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No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. so ...er....when was the last time you stoned some unruly children and adulterers to death? not since Jesus advised only those without sin to throw the stone,,,, good thing Jesus didn't say those without sin go into the temple of the money changers and cast the first pew Would not have made one difference. Jesus said this because not one person is without sin. All sins are equal. So what makes you any greater then another? What puts you on a higher level allowing you to judge another eg., casting stones at them? NOTHING does. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. |
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THOSE scriptures/laws are finished, completed, fulfilled, finalized. We not longer are to do that, so why mention it? Why say things to cause up a stir? Cowboy ...laws can not be full filled ..they can only be followed or not followed ....where do you get this stuff from? Laws themselves can not be fulfilled no. But the laws we are given only hold power for a certain amount of time. We are given laws, then we are given prophecies. The laws hold power till all prophecies are fulfilled. Then once all prophecies are fulfilled, we are given a new set of laws. That is why we no longer are under the power of the laws from the old testament. They held power until Jesus came. Jesus has come fulfilling those laws, prophecies. He then gave us new laws, new prophecies. So again, the laws Jesus gave us hold power until all prophecies are fulfilled. Show me where anywhere in the NT it says the Laws of Yahweh are done away.. T%hiers no entering the Temple after its destruction in around 70 ad so the Temple is us.. what other laws does the scriptures show are done away? Blessings..Miles |
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No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. so ...er....when was the last time you stoned some unruly children and adulterers to death? not since Jesus advised only those without sin to throw the stone,,,, good thing Jesus didn't say those without sin go into the temple of the money changers and cast the first pew Would not have made one difference. Jesus said this because not one person is without sin. All sins are equal. So what makes you any greater then another? What puts you on a higher level allowing you to judge another eg., casting stones at them? NOTHING does. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. all sin equal huh? John 19:11 11 Yahshua answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. KJV |
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No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. so ...er....when was the last time you stoned some unruly children and adulterers to death? not since Jesus advised only those without sin to throw the stone,,,, good thing Jesus didn't say those without sin go into the temple of the money changers and cast the first pew Would not have made one difference. Jesus said this because not one person is without sin. All sins are equal. So what makes you any greater then another? What puts you on a higher level allowing you to judge another eg., casting stones at them? NOTHING does. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. if everyone is equal in sin as you claim then that would also include the money changers in the temple...but yet that didn't stop Jesus from casting the first pew ... |
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There are NO conditions place anywhere for love. These aren't things to do to receive the love of God. These aren't things one must meet before receiving love either. These are instructions for YOU, has nothing to do with the love of God. If one does not do these things, that doesn't mean God doesn't love them, doesn't mean God hates them. These are simply requests from a God that loves you already. I'm glad you said they were "requests." I feel the ten commandments should be renamed "The ten suggestions." Then, our free will would still count for something. |
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There are NO conditions place anywhere for love. These aren't things to do to receive the love of God. These aren't things one must meet before receiving love either. These are instructions for YOU, has nothing to do with the love of God. If one does not do these things, that doesn't mean God doesn't love them, doesn't mean God hates them. These are simply requests from a God that loves you already. I'm glad you said they were "requests." I feel the ten commandments should be renamed "The ten suggestions." Then, our free will would still count for something. What makes you think they come with Cost? Shalom..Miles |
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There are NO conditions place anywhere for love. These aren't things to do to receive the love of God. These aren't things one must meet before receiving love either. These are instructions for YOU, has nothing to do with the love of God. If one does not do these things, that doesn't mean God doesn't love them, doesn't mean God hates them. These are simply requests from a God that loves you already. I'm glad you said they were "requests." I feel the ten commandments should be renamed "The ten suggestions." Then, our free will would still count for something. ????? I don't understand your comment. Even with it being the 10 "commandments" we still have free will. You have the freedom to do God's will or the freedom to do your own will. You have the oppurtunity, the ability, the choice. God has told us not to do certain things, we can do them or not, it is our choice. It is your choice to do whatever you wish to do with your FREE will. You're not a robot, you're not a puppet on a string. But God has also told us what happens when we do not obey him. Heaven is a REWARD. So how would one expect to be rewarded for not obeying? Doesn't really make sense if one expected to be rewarded for not obeying now does it. |
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There are NO conditions place anywhere for love. These aren't things to do to receive the love of God. These aren't things one must meet before receiving love either. These are instructions for YOU, has nothing to do with the love of God. If one does not do these things, that doesn't mean God doesn't love them, doesn't mean God hates them. These are simply requests from a God that loves you already. I'm glad you said they were "requests." I feel the ten commandments should be renamed "The ten suggestions." Then, our free will would still count for something. ????? I don't understand your comment. Even with it being the 10 "commandments" we still have free will. You have the freedom to do God's will or the freedom to do your own will. You have the oppurtunity, the ability, the choice. God has told us not to do certain things, we can do them or not, it is our choice. It is your choice to do whatever you wish to do with your FREE will. You're not a robot, you're not a puppet on a string. But God has also told us what happens when we do not obey him. Heaven is a REWARD. So how would one expect to be rewarded for not obeying? Doesn't really make sense if one expected to be rewarded for not obeying now does it. Then the ten commandments are not commandments, they are suggestions. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Tue 04/12/11 03:44 PM
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Free will is free will.
No strings attached. No bribes, no rewards, no punishments. When a God threatens us to obey him or burn in hell or die, that is not free will. That is extortion. |
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Free will is free will. No strings attached. No bribes, no rewards, no punishments. When a God threatens us to obey him or burn in hell or die, that is not free will. That is extortion. Yea with the Laws and who we Obey now our grandparents would be going nowhere sitting in Jail |
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Free will is free will. No strings attached. No bribes, no rewards, no punishments. When a God threatens us to obey him or burn in hell or die, that is not free will. That is extortion. Yea with the Laws and who we Obey now our grandparents would be going nowhere sitting in Jail Maybe your grandparents would. Mine did not extort or threaten me to obey them or else die or burn in hell. Neither did my parents. |
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No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. so ...er....when was the last time you stoned some unruly children and adulterers to death? not since Jesus advised only those without sin to throw the stone,,,, good thing Jesus didn't say those without sin go into the temple of the money changers and cast the first pew Would not have made one difference. Jesus said this because not one person is without sin. All sins are equal. So what makes you any greater then another? What puts you on a higher level allowing you to judge another eg., casting stones at them? NOTHING does. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. all sin equal huh? John 19:11 11 Yahshua answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. KJV Truly Miles. Here's another one: Matt.5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Least commandments? That implies that they aren't as important as a greater commandment. And since sin is nothing more than disobedience of commandments then sin too would need to be hierarchical. Where this notion that all sin is equal comes from I'm not sure. But if it states that in the Bible then just add it to the very long list of contradictions and inconsistencies of these stories, because as you've already pointed out, these stories even have Jesus himself speaking of a 'lesser' and 'greater' sin. So would Jesus have been unaware that all sins are equal?  Clearly this religion is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. ~~~~ Moreover, Matthew 5:19 also flies in the very face of FORGIVENESS and the idea that the blood of Jesus will wash away your sins and your sins will be forgiven. This is because in Matthew 5:19 Jesus speaks of people being 'greater' and 'lesser' in heaven based on the sins they have committed. Thus they cannot have been fully forgiven their sins if they are going to be continually held against them even in heaven. Clearly heaven itself is not going to be the "paradise" that many Christians would like, because it's obviously going to contain a hierarchical society just like on Earth where some people are deemed to be "Greater" and some people are deemed to be "lesser". This flies in the face of the idea that Jesus washes away all your sins and forgives them since he's clearly speaking here of holding them against a person in heaven. Also, according to the Christians there's no way that said person could have gotten to heaven without having accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior which qualifies a person for having their sins washed away and forgotten. So these stories are just riddled with contradiction, conflicts, and obviously made up lies. There can be no question about it. They simply shoot themselves in their own foot far too many times over. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Cowboy posted this:
1 John 3:8 (NIV) He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work. Cowboy preached this: We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. There you have it. Proof that Jesus is not greater than me, and he has no authority to judge anyone. Miles posted this: John 19:11 11 Yahshua answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. KJV So whatever all these strange contradictions mean, I guess you can see why I advocate that people should think for themselves. Besides, all crimes are not equal. There is no such thing as "sin" except inside of the religious community who tends to own that word and they define it as disobedience to God. They also state that all have sinned, all are sinners and all have fallen short of the glory of god, and that Jesus has come to destroy the devil's work. That would be all the sinners, which appears to be everybody. |
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Free will is free will. No strings attached. No bribes, no rewards, no punishments. When a God threatens us to obey him or burn in hell or die, that is not free will. That is extortion. This. It can't be free if we have the proverbial gun to our heads to choose one thing over another. |
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No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. so ...er....when was the last time you stoned some unruly children and adulterers to death? not since Jesus advised only those without sin to throw the stone,,,, good thing Jesus didn't say those without sin go into the temple of the money changers and cast the first pew Would not have made one difference. Jesus said this because not one person is without sin. All sins are equal. So what makes you any greater then another? What puts you on a higher level allowing you to judge another eg., casting stones at them? NOTHING does. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. all sin equal huh? John 19:11 11 Yahshua answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. KJV Truly Miles. Here's another one: Matt.5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Least commandments? That implies that they aren't as important as a greater commandment. And since sin is nothing more than disobedience of commandments then sin too would need to be hierarchical. Where this notion that all sin is equal comes from I'm not sure. But if it states that in the Bible then just add it to the very long list of contradictions and inconsistencies of these stories, because as you've already pointed out, these stories even have Jesus himself speaking of a 'lesser' and 'greater' sin. So would Jesus have been unaware that all sins are equal? Clearly this religion is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. ~~~~ Moreover, Matthew 5:19 also flies in the very face of FORGIVENESS and the idea that the blood of Jesus will wash away your sins and your sins will be forgiven. This is because in Matthew 5:19 Jesus speaks of people being 'greater' and 'lesser' in heaven based on the sins they have committed. Thus they cannot have been fully forgiven their sins if they are going to be continually held against them even in heaven. Clearly heaven itself is not going to be the "paradise" that many Christians would like, because it's obviously going to contain a hierarchical society just like on Earth where some people are deemed to be "Greater" and some people are deemed to be "lesser". This flies in the face of the idea that Jesus washes away all your sins and forgives them since he's clearly speaking here of holding them against a person in heaven. Also, according to the Christians there's no way that said person could have gotten to heaven without having accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior which qualifies a person for having their sins washed away and forgotten. So these stories are just riddled with contradiction, conflicts, and obviously made up lies. There can be no question about it. They simply shoot themselves in their own foot far too many times over. Furthermore, if God is all forgiving and merciful, how can there be such a thing as an unforgiveable sin? The Bible teaches that as well. |
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If you don't repent and learn from your mistakes and forgive yourself, that is the unforgivable sin.
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No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. so ...er....when was the last time you stoned some unruly children and adulterers to death? not since Jesus advised only those without sin to throw the stone,,,, good thing Jesus didn't say those without sin go into the temple of the money changers and cast the first pew Would not have made one difference. Jesus said this because not one person is without sin. All sins are equal. So what makes you any greater then another? What puts you on a higher level allowing you to judge another eg., casting stones at them? NOTHING does. We are all sinners, we have all fallen short of the glory of God. That is why Jesus said this. You are not greater then I, nor am I great then you. So if neither one of us is greater then the other, what would give us the authority to judge another? Absolutely nothing would give us that authority, nothing would give us that option, nothing would give us that righteousness of a judgment. all sin equal huh? John 19:11 11 Yahshua answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. KJV Truly Miles. Here's another one: Matt.5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Least commandments? That implies that they aren't as important as a greater commandment. And since sin is nothing more than disobedience of commandments then sin too would need to be hierarchical. Where this notion that all sin is equal comes from I'm not sure. But if it states that in the Bible then just add it to the very long list of contradictions and inconsistencies of these stories, because as you've already pointed out, these stories even have Jesus himself speaking of a 'lesser' and 'greater' sin. So would Jesus have been unaware that all sins are equal? Clearly this religion is riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies. ~~~~ Moreover, Matthew 5:19 also flies in the very face of FORGIVENESS and the idea that the blood of Jesus will wash away your sins and your sins will be forgiven. This is because in Matthew 5:19 Jesus speaks of people being 'greater' and 'lesser' in heaven based on the sins they have committed. Thus they cannot have been fully forgiven their sins if they are going to be continually held against them even in heaven. Clearly heaven itself is not going to be the "paradise" that many Christians would like, because it's obviously going to contain a hierarchical society just like on Earth where some people are deemed to be "Greater" and some people are deemed to be "lesser". This flies in the face of the idea that Jesus washes away all your sins and forgives them since he's clearly speaking here of holding them against a person in heaven. Also, according to the Christians there's no way that said person could have gotten to heaven without having accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior which qualifies a person for having their sins washed away and forgotten. So these stories are just riddled with contradiction, conflicts, and obviously made up lies. There can be no question about it. They simply shoot themselves in their own foot far too many times over. Furthermore, if God is all forgiving and merciful, how can there be such a thing as an unforgiveable sin? The Bible teaches that as well. We have our life time to choose weather we wish to worship God or not. If one deny's God their entire life, how can they ask for forgiveness? How can that sin be forgiven if they die before they get the chance to ask for it? |
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"the Temple is us.. what other laws does the scriptures show are done away? Blessings..Miles"
How is the temple us? I am not familiar with that scripture. For myself. The Temple is... the soul on the other side of my eyes. God created us all. In his own way... Gods image. |
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"the Temple is us.. what other laws does the scriptures show are done away? Blessings..Miles" How is the temple us? I am not familiar with that scripture. For myself. The Temple is... the soul on the other side of my eyes. God created us all. In his own way... Gods image. 1 Corinthians 3:16 16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? |
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Corinthians 6:19 Don’t you realize that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, who lives in you and was given to you by God? You do not belong to yourself, 20 for God bought you with a high price. So you must honor God with your body.
this could have two contextual meanings, it could refer to our PERSONAL/physical bodies or it could refer to the BODY of the church in corinthians which was being addressed I tend to think that , because the previous verses refer to sexual sin, that it would follow this verse was referring to our physical body |
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