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the veil in the Holy Bible
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With this logic One would think that a man would have to shave his head for as often as he needs to pray. *************************************************************************************************************************************** If I were You, CowboyGH... I'd get some other translations of these verses other than the paraphrased verses You're presently trying to make sense with. 1 Corinthians 11 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. Seems like you're correct Sheik :) These verse are not referring to specifically just any ole day. They are speaking of when preaching, prophesying, praying ect. That's why it says if the woman is shaven for her to cover her head. But again, just cultural regulations. |
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Idolatry
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If Your official answer is God The Father is a separate Being from Jesus The Son, and they're, 'One In Their Purpose Of Advancing Righteousness'... That would be an acceptable start. Matthew 3:17 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And any reference from Jesus bout "his father" would essentially be a lie if they were one in the same being. Maybe not a "lie" specifically, but would be deceptive with the reference of "his father". |
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Idolatry
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CowboyGH, You like to say 'Father and Son are one', but You go back -and-forth on the simple question of whether-or-not they are One Being or One Joint Pair. This is You vacillation. You've been called-out on this on several occasions in the past and every time it's the same flip-flop on Your answer. I'm sorry you got confused on that Sheik. Jesus says "The father and I are one"... the word(s) translated into that are referring to wills, desires, intentions, ect. Don't have any links off the top of my head, but if you don't believe me.. search the internet. He did not say he was his father, nor his father him but that they were "one"... they don't "argue, disagree, or think differently then one another". And I never flip-flopped my answer, sorry you've misunderstood something somewhere along the road here in our discussions. |
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the veil in the Holy Bible
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You're forgetting this letter is addressed to Gentiles in Corinth Greece. This is not specifically a Jewish custom. *********************************************************************************************************************************** You've gotta be reading a paraphrased Bible again... Your quotes are really messed-up. Ok, it may not be a "Jewish" custom or whatever custom it is doesn't matter. All I'm stating, is that's a cultural custom.. not an instruction from God. No where in the scriptures does it say that a woman should have their head covered when praying. At least not in the NT as that's what we're referencing... "Christians". This specific verse(s) say "if this" "if that"... there is no where it states something of such as "woman shall have her head covered when praying" and no more talk on it as a direct instruction for it to be.... these verses say again "if a woman this" "if a woman that" We are told to obey man's law as well, believe this is where this specific information would lay for again it says - 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. "But if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven"... Saying if it's a shame for the woman to be shaved then she should wear a veil over her head to hide her shaven head. The "but if" in the instruction shows plainly it's a custom and not a direct law from God. |
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Topic:
Well fire and brimstone
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We will all go to hell one day, unless we happen to be living on Earth when Jesus returns. Hell is nothing more then the grave. And is why -
Revelation 20:13 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Note "hell gave up it's dead to be judged for their works". "Hell" is not our punishment, it's merely the grave. And this can be seen in the context of the verse, it states the dead in the sea will be given up "water" and the dead in hell will be given up "dirt/grave". Telling us everyone throughout the world will be judged according to their works. |
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Idolatry
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And, nothing has changed... Same old vacillations and switch-backs on a dogma. What are you talking about? What "vacillations"? Vacillation = the inability to decide between different opinions or actions; indecision What has been indecisive on my part for you to claim it's vacillated? |
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the veil in the Holy Bible
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Did You actually read the previous mentioned scriptures ? Yes sir, did you? 6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. Why would it be talking about hats, veils, ect then out of the blue speak of a woman to be "shorn or shaven" if it wasn't head hair in reference in the first place? Again, this is CUSTOMS of that culture, not instruction specifically from God. As for it states "if a woman not be covered, let her also be.." BUT IF it be a shame for a woman... ect ect... Jewish customs my friend, customs. Not laws. |
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the veil in the Holy Bible
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We are using the same scriptures and coming up with two different idea's. I think the covering on a woman is long hair, you seem to think it is a veil or bonnet. That part really doesn't matter to me. What I think is important is, when people take things out of context religion gets twisted pretty fast. Okay, but how often is it the assumption that a woman has short hair or is bald just because she's wearing a head covering ? Isn't it the vainglorious act of displaying the extravagant hair the potential distraction ? (It Would Help Prevent Split-Ends And Fly-Away Hair Too) **************************************************************************************************************************************** Perhaps Cheechako and CowboyGH both need to read what is just before these verses. (1st Corinthians 11: 4-6) Nothing here implying extravagant hair is somehow sufficient as the head covering for prayer. Who ever said anything about a "head covering" as in a hat, thing you have on your head in your display pic, or other? Says for her head to be covered, and it shows it's context when it also references the man in which it specifically states hair. They are talking about the SAME thing. It's saying a woman should have long hair and not to cut it short, have her head "covered" by her hair. |
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Topic:
the seven...
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If one avoids the Greater Sins, the Lesser sins shall be overlooked. God, the Almighty, by His grace, excuses the Lesser sins. A person, who commits a Greater Sin and does not repent for it, is a transgressor. He cannot lead a prayer assembly. His testimony is unacceptable. After death, he is liable for Divine punishment. By the Grace of God such a person may yet get salvation; and the Grace of God that can make this possible is the intercession of Prophets. Where in the scriptures, original, torah, or the holy bible is there ever mention of a sin being greater then another sin and some being a lesser on a "Well I'd rather you not do this, but ah no problem" kind of level? There is only one sin that is stated at a different level then the other's. And that is denying the Lord thy God. Matthew 10:33 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. |
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Idolatry
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No argument here, Pansytilly... In-short, Cowboy GH's assumption about technical definition of the Anglo-Saxon word 'God' or the Teutonic word 'Gott' isn't a singular Being... For him it's a collective of Spirit-Souls united in a nirvana of oneness. (At Least I Think That's What He Is Thinking... I might be wrong, but I don't want to discus it further) Not entirely correct. They are one God for Jesus says "The father and I are one". "God" is a word used to show someone(s) of authority, thus why we are only referred to as gods eg., know ye not that ye are gods, but never the animals. And yet it goes further in creation it states that man was given the "dominion" over the beasts of the world. Dominion - sovereignty; control God - 1. a person or thing of supreme value 2. a powerful ruler We are the "rulers" of the beasts of this world, thus making us their "gods", thus why God states that he gave man dominion over the beasts. But at the end of the day, there is only ONE God. For we have dominion over the beasts of this world, but Jesus Christ has dominion over us. I said specifically just Jesus for again Jesus and his father are "one". They don't argue, they don't do things differently. They don't act in separate ways, they work as "one" thus one doesn't have authority over the other. And please don't get this confused with things Jesus states throughout the scriptures such as "I do not my own will, but the father for he is greater". You have to keep things in context, while Jesus was here on Earth he was here to fulfill a covenant he made with us and to give us a new. He was here as a "servant", he didn't come in his glory. Thus him coming in the form of a servant, he referenced his father as "God". |
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the veil in the Holy Bible
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Relax... ! You've just got to 'point-out' the one little point that isn't compatible among what should be a prerequisite among Christian congregations to the same extent that it currently is in a Mosque for example. Once more... "What's wrong with women covering their heads during prayer ?" (1st Corinthians 11: 7-16) (1st Corinthians 11: 7-16) These verses are not at all speaking of a "veil". It is specifically speaking of her hair covering her head which is shown directly in the context of verses 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. And this verse doesn't directly it is sinful or necessarily wrong for a man to have long hair which is shown in the following verse 16But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God. These are cultural "customs" not a direct statement from God for it to be as such. Contentious - causing or likely to cause an argument; controversial A law directly from God would not include "But if any man seem to be likely to argue about it, it's ok. It would state it plainly for it to be either way. |
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Topic:
Sin
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There is no such thing as a "life choice" you either do it or you donât. You actively support the Gay life style just by agreeing with it and not calling it what it is; a sin. You donât condemn or deprive anyone for any sin that is for God to do, but you donât brag about sin. We have to stay close to God for guidance. There is no such thing as equal rights to sin, we all do it. All we can do is try to be the best influence we can. If you know youâre sinning by what youâre doing and keep on doing it, youâre ignoring God and every one that agrees with you is ignoring God also. - You actively support the Gay life style just by agreeing with it and not calling it what it is; a sin. = 1 Corinthians 6:9 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals,[a] nor sodomites - You donât condemn or deprive anyone for any sin that is for God to do, but you donât brag about sin = Matthew 7:7 7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? |
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the seven...
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i've noticed a lot of issues crop up blaming religion for world problems. it seems useless to argue in favor of or against the favor of one vs another in terms of common sense of decency. human nature is what makes us what we are, not religion per se. as if removing religion will REALLY solve anything... we are all sinners, and we have all been subjected to another's sins, whether we believe in sin or not. --seven sins-- anger / wrath / rage / fury envy / covetousness / jealousy gluttony / overindulgence greed / avarice lust / lechery / pride / vanity / vainglory sloth / laziness / discouragement / depression personally, i think greed is the worst... -------------------------------------------------------- now on the flipside, we are also capable of righteousness. the kind where it speaks for itself and can inspire good. --seven virtues-- chastity / wholesomeness diligence / steadfastness / integrity generosity / selflessness / benevolence humility / respectfulness kindness / charity / compassion patience / forbearance / endurance temperence / mindfulness / self-control i think kindness goes the longest way in all of these... You are right that "greed" is the worst, as it is the root of all evil so to speak. I know the scriptures itself specifically say "money" is, but all in all, it's the desire to have that which we speak of. Thus we have the evolved word "Greed". - Greed = intense and selfish desire for something, expecially weatlth power, or food. So in order to gain the "greedy" things, one would be less chastised, diligent, generous, humility, kind, patient, or temper mannered because they would be self focused and not worried bout the people or community around them, thus showing less love to people in general. |
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Topic:
Why God chose us?
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Guys, have you heard that ONLY a limited number of people will be saved. All other people will perish after the coming Judgement Day because "punishment for sin is DEATH". This is the Holy Law of God. Now ponder: (1) Why did God choose some people to be saved? (2) Why you did NOT choose God to be saved? (3) Is it fair to save only a limited number of people? Any ideas? Just wanted to ask: Are you certain that you have typed 'that' point (numbered as (2)) correctly? I mean, is 'that' really what you wanted to ask, or should 'that' question been framed as: Why GOD did not choose 'you' to be saved? Could you please 'clarify'? Those that are "saved" was not "chosen" so to speak. They "chose" God in their life, so God will choose them after their "life" on Earth. |
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Why God chose us?
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Who made u a judge and remember that our Lord Jesus Christ said judge not and u will not be judged. might want to reread the bible again... Please don't make me look up every relevant verse. Along who judges us eg., "The Word" and then "The Word" being made flesh and dwelling among us eg Jesus Christ. But for the latter part of your statement - Matthew 7:2 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again |
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Jesus Christ is all we need eg. "Christ"ians. Not saying everyone of them share the same or do it 100% but do and believe as Christ and you will have all the knowledge there is that is needed :)
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has anyone ever...
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written a religious book not based on a god but on real life, and taken the best of the religious groups out there eg Jewish(Friday night dinners, Islam(modesty), Buddhism (not relying on luxuries)Christianity(thou shall not kill) etc and started their own religion based on all the good things out there? My dear mom, no matter what "religion" you find. It's not about finding the "golden ticket to life" or "figuring it out". It's about obeying God, his will and commandments. It's not about "YOU" or what you can specifically gain. It's about obeying God and accepting the rewards that may be there along the ride. It's not needed to be told to us once a week, that's not specifically what church is for on the Sabbath. It's bout taking that bit of time out of your schedule and spend it directly on God in celebration or learning. It's about God 100% on the Sabbath, not what one can gain or benefit from it. ???? Nobody does anything to gain anything back. The original actions would be done in vein if they expected a reward. We do what we do, for the simple fact our God has told us. Wrong, we are doing it so that you may gain in the reward of Heaven. Anything and everything for the salvation of those who believe has already been made by the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Outside of that the ONLY thing anyone of can even possibly do, is direct someone to God. All the glory of anything great accomplished is in the great name if Jesus Christ!!! |
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has anyone ever...
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written a religious book not based on a god but on real life, and taken the best of the religious groups out there eg Jewish(Friday night dinners, Islam(modesty), Buddhism (not relying on luxuries)Christianity(thou shall not kill) etc and started their own religion based on all the good things out there? My dear mom, no matter what "religion" you find. It's not about finding the "golden ticket to life" or "figuring it out". It's about obeying God, his will and commandments. It's not about "YOU" or what you can specifically gain. It's about obeying God and accepting the rewards that may be there along the ride. It's not needed to be told to us once a week, that's not specifically what church is for on the Sabbath. It's bout taking that bit of time out of your schedule and spend it directly on God in celebration or learning. It's about God 100% on the Sabbath, not what one can gain or benefit from it. ???? Nobody does anything to gain anything back. The original actions would be done in vein if they expected a reward. We do what we do, for the simple fact our God has told us. |
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has anyone ever...
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written a religious book not based on a god but on real life, and taken the best of the religious groups out there eg Jewish(Friday night dinners, Islam(modesty), Buddhism (not relying on luxuries)Christianity(thou shall not kill) etc and started their own religion based on all the good things out there? My dear mom, no matter what "religion" you find. It's not about finding the "golden ticket to life" or "figuring it out". It's about obeying God, his will and commandments. It's not about "YOU" or what you can specifically gain. It's about obeying God and accepting the rewards that may be there along the ride. It's not needed to be told to us once a week, that's not specifically what church is for on the Sabbath. It's bout taking that bit of time out of your schedule and spend it directly on God in celebration or learning. It's about God 100% on the Sabbath, not what one can gain or benefit from it. |
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Romans 13:13-14 Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts. I checked up the meaning of sensual and it is explained as "relating to, devoted to, or producing physical or sexual pleasure". Apart from the linkage of sensuality with sexual pleasure, is there any interrelationship between lust and the physical act of masturbation? What prompts a person to masturbate? Is masturbation a means of feeling sexually satisfied by a lone process that does not involve a second party? Masturbation is nothing but lusting after someone(s) if it's one or multiple. God has warned us against lusting and or "desiring someone/something greatly" God speaks against lusting, because that is putting something of this world above him. |
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