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Topic: Idolatry
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Fri 06/12/15 03:05 PM
As far back in history than can be remembered man has been involved in idolatry. Idolatry is worshipping any man creature or thing above almighty God. In text of the quran the story of Abraham is more detAiled then the bible the quran states that when Abraham was a child his father worshipped a carved idol in the form of a man who once lived and he was a really great man inthe past when iinfluential and great people rose up and died in honor everyone would carve images of them in honor and rememberance later this honor would turn into worshipping these people as gods or mediators between God and man abraham rebuked his father for his idolatry and told him God is only one God and he should be worshipped alone and add no partners with God well in Christianity this same idolatry goes on with the worship of jesus as God whom was a man.
This doctrine also came from paganism constantine was a pagan whom converted to christianity only to bring pagan doctrine and traditions into christianity. For example constantine was the first to claim to be the son of God and or Gods son he also started the trinity doctrine which he put into the bible

YahTek's photo
Fri 06/12/15 05:33 PM
:smile:

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 06/12/15 05:52 PM
Ummm ok so what is the question?

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/12/15 05:57 PM
It looks to me like the OP is simply trying to attack Christianity.

YahTek's photo
Fri 06/12/15 08:12 PM
not necessarily iam just basically asking questions I grew up in the Christian church and as I have gotten older I like to research and when you look at history and this arises you ask questions. my question is that could have paganism been infiltrated into the doctrine of Christianity.

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Fri 06/12/15 08:14 PM

not necessarily iam just basically asking questions I grew up in the Christian church and as I have gotten older I like to research and when you look at history and this arises you ask questions. my question is that could have paganism been infiltrated into the doctrine of Christianity.


i think so, yes

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Fri 06/12/15 08:14 PM
its historical fact that Constantine was a pagan roman emperor and converted to Christianity but never dropping his pagan beliefs, traditions or doctrine, and to top that off at the council of nicea he had power over what books were to be kept in the bible and which were to be burned. I would say this type of event in history needs to be investigated.

YahTek's photo
Fri 06/12/15 08:17 PM
the problem is that every time someone ask hard questions like this about Christianity or merely point out historical facts it is considered as attacking. this is why I left the Christian faith making one be closed minded and afraid to seek the truth more like a tyrranical dictatorship if you will.

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Fri 06/12/15 08:27 PM
The trinity derived from paganism three gods in one Constantine was also a man who claimed to be the son of God, now you connect that to Constantine having authority of what was put in and left out of the bible what do you get? the quran states that we should not associate partners with God this in itself is an abomination and a transgression of one of the commandments. study to show thyself approved.

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Fri 06/12/15 08:50 PM
from what i remember...and pardon if i get stuff mixed up...

The Roman empire, which was pagan/polytheistic in nature, persecuted the followers of Christ such that they were put to death in various ways and "sports". I think this was partly because of the fear of a revolution and partly because of differences in religious practices and beliefs. It seemed, at that time the Christian following was becoming a force that threatened the Roman way of life.

When Constantine came to power and won a war using a christian symbol and with the "vision" he saw, he decreed that all citizens under Roman rule must convert to Christianity, or otherwise suffer death. This probably became a cause for rejoicing amongst the followers of Christ at that time.

But the problem with forcing a religion on someone is that they won't be able to come to know the real meaning of believing it. Most of the people still clung to their Roman gods and goddesses, but had to disguise it in way that had to conform or have a semblance to Christianity. This was not only to avoid punishment, but for political reasons of gaining favor with Constantine.

It is expected that those forced into a religion or belief system will have that natural tendency to pick and choose what is comfortable and favorable to them. At the same time, incorporate into it what they want from their own beliefs, hence diluting/misinterpreting/adding on to the original intent and meaning of the religion they converted to.

Constantine was a political leader over a vast range of territories with differing beliefs. His intent to spread Christianity will definitely be overshadowed by his desire to unite his empire. Hence, he had to make sure that ALL his subjects were appeased one way or another. This was probably the reason how Catholicism came to be. A "universal" "church" that catered to the beliefs of man in relation to God, rather than the search for the understanding of the true nature God.

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Fri 06/12/15 08:52 PM
well said

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Fri 06/12/15 09:06 PM
The doctrine of the Trinity is something which I believe to be an originally Catholic/Constantinian attempt to unite all the pagan worshipers. One version or another of it has been made and defined over the years. Some Christian denominations choose to retain it, some don't.

I think Mary's role as an intercessor is also an attempt to ease the way for the conversion of many pagans that believe in the "mother goddess of the earth". And the various saints and martyrs as well, in order to give many pagans a sense of comfort and a relief from their conscience by giving them a substitute for their pagan gods and heroes.

YahTek's photo
Fri 06/12/15 09:14 PM
I agree

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 06/12/15 11:47 PM
The doctrine of the Trinity actually comes from the New Testament itself.

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Sat 06/13/15 12:04 AM
Or one interpretation of the new testament..

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Fri 06/19/15 06:27 PM
Abraham did his best to make his people heedful to the belief in the oneness of Almighty Allah and to the worship of Him alone. He bade them to firmly renounce the worship of idols. He said to his father and his people: ''What are these images, to which you are devoted?'' They said ''We found our fathers worshipping them.'' He said: ''Indeed you and your fathers have been in manifest error.'' They said: ''Have you brought us the truth, or are you one of those who play about?'' He said: ''Nay, your Lord is the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who created them and of that I am one of the witnesses.'' Quran 21: 52-56

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Fri 06/19/15 06:53 PM

its historical fact that Constantine was a pagan roman emperor and converted to Christianity but never dropping his pagan beliefs, traditions or doctrine, and to top that off at the council of nicea he had power over what books were to be kept in the bible and which were to be burned. I would say this type of event in history needs to be investigated.



Whether Constantine converted to Christianity or just used it as a tool to further his hold on the Roman Empire is the key. The facts are, after his so called conversion he built structures and dedicated them to the Roman Gods, he killed his wife and son, and he only was baptized on his deathbed. This was years after his so called conversion.
Like you said he had the power of life and death over the Christians at the Council of Nicaea. The "Christianity" that came out of Nicaea doesn't look anything like what Christ taught.
I think that if you compare the teaching of the Catholic Church to what is written in the Bible it is pretty obvious.

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Sat 06/27/15 06:47 PM
Abraham (Ibrahim) was born in a house of idolaters, in the kingdom of Babylon. His father Aazar was a well known idol sculptor that his people worshipped. As a young child, Abraham used to watch his father sculpting these idols from stones or wood. Abraham would use them as toys, riding on their backs, and kicking them at times. Then after a while, he would see these same statues in the temple, and people prostrating in front of them! Abraham asked his father: {Why do you take these toys to the temple?} His father said: {They are statues that represent our gods. We worship them, we ask favors from them, and we offer them presents.} Abraham's mind rejected this idea, and he felt repulsion towards the idols.
The decision to burn Abraham to death was affirmed by the priests and the king of Babylon, Nimrod. A huge pit was dug up and a large quantity of wood was piled up. Then the biggest fire people ever witnessed was lit. Abraham's hands and feet were chained, and he was put in a catapult to throw him into the fire. The catapult was released, and Abraham was thrown in the heart of the fire. But Allah would not allow His Prophet to be killed, He ordered the fire: {O fire! Be coolness and safety for Abraham!} And the miracle happened. The fire obeyed and burned only his chains. Abraham came out from it as if he was coming out from a garden, peaceful, his face illuminated, and not a trace of smoke on his clothes. Abraham's God has saved him from the fire!

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Sat 06/27/15 08:48 PM

As far back in history than can be remembered man has been involved in idolatry. Idolatry is worshipping any man creature or thing above almighty God. In text of the quran the story of Abraham is more detAiled then the bible the quran states that when Abraham was a child his father worshipped a carved idol in the form of a man who once lived and he was a really great man inthe past when iinfluential and great people rose up and died in honor everyone would carve images of them in honor and rememberance later this honor would turn into worshipping these people as gods or mediators between God and man abraham rebuked his father for his idolatry and told him God is only one God and he should be worshipped alone and add no partners with God well in Christianity this same idolatry goes on with the worship of jesus as God whom was a man.
This doctrine also came from paganism constantine was a pagan whom converted to christianity only to bring pagan doctrine and traditions into christianity. For example constantine was the first to claim to be the son of God and or Gods son he also started the trinity doctrine which he put into the bible


Worshipping Jesus Christ is not idolatry. It was Jesus Christ himself that formed us and created the world. Also notice the verse(s) say let "us" make man in "our" image eg., Jesus Christ and his father.

Jesus Christ wasn't just a "man", he came in the form of a servant in the likeness of a man. But Jesus himself is far greater then just a man ta'each their own though :)

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Sat 06/27/15 11:54 PM
Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God.

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