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Everything is taken on faith except things that directly effected you and or involved you. That is why faith is such a great thing in the Christian faith. It's about what YOU have faith in. Do you have faith in we're just accidentally here? Do you have faith in that we have purpose? ect ect. Everything planned for the future is in faith. You have faith it will be possible to do your future events. The knowledge they teach you in school and or other places, you put faith in that they are true and not lies, ect ect. Cowboy I'm never claim that I know if we are accidently here of not and I'm not making up assumptions or farie Tales about how we got here.....so why would I need faith ...so is that why you need faith? |
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It existed before in the book, because if it hadn't existed it wouldn't have been in the book. Not saying all things that are in books are true, but nevertheless it is true that E=MC2 even before it existed in a book. Books are merely a gathering of information, just because something is or isn't in a book doesn't make it true or untrue. A book again is merely a collection of information. Examples: Dictionary - information on the meaning of words Bible - information on the knowledge we have of God our father who art in heaven ect ect Books just make it easier to spread knowledge to multiple people in multiple area's of the world. Much more sufficient then word of mouth. Keeps things more accurate as well. Cowboy I asked how do you know that "In The Beginning There Was The Word" Existed before there were books Because I know that history existed before they were in books, I know molecules existed before they were in books, I know EVERYTHING exists before they are in books. Things put in books are merely findings of someone(s). But that doesn't mean those findings didn't exist before that person(s) found them. Only means we had no knowledge of that till that person(s) found them. |
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Everything is taken on faith except things that directly effected you and or involved you. That is why faith is such a great thing in the Christian faith. It's about what YOU have faith in. Do you have faith in we're just accidentally here? Do you have faith in that we have purpose? ect ect. Everything planned for the future is in faith. You have faith it will be possible to do your future events. The knowledge they teach you in school and or other places, you put faith in that they are true and not lies, ect ect. Cowboy I'm never claim that I know if we are accidently here of not and I'm not making up assumptions or farie Tales about how we got here.....so why would I need faith ...so is that why you need faith? Which ever way you believe we came into existence, that knowledge is accepted on faith that they are true. You are putting faith that this belief is true. |
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no proof other than what historical references, much like most of what I learned in school of ANY history so, I rely on faith for 85 percent of my knowledge of the world,,,faith in those teaching me..that they are honest in what they teach but you claim that "In The Beginning There Were The Word" existed before it was written in the book ...so what evidence other than faith do you have that this is true ....name the source |
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It existed before in the book, because if it hadn't existed it wouldn't have been in the book. Not saying all things that are in books are true, but nevertheless it is true that E=MC2 even before it existed in a book. Books are merely a gathering of information, just because something is or isn't in a book doesn't make it true or untrue. A book again is merely a collection of information. Examples: Dictionary - information on the meaning of words Bible - information on the knowledge we have of God our father who art in heaven ect ect Books just make it easier to spread knowledge to multiple people in multiple area's of the world. Much more sufficient then word of mouth. Keeps things more accurate as well. Cowboy I asked how do you know that "In The Beginning There Was The Word" Existed before there were books Because I know that history existed before they were in books, I know molecules existed before they were in books, I know EVERYTHING exists before they are in books. Things put in books are merely findings of someone(s). But that doesn't mean those findings didn't exist before that person(s) found them. Only means we had no knowledge of that till that person(s) found them. Cowboy ......so your have no evidence beyond faith that "In The Beginning There Were The Word" existed before books.... |
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msharmony
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no proof other than what historical references, much like most of what I learned in school of ANY history so, I rely on faith for 85 percent of my knowledge of the world,,,faith in those teaching me..that they are honest in what they teach but you claim that "In The Beginning There Were The Word" existed before it was written in the book ...so what evidence other than faith do you have that this is true ....name the source simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, |
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Everything is taken on faith except things that directly effected you and or involved you. That is why faith is such a great thing in the Christian faith. It's about what YOU have faith in. Do you have faith in we're just accidentally here? Do you have faith in that we have purpose? ect ect. Everything planned for the future is in faith. You have faith it will be possible to do your future events. The knowledge they teach you in school and or other places, you put faith in that they are true and not lies, ect ect. Cowboy I'm never claim that I know if we are accidently here of not and I'm not making up assumptions or farie Tales about how we got here.....so why would I need faith ...so is that why you need faith? Which ever way you believe we came into existence, that knowledge is accepted on faith that they are true. You are putting faith that this belief is true. Cowboy..find one post where I suggested anything about how something came into existence or even cared...but anyway..is that why you need faith because you don't know how things came into existence and relying on what's written in the bible? |
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying |
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying whomever God spoke it to,,,, |
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying whomever God spoke it to,,,, so what's your evidence that God spoke to someone |
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying whomever God spoke it to,,,, so what's your evidence that God spoke to someone I have no EVIDENCE of anything that didnt directly involve me , I have faith in what I read and experience and in the documentation of what others have read and experienced I dont live by a cynical standard of needing some tangible PROOF to any and every statement or account |
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying whomever God spoke it to,,,, so what's your evidence that God spoke to someone I have no EVIDENCE of anything that didnt directly involve me , I have faith in what I read and experience and in the documentation of what others have read and experienced I dont live by a cynical standard of needing some tangible PROOF to any and every statement or account what documentation are you referring to? |
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying whomever God spoke it to,,,, so what's your evidence that God spoke to someone I have no EVIDENCE of anything that didnt directly involve me , I have faith in what I read and experience and in the documentation of what others have read and experienced I dont live by a cynical standard of needing some tangible PROOF to any and every statement or account what documentation are you referring to? this conversation has officially gone beyond ridiculous , I will leave you to it,,,, 
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[simply the knowledge that we cant experience what isnt there, if someone wrote about it, than it had to EXIST for them to write about, unless they are lying, in which case I have faith in the honesty of the authors of the bible just like I have faith in the honesty of the authors of science,,, well MsHarmony... you tell me....who existed "In The Beginning" ...and knew that it was "In The Beginning" in order to write "In The Beginning" in a book if no humans existed In The Beginning .....so would the person that wrote that be lying whomever God spoke it to,,,, so what's your evidence that God spoke to someone I have no EVIDENCE of anything that didnt directly involve me , I have faith in what I read and experience and in the documentation of what others have read and experienced I dont live by a cynical standard of needing some tangible PROOF to any and every statement or account what documentation are you referring to? this conversation has officially gone beyond ridiculous , I will leave you to it,,,, MsHarmony...you were the one that claim that you had faith in the documentation, I simply asked you what documentation you were referring to having faith in....and of course being a Christian the only thing you could have said was The Bible .... and that my friend is why is why all you know about God is what the character God reveals to you in the bible, thereby giving credence to the phrase this you know for the bible tells you so |
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Oh Dear,
What are you going to do Funches when there is no one left for you to show the way to heaven.  It seems a little like herding sheep, you just get them to the gate and one heads the other way and they all follow. |
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Everything is taken on faith except things that directly effected you and or involved you. That is why faith is such a great thing in the Christian faith. It's about what YOU have faith in. Do you have faith in we're just accidentally here? Do you have faith in that we have purpose? ect ect. Everything planned for the future is in faith. You have faith it will be possible to do your future events. The knowledge they teach you in school and or other places, you put faith in that they are true and not lies, ect ect. Cowboy I'm never claim that I know if we are accidently here of not and I'm not making up assumptions or farie Tales about how we got here.....so why would I need faith ...so is that why you need faith? Which ever way you believe we came into existence, that knowledge is accepted on faith that they are true. You are putting faith that this belief is true. Cowboy..find one post where I suggested anything about how something came into existence or even cared...but anyway..is that why you need faith because you don't know how things came into existence and relying on what's written in the bible? All anyone's knowledge they have, unless they have achieved this knowledge from first person experience takes it on faith that it is true. For instance, outside this world is nothing but a bunch of "space", some other planets, comets, and a few other things out there. How do you know this is absolutely true? Do you not put faith in that Scientists are telling the truth? Do you not put faith in that the pictures we do have are legitimate? What do you know? What do you know for SURE? What do you know that can be proven about the beginning of all life without a doubt? What do you know about the creation of the Earth without a doubt? Not even scientists do. That is why it's called THEORY of creation, THEORY of evolution, ect. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. A few things in a theory is absolutely true, the rest of the theory is just taken on assumption and .... wait for it.... guessing. |
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Oh Dear, What are you going to do Funches when there is no one left for you to show the way to heaven. retire from psychiatry ... It seems a little like herding sheep, you just get them to the gate and one heads the other way and they all follow. a couple of sheep dogs would take care of that problem |
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All anyone's knowledge they have, unless they have achieved this knowledge from first person experience takes it on faith that it is true. For instance, outside this world is nothing but a bunch of "space", some other planets, comets, and a few other things out there. How do you know this is absolutely true? Do you not put faith in that Scientists are telling the truth? Do you not put faith in that the pictures we do have are legitimate? What do you know? What do you know for SURE? What do you know that can be proven about the beginning of all life without a doubt? What do you know about the creation of the Earth without a doubt? Not even scientists do. That is why it's called THEORY of creation, THEORY of evolution, ect. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. A few things in a theory is absolutely true, the rest of the theory is just taken on assumption and .... wait for it.... guessing. Cowboy..find a post where I claim anything about believing in the theory of evolution of any of those things that you named.... believers are under the delusion that just because you don't have faith, religion, spirituality that you therefore must believe in The Theory of Evolution...Creation is nothing more than a religious version of The Big Bang Theory by you claiming that I must believe in something you therefore are trying to force your delusion of faith upon me...and this is where religion stem from people trying to turn their delusions into reality for others Faith is nothing more than the act of deluding oneself..you claim faith because they have doubt in that which you have faith in, but what you are actually trying to do is delude yourself that what you have faith is truth it's impossible to believe anything without doubt ... "to believe is to doubt"......funches 3:16 and this can be proved indisputably |
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All anyone's knowledge they have, unless they have achieved this knowledge from first person experience takes it on faith that it is true. For instance, outside this world is nothing but a bunch of "space", some other planets, comets, and a few other things out there. How do you know this is absolutely true? Do you not put faith in that Scientists are telling the truth? Do you not put faith in that the pictures we do have are legitimate? What do you know? What do you know for SURE? What do you know that can be proven about the beginning of all life without a doubt? What do you know about the creation of the Earth without a doubt? Not even scientists do. That is why it's called THEORY of creation, THEORY of evolution, ect. A theory is nothing more then an educated guess. A few things in a theory is absolutely true, the rest of the theory is just taken on assumption and .... wait for it.... guessing. Cowboy..find a post where I claim anything about believing in the theory of evolution of any of those things that you named.... believers are under the delusion that just because you don't have faith, religion, spirituality that you therefore must believe in The Theory of Evolution...Creation is nothing more than a religious version of The Big Bang Theory by you claiming that I must believe in something you therefore are trying to force your delusion of faith upon me...and this is where religion stem from people trying to turn their delusions into reality for others Faith is nothing more than the act of deluding oneself..you claim faith because they have doubt in that which you have faith in, but what you are actually trying to do is delude yourself that what you have faith is truth it's impossible to believe anything without doubt ... "to believe is to doubt"......funches 3:16 and this can be proved indisputably Never claimed you believe in the theory of creation or anything. I don't generally talk you directly in here, this is a forum for all of mingle users. My posts are for everyone, not directed at you specifically. by you claiming that I must believe in something you therefore are trying to force your delusion of faith upon me...and this is where religion stem from people trying to turn their delusions into reality for others I said no such thing. You always act like someone's trying to convert another and or change another's views. This is a forum for DISCUSSION. Just purely enlightened discussion about one's beliefs. If someone wishes to believe as such or not, is totally up to them. No one will, can, or is trying to change another person's spiritual views in here. Faith is nothing more than the act of deluding oneself..you claim faith because they have doubt in that which you have faith in, but what you are actually trying to do is delude yourself that what you have faith is truth And this was one of the reasonings I mentioned the theory of evolution and the theory of creation. Was an example to show that most everything in this world is believed on faith. Not just things associated with religion. Sorry to hear you delude yourself with thinking you'll eat tomorrow, I truly am. Or even deluding yourself that you'll make it through the day. My condolences. it's impossible to believe anything without doubt ... "to believe is to doubt"......funches 3:16 It isn't impossible to believe in something without doubt. Sorry again to hear you live your life in doubt. Why would someone believe in it, if they have doubts about it? What would be the purpose of believing in such if you didn't believe in it in the first place. What you said there is that people appear believe in a God, to purely save themselves because they are insecure about their beliefs. They don't truly believe in the belief they have, but put it up as a protection blanket or something. That's not the way it works my friend. People believe as they believe, if they have doubts I would strongly suggest finding a different view. |
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Never claimed you believe in the theory of creation or anything. I don't generally talk you directly in here, this is a forum for all of mingle users. My posts are for everyone, not directed at you specifically. Cowboy..if you claim that you don't talk to anyone specifically...then here's a word of advice...don't use the quote option to place their post into your post..... because if you do...they may become under the delusion that you are talking specifically to them |
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