Topic: Does God love sinners?
arkdanimal's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:14 AM

I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?





I have had the unfortunate experiance of being in the presence of several people as they passed away, self included, they ALL have one common line, they cry out to God!

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:17 AM


I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?





I have had the unfortunate experiance of being in the presence of several people as they passed away, self included, they ALL have one common line, they cry out to God!


Wat, u passed away too???!!

I have only been with 1 person as they passed, but they didnt cry out to god, in fact, god wasnt mentioned?

tribo's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:18 AM
Edited by tribo on Fri 10/10/08 09:20 AM

I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?







well Pink, the christian will point out what "standard" you are using as to the word good. In other words - who are you or others comparing yourself to as to what you consider "GOOD". If the comparison is between you and others you consider good [meaning if that's your standard] then it's a faulty comparison, it's like to models or makes of cars comparing themselves with each other,[if that were possible], it's pointless, at any time this comparative person could be put into a situation where their normal goodness would be put to the test and they find themselves doing things they would otherwise not do in there normal circumstances. So christians use an all perfect god to compare all else to - if you fall short of this perfectness then you are not considered "good" and therefore need god's grace through christ atonement to be able to be in the eternal presence of this god some day.

arkdanimal's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:21 AM



I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?





I have had the unfortunate experiance of being in the presence of several people as they passed away, self included, they ALL have one common line, they cry out to God!


Wat, u passed away too???!!

I have only been with 1 person as they passed, but they didnt cry out to god, in fact, god wasnt mentioned?
blah.blah...blah.blah...blah.blah...I love the gift of discernment,,makes it so easy to identify the spirits! have a nice day!

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:33 AM


I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?







well Pink, the christian will point out what "standard" you are using as to the word good. In other words - who are you or others comparing yourself to as to what you consider "GOOD". If the comparison is between you and others you consider good [meaning if that's your standard] then it's a faulty comparison, it's like to models or makes of cars comparing themselves with each other,[if that were possible], it's pointless, at any time this comparative person could be put into a situation where their normal goodness would be put to the test and they find themselves doing things they would otherwise not do in there normal circumstances. So christians use an all perfect god to compare all else to - if you fall short of this perfectness then you are not considered "good" and therefore need god's grace through christ atonement to be able to be in the eternal presence of this god some day.


To me there is no difference between religious goodness, and non-religious goodness.

Basically, it will always fall back to not believing in god. Imo,If god discriminates against ppl for not following him, then he hasnt earned the right to be called god.

IF there is a god, to me, his love would be UNCONDITIONAL, and if he sees u have always been a good person and done ur best, then he will still love u even if u dont believe in him. Thats why its called UNCONDITIONAL love, and thats why he gave us freewill and the ability to seek answers for ourselves.

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:34 AM




I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?





I have had the unfortunate experiance of being in the presence of several people as they passed away, self included, they ALL have one common line, they cry out to God!


Wat, u passed away too???!!

I have only been with 1 person as they passed, but they didnt cry out to god, in fact, god wasnt mentioned?
blah.blah...blah.blah...blah.blah...I love the gift of discernment,,makes it so easy to identify the spirits! have a nice day!


Would you like to elaborate?

arkdanimal's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:46 AM





I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?





I have had the unfortunate experiance of being in the presence of several people as they passed away, self included, they ALL have one common line, they cry out to God!


Wat, u passed away too???!!

I have only been with 1 person as they passed, but they didnt cry out to god, in fact, god wasnt mentioned?
blah.blah...blah.blah...blah.blah...I love the gift of discernment,,makes it so easy to identify the spirits! have a nice day!


Would you like to elaborate?
no

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 09:50 AM






I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?





I have had the unfortunate experiance of being in the presence of several people as they passed away, self included, they ALL have one common line, they cry out to God!


Wat, u passed away too???!!

I have only been with 1 person as they passed, but they didnt cry out to god, in fact, god wasnt mentioned?
blah.blah...blah.blah...blah.blah...I love the gift of discernment,,makes it so easy to identify the spirits! have a nice day!


Would you like to elaborate?
no


Ok, well u wont mind if i dont take anything outta ur post then.
Anyhoo, i have HAD a good day, thanks, u have a good day also.

feralcatlady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:13 AM




Just like the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is a god, and just like Jehovah is a god.


And the table leg



Actually Jehovah is just another name for God.....but nonetheless is "God"



Confucius 551 BC - 479 BC) was a Chinese thinker and social philosopher, whose teachings and philosophy have deeply influenced Chinese, Korean, Japanese, and Vietnamese thought and life.


feralcatlady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:15 AM
Edited by feralcatlady on Fri 10/10/08 10:24 AM

And the table leg

Yep


"In the beginning, Confucius created the universe."

where do you get this from?

Someone had do do it, and Confucius is the only guy around with super powers.

but i cannot expect others to believe it with out evidence of some kind to show why or how he is a god.


I don't know about that, people will believe some crazy crap ;)

What proof did Muhammad have other then his own word?


Sorry sweets but God is not like superman with super powers....God is God the creator of the Universe....and Confucius was not.....But does that mean that you can't believe him to be your god...nope





feralcatlady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:20 AM
God's many names


EL, ELOAH: God "mighty, strong, prominent" (Genesis 7:1; Isaiah 9:6) – Etymologically, El appears to mean power, as in “I have the power to harm you” (Genesis 31:29). El is associated with other qualities, such as integrity (Numbers 23:19), jealousy (Deuteronomy 5:9), and compassion (Nehemiah 9:31), but the root idea of might remains.

ELOHIM: God “Creator, Mighty and Strong” (Genesis 17:7; Jeremiah 31:33) – The plural form of Eloah, which is accommodating of the doctrine of the Trinity. From the Bible’s first sentence, the superlative nature of God’s power is evident as God (Elohim) speaks the world into existence (Genesis 1:1).

EL SHADDAI: “God Almighty,” “The Mighty One of Jacob” (Genesis 49:24; Psalm 132:2,5) – Speaks to God’s ultimate power over all.

ADONAI: “Lord” (Genesis 15:2; Judges 6:15) – Used in place of YHWH, which was thought by the Jews to be too sacred to be uttered by sinful men. In the Old Testament, YHWH is more often used in God’s dealings with His people, while Adonai is used more when He deals with the Gentiles.

YHWH / YAHWEH / JEHOVAH: “LORD” (Deuteronomy 6:4; Daniel 9:14) – Strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. Translated in English Bibles “LORD” (all capitals) to distinguish it from Adonai “Lord.” The revelation of the name is first given to Moses “I Am who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). This name specifies an immediacy, a presence. Yahweh is present, accessible, near to those who call on Him for deliverance (Psalm 107:13), forgiveness (Psalm 25:11) and guidance (Psalm 31:3).

YAHWEH-JIREH: "The Lord will Provide" (Genesis 22:14) – The name memorialized by Abraham when God provided the ram to be sacrificed in place of Isaac.

YAHWEH-RAPHA: "The Lord Who Heals" (Exodus 15:26) – “I am Jehovah who heals you” both in body and soul. In body, by preserving from diseases, and by curing them when afflicted with them and in soul, by pardoning their iniquities.

YAHWEH-NISSI: "The Lord Our Banner" (Exodus 17:15), where banner is understood to be a rallying place. This name commemorates the desert victory over the Amalekites in Exodus 17.

YAHWEH-M'KADDESH: "The Lord Who Sanctifies, Makes Holy" (Leviticus 20:8; Ezekiel 37:28) – God makes it clear that He alone, not the law, could cleanse His people and make them holy.

YAHWEH-SHALOM: "The Lord Our Peace" (Judges 6:24) – The name given by Gideon to the altar he built after the Angel of the Lord assured him he would not die as he thought he would after seeing Him.

YAHWEH-ELOHIM: "LORD God" (Genesis 2:4; Psalm 59:5) – Combination of God’s unique name YHWH and the generic “Lord,” signifying that He is the Lord of Lords.

YAHWEH-TSIDKENU: "The Lord Our Righteousness” (Jeremiah 33:16) – As with YHWH-M’Kaddesh, it is God alone who provides righteousness to man, ultimately in the person of His Son, Jesus Christ, who became sin for us “that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him” (2 Corinthians 5:21).

YAHWEH-ROHI: "The Lord Our Shepherd" (Psalm 23:1) – After David pondered his relationship as a shepherd to his sheep, he realized that was exactly the relationship God had with him, and so he declares “Yahweh-Rohi is my Shepherd. I shall not want” (Psalm 23:1).

YAHWEH-SHAMMAH: "The Lord is There” (Ezekiel 48:35) – The name ascribed to Jerusalem and the Temple there, indicating that the once departed glory of the Lord (Ezekiel 8—11) had returned (Ezekiel 44:1-4).

YAHWEH-SABAOTH: "The Lord of Hosts" (Isaiah 1:24; Psalm 46:7) – “Hosts” means hordes, both of angels and of men. He is Lord of the host of heaven, and of the inhabitants of the earth, of Jews and Gentiles, of rich and poor, master and slave. The name is expressive of the majesty, power, and authority of God and shows that he is able to accomplish what he determines to do.

EL ELYON: “Most High" (Deuteronomy 26:19) – Derived from the Hebrew root for “go up” or “ascend,” so the implication is of that which is the very highest. El Elyon denotes exaltation and speaks of absolute right to lordship.

EL ROI: "God of Seeing" (Genesis 16:13) – The name ascribed to God by Hagar, alone and desperate in the wilderness after being driven out by Sarah (Genesis 16:1-14), when she met the Angel of the Lord and realized she had seen God Himself in a theophany. She realized that El Roi saw her in her distress and testified that He is a God who lives and sees all.

EL-OLAM: "Everlasting God" (Psalm 90:1-3) – God’s nature is without beginning or end, free from all constraints of time and contains within Himself the very cause of time itself. “From everlasting to everlasting, You are God.”

EL-GIBHOR: “Mighty God” (Isaiah 9:6) – The name describing the Messiah, Christ Jesus, in this prophetic portion of Isaiah. As a powerful and mighty warrior, the Messiah, the Mighty God, will accomplish the destruction of God’s enemies and rule with a rod of iron (Revelation 19:15).

But guess what folks.....All the same God.....want Jesus' many names also....


You people crack me up.

arkdanimal's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:20 AM


And the table leg

Yep


"In the beginning, Confucius created the universe."

where do you get this from?

Someone had do do it, and Confucius is the only guy around with super powers.

but i cannot expect others to believe it with out evidence of some kind to show why or how he is a god.


I don't know about that, people will believe some crazy crap ;)

What proof did Muhammad have other then his own word?


Sorry sweets but God is not like superman with super powers....God is God the creator of the Universe....and Confucius was was not.....





confusing an issue is satans biggest trick!

tribo's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:21 AM



I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?







well Pink, the christian will point out what "standard" you are using as to the word good. In other words - who are you or others comparing yourself to as to what you consider "GOOD". If the comparison is between you and others you consider good [meaning if that's your standard] then it's a faulty comparison, it's like to models or makes of cars comparing themselves with each other,[if that were possible], it's pointless, at any time this comparative person could be put into a situation where their normal goodness would be put to the test and they find themselves doing things they would otherwise not do in there normal circumstances. So christians use an all perfect god to compare all else to - if you fall short of this perfectness then you are not considered "good" and therefore need god's grace through christ atonement to be able to be in the eternal presence of this god some day.


To me there is no difference between religious goodness, and non-religious goodness.

Basically, it will always fall back to not believing in god. Imo,If god discriminates against ppl for not following him, then he hasnt earned the right to be called god.

IF there is a god, to me, his love would be UNCONDITIONAL, and if he sees u have always been a good person and done ur best, then he will still love u even if u dont believe in him. Thats why its called UNCONDITIONAL love, and thats why he gave us freewill and the ability to seek answers for ourselves.


laugh I'm not saying your wrong my lady, i'm not a believer, i was just throwing out what i had been previously taught when in the system. - flowerforyou

Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:22 AM
Actually Jehovah is just another name for God.....but nonetheless is "God"


So does this mean all 'gods' are the same god?

and if so, does this mean ALL the diff relgious historical writings have been written wrongly? possibly adapted, to suit the religion?


feralcatlady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:24 AM
Edited by feralcatlady on Fri 10/10/08 10:31 AM
Then so be it pink......and if your fine with that....ok then.....

For me I know there is more and that's ok too....I know at least for me that most people think that if I am a decent person and I have never killed then that's all I need...which is fine...for me no.....God has a purpose with each and everyone of us....and it's great to be a kind, sweet loving person...for me God calls me to do much more...And I don't listen to anyone but "Him" I have given my life to God with all my heart all my soul and all my mind. And when he asks I listen....I think to many people want to know Him but don't take the time to really really listen.





I would not want to force anything on anyone.. There are those who will find their way to peace with God's help...regarding ALL their questions.

I'n not into 'religion" but I am into a repented life & found MANY good people along the way. Even with questions, backslidings, & thoughts of defeat, God always managed to lead me down the right path.

I'll tell you this... It's not enough to be a "good" person. I think many are finding that out.


Wat about those ppl who feel they have found their peace without god?

And also....why is it not enough to be just a good person?












Krimsa's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:24 AM
Ooooo, the spooky "Christian Matrix" They are living in an evangelical parallel world.:tongue:

splendidlife's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:24 AM

Yes God loves everyone, even fool hearted arguementative jerrks!


For God does SO love you.
:heart:

tribo's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:27 AM


Yes God loves everyone, even fool hearted arguementative jerrks!


For God does SO love you.
:heart:



laugh ahhh, a woman after my own heart - :heart:


Pink_lady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:27 AM
laugh I'm not saying your wrong my lady, i'm not a believer, i was just throwing out what i had been previously taught when in the system. - flowerforyou


Sorry Tribo, that wasnt me debating with you! just responding to ur post! (which i enjoy!)

feralcatlady's photo
Fri 10/10/08 10:30 AM

Actually Jehovah is just another name for God.....but nonetheless is "God"


So does this mean all 'gods' are the same god?

and if so, does this mean ALL the diff relgious historical writings have been written wrongly? possibly adapted, to suit the religion?




No that is not what it means.....Many people on this Planet know God....They might have another name for "Him" but all are the same. As of have said countless times...It's up to the person to learn and study to know what is real and what is not real. What is a cult and what is not. The Bible which for me is the handbook for how to live past, present, and future has never changed....The context.....the languages and such yes but the context of the word.....never. People want to always say it's just of men...But it is not....God would never let something be around as long as the Bible has without it being of "Him". And yes it was men that wrote it down...But these were of the times very very educated men. Who as I said before believed and even died for the Lord and as such when God spoke they listened....