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Lord God is MASTER God they are seperate , but both Master is where we are in agreement,, the use of words 'Lord' or 'God' will be a matter of interpretion Jeremiah 32:26-27 26 Then came the word of the Lord unto Jeremiah, saying, 27 Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? Seems like the Lord eg., Jesus thought himself to be God of all flesh. seems like God spoke to someone in the bible(after they prayed) and referred to himself as the Master(Lord) Why would God use different terms for himself? That would only lead to possible confusion. And so why does Jesus reference himself as the Lord through out the NT. Even Lord of Lords, ect. Many different references of Jesus being Lord even outside of the Lord of lords God of gods ect. |
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Lord God is MASTER God they are seperate , but both Master is where we are in agreement,, the use of words 'Lord' or 'God' will be a matter of interpretion Jeremiah 32:26-27 26 Then came the word of the Lord unto Jeremiah, saying, 27 Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me? Seems like the Lord eg., Jesus thought himself to be God of all flesh. |
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you believe Lord God is Jesus Christ I believe Lord is title for a Master I believe that God is THEE master who created all I believe Jesus Christ is the master whom God created If Lord God isn't Jesus, then what is the purpose for the usage of both terms in OT and Jesus continuously stating he is "Lord"... even to the extent of he is Lord that brought us out of Egypt? And at that, who is LORD God referenced in the OT then? Especially again in Genesis 1 and 2 where it uses both different terms? |
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I never stated the Lord did not create me I stated that Lord is a title for a 'master', similar to 'father' being a head of a family,, and is used in many contexts the Lord GOD created me, the Lord Jesus Christ did not,, for he too is Gods Creation and given the authority and wisdom of God to sit at Gods right hand Colossians 3:1 Verse Concepts Therefore if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Hebrews 1:3 Verse Concepts And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, Hebrews 12:2 Verse Concepts fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 1 Peter 3:22 Verse Concepts who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him. Ephesians 1:20-21 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. Romans 8:34 Verse Concepts who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Yes also keep in mind when it says just "God" in this context it's referencing Jesus' father. Remember there are two, and both are called God. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God. But also keep in mind Jesus is God of Gods. Of course while he was on Earth in the flesh he referenced his father as his God because he left his glory behind and came in the FORM of a servant. But he returned to his righteousness and was and is God of gods. There is no name higher then Jesus' name. He is the top God. He is emmanuel, God with us. |
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I never stated the Lord did not create me I stated that Lord is a title for a 'master', similar to 'father' being a head of a family,, and is used in many contexts the Lord GOD created me, the Lord Jesus Christ did not,, for he too is Gods Creation and given the authority and wisdom of God to sit at Gods right hand Msharmony, Lord God is Jesus Christ. Thus again the reason for genesis 1 and 2. One saying God did this or that, then genesis 2 saying the same thing basically just saying LORD God did this or that. And the purpose Jesus is referenced as the LORD... see the connection? And the reason Jesus mentioned multiple times "I am the Lord who..." |
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I understand bottom line is we have different interpretations if I say ''King of kings', that means there is actually more than ONE king if I say 'Lord of Lords' that means there is actually more than ONE Lord Jesus and God are both Lords (masters) because Jesus has the authority of God but THE God (the God of Gods) is my creator, of which there is only one Jesus was not my creator, but he is as much master as my creator is ,,,imho Jeremiah 1 4 Then the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. I'm sorry you don't feel as if the Lord created you, because he certainly claimed to have created this person. And further then that says right here "all" things were created by him. And obviously in reference to Jesus as it says "redemption through his blood" 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: |
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yes, Jesus never declared he was God he did speak ABOUT God, however and in LUKE , he rebuked the devils reasoning that if he jumped from the mountain God Would save him saying HE Would not tempt God that way,,, ,,but again,, all these things are highly subjective in interpretation, possibly because the issue did not hold much significance with Jesus or God Sorry for the repeat of verse reference. But since you said once again he never claimed to be God. Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Jesus said you will not tempt the Lord YOUR God... claiming right there he's your God, he proclaiming the LORD is "your" God. *sorry if may seem as I may be, but I truly am not arguing or anything negative as such. again, its a title used here( A Lord is a master),, God is Lord, Jesus is also Lord they are equal in status of Lord(master), but there is only one GOD I would liken it to modern times how pastors are often called 'Father' though God is our only 'FATHER' in heaven in Luke, the Devil keeps trying to get Jesus to prove he is the Son of God by asking him to do things that show God protecting him as such Jesus continues to respond with biblical doctrine which is usually preceded by Jesus stating 'it is said' or 'it is written' it is written not to tempt God, which Jesus would be doing if he jumped off a mountain expecting God to save him again, its a title used here( A Lord is a master),, God is Lord, Jesus is also Lord They both are titles, Lord and God. Lord means ruler God means being of authority. Thus why we are referenced as gods "ye are gods and children of the most high". And why Jesus is God of gods. Yet there is only one God. That is Jesus Christ, for again he only refers to "his father" as just that while he's in the flesh on Earth after he leaves his glory behind and comes in the form of a servant. |
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yes, Jesus never declared he was God he did speak ABOUT God, however and in LUKE , he rebuked the devils reasoning that if he jumped from the mountain God Would save him saying HE Would not tempt God that way,,, ,,but again,, all these things are highly subjective in interpretation, possibly because the issue did not hold much significance with Jesus or God Sorry for the repeat of verse reference. But since you said once again he never claimed to be God. Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Jesus said you will not tempt the Lord YOUR God... claiming right there he's your God, he proclaiming the LORD is "your" God. *sorry if may seem as I may be, but I truly am not arguing or anything negative as such. again, its a title used here,, God is Lord, Jesus is also Lord they are equal in status of Lord, but there is only one GOD in Luke, the Devil keeps trying to get Jesus to prove he is the Son of God by asking him to do things that show God protecting him as such Jesus continues to respond with biblical doctrine which is usually preceded by Jesus stating 'it is said' or 'it is written' it is written not to tempt God, which Jesus would be doing if he jumped off a mountain expecting God to save him I beg to differ msharmony. Jesus Christ is Lord of lords Deuteronomy 10:17 17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward: Every reference or mention of Lord God, is in reference of Jesus. Thus the difference between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. 1 says God did this or that, 2 says Lord God did this or that and resorts to doing/saying the same things accomplished. Then later on Jesus confirms this with saying John 5:17 17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. |
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would like to point out that in the OT when Moses fled egypt, it was God that brought them out of egypt.
Numbers 15:41 41 I am the Lord your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the Lord your God. And proclaiming the Lord to be God. |
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yes, Jesus never declared he was God he did speak ABOUT God, however and in LUKE , he rebuked the devils reasoning that if he jumped from the mountain God Would save him saying HE Would not tempt God that way,,, ,,but again,, all these things are highly subjective in interpretation, possibly because the issue did not hold much significance with Jesus or God Sorry for the repeat of verse reference. But since you said once again he never claimed to be God. Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Jesus said you will not tempt the Lord YOUR God... claiming right there he's your God, he proclaiming the LORD is "your" God. *sorry if may seem as I may be, but I truly am not arguing or anything negative as such. |
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its purely a difference in perception JEsus said he was going to HIS father and OUR Father which indicates two existing at one time, a father AND a son semantically, who has the same father? siblings... again though, it is far from the point of the gospel or the message of Jesus,, he never stood anywhere and declared he WAS GOD, so I do not believe his message meant for anyone to focus on that,,, I'm sorry if I don't see the verse posted now, but I'm unaware of Jesus referencing anyone other then himself as our father. May you give that verse please? |
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its purely a difference in perception JEsus said he was going to HIS father and OUR Father which indicates two existing at one time, a father AND a son semantically, who has the same father? siblings... again though, it is far from the point of the gospel or the message of Jesus,, he never stood anywhere and declared he WAS GOD, so I do not believe his message meant for anyone to focus on that,,, Luke 4:12 12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. again though, it is far from the point of the gospel or the message of Jesus,, he never stood anywhere and declared he WAS GOD, so I do not believe his message meant for anyone to focus on that,,, He never declared he was God you say? The Lord YOUR God. |
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The belief is logical, that there is only one GOD and one begotten SON of God,, who referred to GOD as his own Father and our Father, making us semantically 'siblings',, although he is the sibling with the highest place of all siblings Jesus was in the beginning with God and was God eg., the Word was with God in the beginning and was God. The only time the references of father/son come into play is after he leaves his glory behind and comes in the form of a servant. While he was in that form he was the son of God. But prior to that and later references of him do not say it as so. And wouldn't make us semantically "siblings" with him neither. For he is the ONLY begotten son of God. We are children of Jesus our father, whom created us. |
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Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; ,,,does not say did not consider BEING GOD,,it says equality with God and later on in Philipians Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, not that HE exalted himself The belief is logical, that there is only one GOD and one begotten SON of God,, who referred to GOD as his own Father and our Father, making us semantically 'siblings',, although he is the sibling with the highest place of all siblings but again,, its semantical, and not of utter importance so long as his importance and sacrifice are understood Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; ,,,does not say did not consider BEING GOD,,it says equality with God Philippians 2:6 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God Which translation are you using? "Who being in the form of God" He didn't "consider" being God because he was/is God. It's not something he just considered for himself. The consideration part was in terms to being equal to "God". And again due to translations, I wished I knew the original terms because not the same original term is same with each mention of the word "God". And yes God did exalt him shortly after giving him a name higher then any other. But that was AFTER he took on the form of a servant and dwelt among us in the flesh. Remember, when Jesus came, he left his "glory" behind when he was in the form of a servant. |
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Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; ,,,does not say did not consider BEING GOD,,it says equality with God and later on in Philipians Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, not that HE exalted himself The belief is logical, that there is only one GOD and one begotten SON of God,, who referred to GOD as his own Father and our Father, making us semantically 'siblings',, although he is the sibling with the highest place of all siblings but again,, its semantical, and not of utter importance so long as his importance and sacrifice are understood Who, being in very nature[a] God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; ,,,does not say did not consider BEING GOD,,it says equality with God Philippians 2:6 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God Which translation are you using? "Who being in the form of God" He didn't "consider" being God because he was/is God. It's not something he just considered for himself. The consideration part was in terms to being equal to "God". And again due to translations, I wished I knew the original terms because not the same original term is same with each mention of the word "God". |
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And due to translations, and word meaning "context" changing, it makes it sort of hard to understand things such as.
Philippians 2:6 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God John 5:18 18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. ============= Also notice in Philippians "being the form of God". Thus before he came in the form of a "servant". But specifically states there he was in the form of "God" prior to that. And returned to his glory when he returned to Heaven. People have placed Jesus at the level of brother. Isaiah 64:8 8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. |
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it would be interesting,,, 
That's semi the reason I started this thread.... not to form an entire religion of course rofl... but to show and open peoples mind and eyes to what the scriptures actually say/teach on such levels especially in comparison to the general preaching that's gone on for thousands of years. And to get further discussion/investigation and possibly knowledge on the subject, again beyond what is/has been preached and just taken for face value. |
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And for me , I cannot fathom what 'just' the son of God even means,,, different interpretation of not the clearest message of the Bible, ADAM was also created by God,, but did not come THROUGH a human female, and not ever called the son of God or 'just' the son of God or even Lord titles,, and semantics,, the Lord called God , HIS God and OUR God,,which makes the perception that he was not GOD reasonable and understandable and hard to disprove ADAM was also created by God,, but did not come THROUGH a human female, and not ever called the son of God or 'just' the son of God or even Lord ADAM was created by LORD God eg., Jesus prior to that name being given to him. But none the less, I believe the difference in why ADAM was not referenced as the "son of God" was because ADAM wasn't "born" or "conceived". He was specifically created out of the dust, but none the less was created and formed that way rather then being born. That and "ADAM" means mankind. It's not a singular person. That is why through Genesis there is reference of Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel. So who did Cain and Able "marry/enspouse"? Some people of "ADAM/EVE" must have moved to another location.. believe it was Cannite or something of such is where they found their spouse(s) if I'm not mistaken. titles,, and semantics,, the Lord called God , HIS God and OUR God,,which makes the perception that he was not GOD reasonable and understandable and hard to disprove Oh totally hard to disprove. Especially on the level that people believe what they believe about the scriptures or "Christianity" from being preached to, rather then investigating it themselves.. more or less. Of course there are some that have lol, but for the general pop that would be the case. And again they study/investigate a translation of a translation ect. |
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I think it would be amazing for us to translate the original scriptures the bible is derived from again. Now that we have much more knowledge along such culture then, eg., vocabulary. Since most the english translations is a translation of a translation of a translation from a language that is no longer spoken in the form it's spoken/written to this day in age. And base the "general" belief system then off the new bible translation that would follow.
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Colossians 1
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: ====== John 1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. ----- Notice it states all things were made by him after referencing and explaining who the "Word" is/was. Later we truly see who the Word is. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ===== It just truly astonishes me on how the church "whatever belief *system* they are, it's always preached Jesus merely being the son of God. Which is true AFTER he took on the form of a "servant". Sorry if some of this is repeated in the remarks persay... just truly amazes me growing up learning and being taught that belief. But Jesus is hardly ever specifically referenced as our God in the culture I've grew up with anyways and he is the God of Gods. And I've lived from Cali, to NM, to KY, which all preach/teach Jesus merely being just the son of God. |
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