I have never violated this in the past nor will I ever in the future. I NEVER once have said a specific person was going to burn, miss out on heaven, or anything of such. And no my analogy is not incorrect. The boss/employee thing was merely to give an example of "chain of command". And at work the boss has entire control over the employee on such things that are associated to the work. If the employee doesn't listen, they are generally fired.

Again the correct analogy is: The boss/owner tells the employees through an employee written book and that is all who have to worry about what the boss says are these self guided employees. No one else need to worry about what the boss says because it is of no importance to them and has no effect on them.