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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Sat 07/11/15 03:07 AM
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i've noticed a lot of issues crop up blaming religion for world problems. it seems useless to argue in favor of or against the favor of one vs another in terms of common sense of decency. human nature is what makes us what we are, not religion per se. as if removing religion will REALLY solve anything...
we are all sinners, and we have all been subjected to another's sins, whether we believe in sin or not. --seven sins-- anger / wrath / rage / fury envy / covetousness / jealousy gluttony / overindulgence greed / avarice lust / lechery / pride / vanity / vainglory sloth / laziness / discouragement / depression personally, i think greed is the worst... -------------------------------------------------------- now on the flipside, we are also capable of righteousness. the kind where it speaks for itself and can inspire good. --seven virtues-- chastity / wholesomeness diligence / steadfastness / integrity generosity / selflessness / benevolence humility / respectfulness kindness / charity / compassion patience / forbearance / endurance temperence / mindfulness / self-control i think kindness goes the longest way in all of these... 
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Not sure I agree about your human nature comment.
Every little baby I've ever known, including my own two, would share anything with anyone if you asked them to. Something goes wrong with some during their upbringing and that's why the world is in such a chit state. I think envy is the worst one although they're all a bit naughty. Imagine JL Peace Ya'll |
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Not sure I agree about your human nature comment. Every little baby I've ever known, including my own two, would share anything with anyone if you asked them to. Something goes wrong with some during their upbringing and that's why the world is in such a chit state. I think envy is the worst one although they're all a bit naughty. Imagine JL Peace Ya'll that is true. about babies and little kids. but not all children are the same. their sense of morality and conscience is still to be developed, and yes, upbringing plays a big part. but that may be another whole different topic, of which im not well equipped to comment on. that is why i said we are also capable of doing and inspiring great good. :) |
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i've noticed a lot of issues crop up blaming religion for world problems. that is true. Religion shouldn't be blamed. i blame women for world problems   
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i've noticed a lot of issues crop up blaming religion for world problems. that is true. Religion shouldn't be blamed. i blame women for world problems too many got away 
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Edited by
Lukinfolov
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Sat 07/11/15 04:07 AM
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Excellent post !! But it needs some deliberation.
Have you ever seen Atheists or Agnostics creating problems in this world,like killing the religious minded, trying to force their ideas over others through violence or trying to create a kingdom in the name of atheism etc. I have observed, agnostics and atheists make the least noise in this world and they are only bothered about their life and family. They are also normal human beings having all vices and virtues. The problem comes when - people are incapable of understanding the essence of religion. - people use religion to gratify their ulterior vices. |
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Excellent post !! But it needs some deliberation. Have you ever seen Atheists or Agnostics creating problems in this world,like killing the religious minded, trying to force their ideas over others through violence or trying to create a kingdom in the name of atheism etc. I have observed, agnostics and atheists make the least noise in this world and they are only bothered about their life and family. They are also normal human beings having all vices and virtues. The problem comes when - people are incapable of understanding the essence of religion. - people use religion to gratify their ulterior vices. you can't rise to power if you don't affiliate yourself with a world religion. doesn't mean these people believe or practice the religion they claim to be a part of. so yes, i am agreeable to your last statement. |
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i've noticed a lot of issues crop up blaming religion for world problems. it seems useless to argue in favor of or against the favor of one vs another in terms of common sense of decency. human nature is what makes us what we are, not religion per se. as if removing religion will REALLY solve anything... we are all sinners, and we have all been subjected to another's sins, whether we believe in sin or not. --seven sins-- anger / wrath / rage / fury envy / covetousness / jealousy gluttony / overindulgence greed / avarice lust / lechery / pride / vanity / vainglory sloth / laziness / discouragement / depression personally, i think greed is the worst... -------------------------------------------------------- now on the flipside, we are also capable of righteousness. the kind where it speaks for itself and can inspire good. --seven virtues-- chastity / wholesomeness diligence / steadfastness / integrity generosity / selflessness / benevolence humility / respectfulness kindness / charity / compassion patience / forbearance / endurance temperence / mindfulness / self-control i think kindness goes the longest way in all of these... You are right that "greed" is the worst, as it is the root of all evil so to speak. I know the scriptures itself specifically say "money" is, but all in all, it's the desire to have that which we speak of. Thus we have the evolved word "Greed". - Greed = intense and selfish desire for something, expecially weatlth power, or food. So in order to gain the "greedy" things, one would be less chastised, diligent, generous, humility, kind, patient, or temper mannered because they would be self focused and not worried bout the people or community around them, thus showing less love to people in general. |
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There used to be a time when Christendom taught about the Seven Deadly Sins, but they're rarely mentioned nowadays.
The Quran still states there are seven gates through which those who are sentenced to the Place Of The Fire will enter into. These gates to Hell are labeled accordingly by the nature of the sin. |
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There used to be a time when Christendom taught about the Seven Deadly Sins, but they're rarely mentioned nowadays. That is probably because sin has become associated with an actual act. It is easier to believe that intent and thought are not. Which is actually how hypocrisy came to be... |
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Edited by
SassyEuro2
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Sun 07/12/15 01:14 AM
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--seven sins-- anger / wrath / rage / fury envy / covetousness / jealousy gluttony / overindulgence greed / avarice lust / lechery / pride / vanity / vainglory sloth / laziness / discouragement / depression This is a Roman Catholic concept / doctrine, (called 7 'deadly' sins) and NOT one for Christianity itself . There are actually over 834 sins listed in the Holy Bible. I think the RC tried to put them in 7 categories to make it easier for people to remember (most were illiterate). |
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Edited by
SassyEuro2
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Sun 07/12/15 01:11 AM
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Sun 07/12/15 01:21 AM
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--seven sins-- anger / wrath / rage / fury envy / covetousness / jealousy gluttony / overindulgence greed / avarice lust / lechery / pride / vanity / vainglory sloth / laziness / discouragement / depression This is a Roman Catholic concept / doctrine, (called 7 'deadly' sins) and NOT one for Christianity itself . There are actually over 834 sins listed in the Holy Bible. I think the RC tried to put them in 7 categories to make it easier for people to remember (most were illiterate). Mmm...i think these seven sins do sum up the rest of them pretty well, tho....these vices pretty much lead someone to commit everything else... Excerpt from wiki... In the Book of Proverbs 6:16-19, among the verses traditionally associated with King Solomon, it states that the Lord specifically regards "six things the Lord hateth, and seven that are an abomination unto Him", namely: A proud look A lying tongue Hands that shed innocent blood A heart that devises wicked plots Feet that are swift to run into mischief A deceitful witness that uttereth lies Him that soweth discord among brethren |
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Edited by
Pansytilly
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Sun 07/12/15 01:45 AM
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I know, i know... i used to be catholic, i know the teachings and the pitfalls..  Im just presenting an idea , and the seven vices and virtues seem appropriate...but im sure buddhism, hinduism and other religions have their views on vices and virtues as well, that will not be so far off from the seven mentioned... Now why hasn't anyone commented much on the virtue side of this thread?  |
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--seven sins-- anger / wrath / rage / fury envy / covetousness / jealousy gluttony / overindulgence greed / avarice lust / lechery / pride / vanity / vainglory sloth / laziness / discouragement / depression This is a Roman Catholic concept / doctrine, (called 7 'deadly' sins) and NOT one for Christianity itself . There are actually over 834 sins listed in the Holy Bible. I think the RC tried to put them in 7 categories to make it easier for people to remember (most were illiterate). Actually, the 'list' of these Seven Deadly Sins is older than even the Catholic Church. The reason being they're from Proverbs. |
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If one avoids the Greater Sins, the Lesser sins shall be overlooked. God, the Almighty, by His grace, excuses the Lesser sins.
A person, who commits a Greater Sin and does not repent for it, is a transgressor. He cannot lead a prayer assembly. His testimony is unacceptable. After death, he is liable for Divine punishment. By the Grace of God such a person may yet get salvation; and the Grace of God that can make this possible is the intercession of Prophets. |
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If one avoids the Greater Sins, the Lesser sins shall be overlooked. God, the Almighty, by His grace, excuses the Lesser sins. A person, who commits a Greater Sin and does not repent for it, is a transgressor. He cannot lead a prayer assembly. His testimony is unacceptable. After death, he is liable for Divine punishment. By the Grace of God such a person may yet get salvation; and the Grace of God that can make this possible is the intercession of Prophets. Where in the scriptures, original, torah, or the holy bible is there ever mention of a sin being greater then another sin and some being a lesser on a "Well I'd rather you not do this, but ah no problem" kind of level? There is only one sin that is stated at a different level then the other's. And that is denying the Lord thy God. Matthew 10:33 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. |
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Edited by
IamwhoIam1
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Tue 07/14/15 10:13 AM
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I know, i know... i used to be catholic, i know the teachings and the pitfalls.. Im just presenting an idea , and the seven vices and virtues seem appropriate...but im sure buddhism, hinduism and other religions have their views on vices and virtues as well, that will not be so far off from the seven mentioned... Now why hasn't anyone commented much on the virtue side of this thread? That's the first thing that came to mind when I read this thread, not the sins but the good deeds. 613 Biblical Commandments to perform good deeds or mitzvot In Hebrew, all letters and words have numerical value. This is called gematria. For example, the gematria for the word love (Ahava) in Hebrew is 13. 613 commandments = 611 [gematria for Torah or Bible] + 10 Commandments + the first 2 commandments which were heard directly from God. Moshe Ben Maimon, or Maimonides, was a preeminent medieval Sephardic Jewish philosopher and astronomer, and became one of the most prolific and influential Torah (Bible) scholars and physicians of the Middle Ages. The following are the 613 commandments and the source of their derivation from the Hebrew Bible as enumerated by Maimonides. Click the link above to see the rest of the 613 commandments, some of which no longer apply due to the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple nearly 2000 years ago in 70 CE. Maimonides' list sorted by occurrence in the Torah Gen. 1:28 To have children with one's wife Gen. 32:33 Not to eat the sinew of the thigh Ex. 12:2 Courts must calculate to determine when a new month begins Ex. 12:6 To slaughter the paschal sacrifice at the specified time Ex. 12:8 To eat the Paschal Lamb with matzah and Marror (bitter herb) on the night of the fourteenth of Nisan (spring time or March - April in the Jewish calendar) The tradition that 613 commandments is the number of mitzvot in the Torah, began in the 3rd century CE, when Rabbi Simlai mentioned it in a sermon that is recorded in Talmud Makkot 23b. These principles of Biblical law are sometimes called connections or commandments (mitzvot) and referred to collectively as the "Law of Moses", "Mosaic Law", "Sinaitic Law", or simply "the Law". The word mitzvot is plural; singular is mitzvah. Although there have been many attempts to codify and enumerate the commandments contained in the Torah, the traditional view is based on Maimonides' enumeration. The 613 commandments include "positive commandments", to perform an act (mitzvot aseh), and "negative commandments", to abstain from certain acts (mitzvot lo taaseh). The negative commandments number 365, which coincides with the number of days in the solar year, and the positive commandments number 248, a number ascribed to the number of bones and main organs in the human body (Babylonian Talmud, Makkot 23b-24a).[2] Though the number 613 is mentioned in the Talmud, its real significance increased in later medieval rabbinic literature, including many works listing or arranged by the mitzvot. Three types of negative commandments fall under the self-sacrificial principle yehareg ve'al ya'avor, meaning "One should let oneself be killed rather than violate it". These are murder, idolatry, and forbidden sexual relations. The 613 mitzvot have been divided also into three general categories: mishpatim; edot; and chukim. Mishpatim ("laws") include commandments that are deemed to be self-evident, such as not to murder and not to steal. Edot ("testimonies") commemorate important events in Jewish history. For example, the Shabbat is said to testify to the story that Hashem (God) created the world in six days and rested on the seventh day and declared it holy. Chukim ("decrees") are commandments with no known rationale, and are perceived as pure manifestations of the Divine will. Many of the mitzvot cannot be observed now, following the destruction of the Second Temple, although they still retain religious significance. According to one standard reckoning, there are 77 positive and 194 negative commandments that can be observed today, of which there are 26 commands that apply only within the Land of Israel. Furthermore, there are some time-related commandments from which women are exempt (examples include shofar, sukkah, lulav, tzitzit and tefillin). Some depend on the special status of a person in Judaism (such as kohanim), while others apply only to men or only to women. |
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That ^^ was a doozy..
So why would the destruction of the second temple make some commandments no longer applicable? |
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