Well, I would consider someone believing "Confucius" is a god the same as "Jehovah" or "Jesus" or any other "god" that is lacking in scientific evidence. The only thing is he himself NEVER claimed to be anything but a man, at least to my knowledge.

Well if you are just going to say its god and thats that! Then why bother trying to debate this? Simply be unreasonable about it and content in your own oneness with something that is a god of your own definition. No one will argue. They will just assume your are irrational and silly.

its not polite to pray with your mouthful - hmmm? maybe she was speaking in tongues?

sorry K, couldn't resist -

He had better things to do with his time on earth then write a 10 page essay how how he created the universe.



I'm glad you can admit defeat ^_^

So you yourself concede that Confucius never professed that he was a god? So your own god denies his existence as a divinity but instead admits he was a human. Honestly I would not be considering a government sponsored philosopher as a god. Thats just me though.

Nice try, but no cigar.

You changed the definition mid-stride. It doesn't say "the Being believed to be perfect...". it says "the Being perfect..." So your statement "I believe that he is a being perfect..." has no applicability to the definition you agreed to.

In order to fit the definition you agreed to, he would have to be perfect in power, wisdom and goodness, which removes the definition from the realm of purely subjective opinion and it now falls on you to provide some objective evidence of his "perfection of power, wisdom and goodness".

(That or back out of your agreed upon definition.)

God is a name man has given to an entity we can not fully understand ! having an open mind is probably important to most evey person on this planet. There will always be those who will not give respect to simple logic, it is not there fault, they were taught to be this way from others !

We are ALL Gods and Goddesses...

I actually consider that Jesus was a human. If he existed I think he was conceived in a normal manner. No immaculate conception taking place. I dont have concrete evidence to support this of course. No one does. There are a couple reasons to surmise this however. In describing Mary, his mother, the term "alma" was used which translates to "young female". It is thought that a mistranslation occurred and alma was interpreted to mean "virgin". This was part of the cause for the Hebrews to reject Jesus as Messiah. The other theory which is a little harder to substantiate was that Mary was attacked by a Roman centurion and actually this may be the father of Jesus.

Hey, Confucius is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness, at least, to me he is.

No one is arguing that Mentork. All I was asking (cant speak for others) was that you produce some form of credible information outside of yourself that would demonstrate that others feel the same way you do and consider Confucius to be a god. Personal beliefs diverge from that idea. As Dan mentioned, we could worship a table leg in that case because to us, it was god.

I understand that. But the definition you selected requires more than subjective opinion. It requires some sort of objective evidence.

"at least to me" is not objective evidence.

God loves all of his children. He may not love everything we do, but through repentance all can be forgiven.

Proverbs 6:16-19

16: These six things doth the Lord hate: Yea, seven are an abomination unto Him.

17: A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18: An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, Feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19: A false witness that speaketh lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren.


Types of traits and actions that all would be wise to steer clear of regardless of ones beliefs.

19: A false witness that speaketh lies, And he that soweth discord among brethren.

Hmm, Christians very often seem quite skilled at not heeding this simple advice. Just an observation based on all the proselytizing and proclamations of fear, anger, hatred and impending Hell for those of us that are not interested in adhering to these beliefs or making any kind of commitment to following them.

can't argue with that, Prov 6:19 is good advice for all, especially Christians. For "Judgement" shall begin at the Pulpit.

God doesn't hate sinners FC... God DOES reserve judgement for the end, but God IS strong & mighty in His justice & mercy, & we all know His mercies endure forever. It is His will that NONE perish but all come to everlasting life.

I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.

Yes God loves everyone, even fool hearted arguementative jerrks!

Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?