I have faith that you two boys will still be at this for a looooong time..
I have faith in my man.
I have faith in God

Cowboy....these type of deception is why you have to ask believers to present a passage because it's clear that most do not know what's in the bible

faith is something that believers delude themselves that God has given them ...so find a passage in the bible where God claim that he gave unbelievers faith....

if you can't find a passage....then you are preaching a false gospel ....as usual

"josie"...didn't you also have faith in that ex you said that you were going to do bodily harm to?

hmmm now lets see
I had complete faith in my first husband,
the same with the second.
I still have faith in you two boys, and in god and in my man..

But Faith is something that can be destroyed and it would be silly to think it cant.

Obviously you make me question my faith in God.
But I still have it.

My hubby's destroyed my faith in them, although you can also look at faith as just foolishly believing something that you hope will turn out how you want.

As really it is all just a fairytale.

why you have faith in me...I didn't do anything to you

I have faith that you and cowboy are going to just continue on with your debate right here..That you are going to continue to amuse me..

"josie"...since that is the purpose of any forum why would you need faith ...

but anyway the reason you have faith in that other than God is due to Satan.....

simply read the definitions everyone have been posting as to what faith is...those definitions imply that faith points to the "willingness to trust" ...since Adam and Eve did not have the knowledge of evil they had no reason to not trust until they took from the fruit

therefore it was Satan that not only brought the desire to seek knowledge to man but also brought Faith to Man ..

and this is why believers should only have faith in God and not his creations....and why those that have faith in that other than God are worshipping the fruits of Satan

Oh you poor boy..
You are a great bloke, and if I put faith in you so be it..
But i put little faith in anything human, they tend to hurt, intentionally and unintentionally so there are very few people that I would have faith or trust in..

And really i have no idea where my faith should be,
I would never pretend as truth is always best,
So really at the moment the only real thing I have faith in is my man..
I have faith that god is real but nothing else as I can not debate on what is what as I dont know.

Faith boils all around you my friend. God has nothing to do with the faith that you have or don't have. Your faith is your choice. So no we don't delude ourselves with anything, for what you speak of us deluding ourselves with is not true. Faith all comes from YOU. It is again, what you wish to be true, what you have hopes in being true, and what you think is true.

sounds amazing Josie .....and in the interest of science I would like to analyze some of this substance called faith...it is a substance isn't it?... ....

but anyway I would really appreciate it if you could relay the information as to where I can find some of this faith or perhaps where I can purchase some

the hope that something is true falls into the realm of fantasy ..so faith is fantasy?

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So it's fantasy to think you'll eat later on? It's fantasy to believe you'll make it another day? It's fantasy that you'll get a job? It's fantasy that your mom will make it out of the hospital? It's fantasy to believe you'll pay next months rent?

REPENT SINNERS! THIS MEANS YOU!!
or...you ARE going to H. E. double toothpicks!!

no that's biology



no that's destiny



no that's taking responsiblity



no that medically ..."besides my mom is not in the hospital"



no that's financally ..."besides my home is paid for"

so Cowboy...so far you haven't shown how faith is anything more than you deluding yourself that your fantasies are true

You having to eat later on, getting hungry is biology yes. But you having a way to eat is not. You believing you will have the means to eat later on is purely on faith. There is absolutely no gurantee you will, for a number of possible reasons. Heck your house may burn down today and no one offers you any food ect. Yes this particular example may not happen, but it's a possibility. You have faith this will not happen.



There is no such thing as destiny. Not one of us is guranteed tomorrow or even later today. Our lives aren't preplanned. What good would our lives be, if they were preplanned with destinies? What purpose would our lives be? If it was destiny such and such was to happen, it doesn't matter what you do/did in your life it's going to happen. If our lives ran on "destinies", our lives would be pointless. We would be merely playing a roll, as if our lives were movies or something as such. Things happen to us because of the actions we have done eg., cause and effect.



You have almost no control over getting a job or not. The only real control you have over either getting a job or not is applying for jobs or not. Actually getting the job is beyond your control. So it is still on faith that you would get the job.



Again, not ment directly to you. Just hypothetical questioning. And no it's not medically, doctors don't know everything nor do they save everyone's lives. There is no guarantee that one will be healed of whatever it is they went into the hospital for. If one believes their loved one will make it through their tragedy, that is purely on faith they will. For one doesn't know if they will or not. It is beyond our control to know such a thing. Some people make it out, some people don't.



Again, just a hypothetical question. And yes it is financially. But one has faith they will be able to financially afford their payments. They have faith nothing horribly wrong will happen, which would take large funds of their money restricting them from paying the payment(s). Or they have faith they will not loose their job which would hold them back from making the payments, ect ect.



So Funches... so far you have shown you have no hope for your life, you have no hope in it continuing past this minute. Because if you do hope for it to continue past this minute, you have faith that it will.

Cowboy...that would only mean that I'm not suicidal not that I have faith or seek reasons to live...I simply live ...

remember you did say that if you didn't have faith that you wouldn't have a reason to live..which is why your faith points to you having a suicidal frame of mind ...or unhappy

You're either still not getting what faith is, or playing games. Funches, faith does not purely apply to a belief in a deity or not. Faith in general again, is merely hope, it is what YOU believe to be true.

Examples pertaining to faith:
1.You will eat again - You have absolutely no way of knowing such a thing. You could loose your job, loose income, thus becoming homeless, thus possibly starting to death.

2. You will keep your job - You have absolutely no way of knowing such a thing. Your boss may find someone they feel is more qualified for your position.

3. You will get a job - You have absolutely no way of knowing such a thing. There may be no jobs that qualify under your expertise. No one may be looking for employees at the moment. ect ect

4. You will build a family - You have absolutely no way of knowing such a thing. You may never find a woman that you love and she loves you. If you find a woman that loves you and you love her, she may not be able to have kids.

5. Reasoning for work - People work purely on faith. They work in hopes to build a better life, they have faith they will achieve this. They work in hopes to raise a family, they have faith they will be able to sustain an income to support a family.

Ect ect. The list goes on. Faith again, doesn't purely pertain to God. Faith is what you feel will or will not happen.



This statement right there shows you have faith. You simply live, that infers you live for something. Weather that something is you, possibility of building a family, or any other reasoning. Shows you have faith in that your life will amount to something, or continue to be prosperous.

Cowboy...you said that if you didn't have faith that you wouldn't have a reason to live....was that statement true or were you lying?

Cowboy you listed a whole bunch of things that require 'works' to accomplish...

Yet not one of the listed 'points' can be accomplished by 'faith'.

Are you trying to say that faith and works are the same?

They are not.

Faith is.

Works is not.

works might get one to the point of faith but Works will not happen by faith alone.

I'm not sure why Cowboy keep bringing up eating the next day as being faith since there are people in the world that have faith but yet starve to death, what's the point of having faith in the hopes that you won't starve but yet do starve ...in this example of food it displays the true nature of faith... hopelessness

and what does a job has to do with faith...create a job if you can't find one, did Jesus need faith to be a carpenter or did he learn how to cut wood and how to nail things to wood...no pun intended

so far the only thing Cowboy said about faith that makes sense is that he need it as a reason to live... because that points to his real problem that he may be suicidal