Topic: Does God love sinners?
Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:32 AM
Edited by Pink_lady on Fri 10/10/08 10:47 AM


I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?



Then so be it pink......and if your fine with that....ok then.....

For me I know there is more and that's ok too....I know at least for me that most people think that if I am a decent person and I have never killed then that's all I need...which is fine...for me no.....God has a purpose with each and everyone of us....and it's great to be a kind, sweet loving person...for me God calls me to do much more...And I don't listen to anyone but "Him" I have given my life to God with all my heart all my soul and all my mind. And when he asks I listen....I think to many people want to know Him but don't take the time to really really listen.


I communicate with loved ones that have gone before me, its THEM i ask for spiritual guidance, not god.

As for knowing there is more, i agree....i practise absent healing regularly, i have a job where i use my healing qualities to help others, and basically wat im saying is, i KNOW MY CALLING, and i accept and nurture it. I AM more than just a good person, i help enlighten ppl spiritually.

Am i going to heaven?

arkdanimal's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:44 AM



I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?



Then so be it pink......and if your fine with that....ok then.....

For me I know there is more and that's ok too....I know at least for me that most people think that if I am a decent person and I have never killed then that's all I need...which is fine...for me no.....God has a purpose with each and everyone of us....and it's great to be a kind, sweet loving person...for me God calls me to do much more...And I don't listen to anyone but "Him" I have given my life to God with all my heart all my soul and all my mind. And when he asks I listen....I think to many people want to know Him but don't take the time to really really listen.


I communicate with loved ones that have gone before me, its THEM i ask for spiritual guidance, not god.

As for knowing there is more, i agree....i practise absent healing regularly, i have a job where i use my healing qualities to help others, and basically wat im saying is, i KNOW MY CALLING, and i accept and nurture it. I AM more than just a good person, i help enlighten ppl spiritually.

Am i going to heaven?
shhhhhh!!!! people will hear you!

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:46 AM


Actually Jehovah is just another name for God.....but nonetheless is "God"


So does this mean all 'gods' are the same god?

and if so, does this mean ALL the diff relgious historical writings have been written wrongly? possibly adapted, to suit the religion?




No that is not what it means.....Many people on this Planet know God....They might have another name for "Him" but all are the same. As of have said countless times...It's up to the person to learn and study to know what is real and what is not real. What is a cult and what is not. The Bible which for me is the handbook for how to live past, present, and future has never changed....The context.....the languages and such yes but the context of the word.....never. People want to always say it's just of men...But it is not....God would never let something be around as long as the Bible has without it being of "Him". And yes it was men that wrote it down...But these were of the times very very educated men. Who as I said before believed and even died for the Lord and as such when God spoke they listened....


So these men wouldve been biased from the offset then. If it had came from more objective men, then maybe things wuld be much different.


Paganism was there before christianity, but the church decided they wanted to eradicate paganism.

There is evidence to suggest that Jesus is not the biography af a historical messiah, but a myth based on perennial pagan stories.
Christianity was not a new and unique revelation, but actually a jewish adaptation of the ancient pagan mystery religion.

arkdanimal's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:47 AM
all together now,, do away with greed,,world wide!!!

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 11:14 AM
Edited by Pink_lady on Fri 10/10/08 11:16 AM

all together now,, do away with greed,,world wide!!!


Funny....thinkin of greed and hows its 1 of the 7 sins....i looked at sloth again...

Sloth (Latin, acedia)

Main article: Sloth (deadly sin)

More than other sins, the definition of sloth has changed considerably since its original inclusion among the seven deadly sins. In fact it was first called the sin of sadness or despair. It had been in the early years of Christianity characterized by what modern writers would now describe as melancholy: apathy, depression, and joylessness — the last being viewed as being a refusal to enjoy the goodness of God and the world he created. Originally, its place was fulfilled by two other aspects, acedia and sadness. The former described a spiritual apathy that affected the faithful by discouraging them from their religious work. Sadness (tristitia in Latin) described a feeling of dissatisfaction or discontent, which caused unhappiness with one's current situation. When Thomas Aquinas selected acedia for his list, he described it as an "uneasiness of the mind", being a progenitor for lesser sins such as restlessness and instability. Dante refined this definition further, describing sloth as being the "failure to love God with all one's heart, all one's mind and all one's soul." He also described it as the middle sin, and as such was the only sin characterised by an absence or insufficiency of love. In his "Purgatorio", the slothful penitents were made to run continuously at top speed.

Now, this makes me angry, and lemme explain why...

Mental health isnt make believe, its conditions of the brain....YET...god apparently MADE us, so he gave ppl who suffer depression, their brains, no? yet is it a sin to feel depressed?

Over time, it goes from sadness and despair (which i might add is in our emotions, which we r not in control of) to "failure to love God with all one's heart, all one's mind and all one's soul." can anyone see how much it has evolved?

Doesnt wash with me.

Sorry, a lil off topic, but i just wanted to share my thoughts!

Plainome's photo
Fri 10/10/08 07:17 PM

God's many names


EL, ELOAH: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Genesis 7:1; Isaiah 9:6) – Etymologically, El appears to mean power, as in “I have the power to harm you” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of might remains.

ELOHIM: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – The plural form of Eloah, which is accommodating of the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – Speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.

ADONAI: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – Used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – Strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH: "The Lord will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – The name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from diseases, and by curing them when afflicted with them and in soul, by pardoning their iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, could cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – The name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – Combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

YAHWEH-ROHI: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH: "The Lord is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – The name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).

YAHWEH-SABAOTH: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – “Hosts” means hordes, both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven, and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that he is able to accomplish what he determines to do.

EL ELYON: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – Derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.

EL ROI: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – The name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14), when she met the Angel of the Lord and realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.

EL-OLAM: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time and contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”

EL-GIBHOR: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – The name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15).

But guess what folks.....All the same God.....want Jesus' many names also....


You people crack me up.


I noticed you only quoted the "Jewish" names for "God". So, if they have so many names for him, why is it that other cultures and other peoples names for him are wrong and their's right?? Why are their "stories" fact while others' are simply "myth"?

Plainome's photo
Fri 10/10/08 07:17 PM


all together now,, do away with greed,,world wide!!!


Funny....thinkin of greed and hows its 1 of the 7 sins....i looked at sloth again...

Sloth (Latin, acedia)

Main article: Sloth (deadly sin)

More than other sins, the definition of sloth has changed considerably since its original inclusion among the seven deadly sins. In fact it was first called the sin of sadness or despair. It had been in the early years of Christianity characterized by what modern writers would now describe as melancholy: apathy, depression, and joylessness — the last being viewed as being a refusal to enjoy the goodness of God and the world he created. Originally, its place was fulfilled by two other aspects, acedia and sadness. The former described a spiritual apathy that affected the faithful by discouraging them from their religious work. Sadness (tristitia in Latin) described a feeling of dissatisfaction or discontent, which caused unhappiness with one's current situation. When Thomas Aquinas selected acedia for his list, he described it as an "uneasiness of the mind", being a progenitor for lesser sins such as restlessness and instability. Dante refined this definition further, describing sloth as being the "failure to love God with all one's heart, all one's mind and all one's soul." He also described it as the middle sin, and as such was the only sin characterised by an absence or insufficiency of love. In his "Purgatorio", the slothful penitents were made to run continuously at top speed.

Now, this makes me angry, and lemme explain why...

Mental health isnt make believe, its conditions of the brain....YET...god apparently MADE us, so he gave ppl who suffer depression, their brains, no? yet is it a sin to feel depressed?

Over time, it goes from sadness and despair (which i might add is in our emotions, which we r not in control of) to "failure to love God with all one's heart, all one's mind and all one's soul." can anyone see how much it has evolved?

Doesnt wash with me.

Sorry, a lil off topic, but i just wanted to share my thoughts!



I did not know this, thx ~L~, I feel the same exact way you do.

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Fri 10/10/08 07:32 PM
So this is just the personal perspective of one of the willingly unsaved.....

Sure God loves sinners....(I am only going by my references of what I was taught)

Jesus (God's proxy in the physical world) hung out with fishermen (a foul mouthed hard working lot), a tax collector (What?...like you would trust one!), and a hooker (no need to expound on that)....

Those were his running buddies. Unless I misread that book (several hundred times) Jesus apparently didnt have a problem with less than idealic people....Not my place to put them down....my problem is with the pious righteous...(I guess that started with the Pharasee's...thier type continues to this day)

arkdanimal's photo
Sat 10/11/08 12:15 AM
Greed breeds bad deeds!

Krimsa's photo
Sat 10/11/08 02:40 AM
I like that term.

"Willingly Unsaved" Thats brilliant Krupa. drinker

arkdanimal's photo
Sat 10/11/08 03:33 AM
unsaved from what?

Pink_lady's photo
Sat 10/11/08 03:45 AM

Greed breeds bad deeds!



Ark, u keep mentioning greed, and i wanted to ask you why?


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Sat 10/11/08 03:50 AM
Greed was the basis for lucifer wanting to be God. It is the very basis for all of evil. When people act on it it causes things like wars, failing economy's, distrust, etc..So like I say, Greed breeds bad deeds!

Krimsa's photo
Sat 10/11/08 03:52 AM
Oh I thought according to you Ark, "Muslim Extremists who misinterpret the bible" were the root cause of all the evil in the world.

arkdanimal's photo
Sat 10/11/08 03:54 AM
nope, still wondering why you think that, actually no I'm not wondering, I probably know why you say the things you do, so I can be entertained! thanks!

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Sat 10/11/08 03:55 AM
Edited by Pink_lady on Sat 10/11/08 03:58 AM

Greed was the basis for lucifer wanting to be God. It is the very basis for all of evil. When people act on it it causes things like wars, failing economy's, distrust, etc..So like I say, Greed breeds bad deeds!


And wat does that have to do with god loving a sinner? which he clearly does.

So, greed is about wanting more...not being happy with wat u have. Could we then not call god greedy, for wanting more ppl to follow him?

Is there anything to prove, that if we dont follow god, we r following the devil?

Imo, the church is the greediest of all.....adapting the bible to wat THEY wanted ppl to believe, cheating ppl of the truth in order to have their loyalty.


Yeh, greed isnt good.

Krimsa's photo
Sat 10/11/08 04:00 AM

nope, still wondering why you think that, actually no I'm not wondering, I probably know why you say the things you do, so I can be entertained! thanks!


Well you made the comment (not on this thread) and I asked you to explain your remarks several times. You have yet to do so. In that case, I am left with the actual statement to speak for itself. You feel that Muslims are misinterpreting the bible and believe the poor innocent Christians to be evil so this is why they plan terrorist attacks on domestic soil.

If that was not the intended meaning behind your comment, you now have the floor to explain yourself.

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Sat 10/11/08 04:02 AM


Greed was the basis for lucifer wanting to be God. It is the very basis for all of evil. When people act on it it causes things like wars, failing economy's, distrust, etc..So like I say, Greed breeds bad deeds!


And wat does that have to do with god loving a sinner? which he clearly does.

So, greed is about wanting more...not being happy with wat u have. Could we then not call god greedy, for wanting more ppl to follow him?

Is there anything to prove, that if we dont follow god, we r following the devil?

Imo, the church is the greediest of all.....adapting the bible to wat THEY wanted ppl to believe, cheating ppl of the truth in order to have their loyalty.


Yeh, greed isnt good.
You'll have to realize that the "church" is christ's follower's. Not some big organized club/religion that only claims to follow his teachings. There are probably very few actual christians in the world today. But that is OK, we are saved by grace, not by works!

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Sat 10/11/08 04:02 AM
If that was not the intended meaning behind your comment, you now have the floor to explain yourself.


This is why there is no credibility to his posts.....its statements without reasoning.

THIS entertains me.

Pink_lady's photo
Sat 10/11/08 04:04 AM
Edited by Pink_lady on Sat 10/11/08 04:09 AM



Greed was the basis for lucifer wanting to be God. It is the very basis for all of evil. When people act on it it causes things like wars, failing economy's, distrust, etc..So like I say, Greed breeds bad deeds!


And wat does that have to do with god loving a sinner? which he clearly does.

So, greed is about wanting more...not being happy with wat u have. Could we then not call god greedy, for wanting more ppl to follow him?

Is there anything to prove, that if we dont follow god, we r following the devil?

Imo, the church is the greediest of all.....adapting the bible to wat THEY wanted ppl to believe, cheating ppl of the truth in order to have their loyalty.


Yeh, greed isnt good.
You'll have to realize that the "church" is christ's follower's. Not some big organized club/religion that only claims to follow his teachings. There are probably very few actual christians in the world today. But that is OK, we are saved by grace, not by works!


So if there is only a few ACTUAL christians, how come the church make so much money out of ppl who r christians who make regular donations to the church? r u saying these ppl r being ripped off?

Do u think Jesus would be impressed by the wealth of the church?

Do u think he would be impressed by the way they have changed the bible to suit themselves?

I think not.

The church is worth billions, does that not go against everything that Jesus was trying to convey considering we have third world countries who have no money at all?