nope. i think you are confusing the topic with the philosophy of semantics. and i don't pick and choose "context". i take the bible in it's entirety.

it does not matter if it is in greek, latin, hebrew, aramaic, arabic, jewish english, chinese, russian, french, in whatever language or dialect or version. what the bible conveys is one and the same. the word of God (the way, the truth and the light) is made for the salvation of all. from the lowliest uneducated peasant who does not have the knowledge of the semantics of vocabulary (fishermen/prostitutes), to the high philosopher and theologians(priests/pharisees). <<analogy and in no way to demean>>

putting the old and new testament teaching in conflict is also not appropriate, as the new testament is the continuation and fulfillment of the old.

in the first place, we are not talking about beasts vs man, lord vs god.
in the second place, all of created was placed under Christ, until such a time when he in turn will subject all things to God.

jesus calmed the water
jesus had the fishes go into the nets
jesus cast away evil spirits
----everything on heaven and on earth, under the earth, in the waters, the dominions, the principalities, etc etc...ALL things are made through Christ, and all things shall be subject to him, and in the end, he shall subject everything to God.

Jesus is not God. God is not Jesus.

This is the declaration of the LORD to my Lord:" Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies Your footstool." Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:44, Acts 2:34, Hebrews 1:13 ---and this culminates in the book of revelations


20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled 22In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: 23If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;


5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Jesus is not God. God is not Jesus.

I dont think so...

Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Lamb of God, Master and Savior. Though he is one with God, he did not claim to be God, neither did he claim God's glory as his own. No claims of Jesus being the same as God were also made in the letters. It is always the glory of God the Father, thru his Son.

Old testament prophesies referred to the savior to be sent by God -- Jesus. Not God himself.

Revelations make the distinction between God and the Lamb of God as well.

Jesus said that our father is that whom we serve. If our works prove false, then our god is false. That if we recognize God, then we would recognize him as being the Son of God, and we would do God's will, just as he does God's will. He may not have explicitly used the sentiment you are looking for (since it will obviously not satisfy you anyways) but the parables are clear, the gospels are clear, his message is clear. Old and New testaments testifies the same. He is the Son of God, not God. Even demons and the satan acknowledge and fear him as the Son of God, not God himself.

That is why he calls us to follow him (not worship him) that our works and faith may prove true, as servants of God, and thru him (Christ) we may be saved.

Searching and knowing God does not stop with Christ, rather he is the way to come to know God because he is the Son of God, the word of God, who procceeded from God.

Tho, we are servants, he has revealed to us who God is because he saw us as friends, that he would lay down his life for us in accordance to God's will. And he promised to make room for us in his Father's house should we enter the Kingdom of God. (this is in essence what brotherly Christian love is). The fulfillment of this comes after he overcomes death, by his resurrection. We are all called to be brothers and sisters in Christ, with God as our Father.

His death and resurrection made him the firstborn of many who are called to be children of God thru faith. And thus we are called to be co-inheritors of the kingdom of God and thru Christ, and be one with God as well.

Jesus and God are two different entities. They acknowledged each other. Therefore, they are not one and the same. They are not of the same level because Jesus sits at the right hand of God to intercedes for us to God, and in the end, he shall surrender everything to God. To God, not to himself.

Christ does not negate God. He is not God. He acknowledges an entity higher than himself. Therefore he cannot be God if there is an entity higher than him.

Christ's glory is the fact that he is the word of God, the power or God and the love of God, since the beginning up to the end. He is the good news of God made flesh that he may bring salvation and judgement to the world at the appointed time set by God. But he is not God.

To claim Jesus as God would be to worship and venerate him as God. Jesus is of flesh, ascended and sits at the right hand of God in flesh. That is the very essence of idolatry -- worship of that which has the image of something created or that which is physical.

But if that is your or anyone else's choice, then so be it.

Matthew 12:46-50 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.


Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.


John 7:16-18 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.
If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.


John 15:12-15 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.


1 Corinthians 8:5-6 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.


Galatians 4:1-7 Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;
But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.

All you say is true, taken out of context, but true. Let me ask you one simple question, did Jesus EVER say who he referred to as "Father/God" as being our "Father/God". Did he ever put himself at the level of being a "brother" to us?

Meaning of words come into a huge part in what they mean and why they were used. Yes Jesus referred to his father as "Father/God" but you also have to keep in mind Jesus came in the form of a servant, he didn't come in all his glory and power. So again I ask as this will clear all this us if Jesus ever said "our" God/Father or referred to his father as our father with a "your God" in context directed towards God the father

Don't know Pansytilly, think Jesus disagrees with you.

Exodus 20:2

2 I am the Lord THY GOD, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Luke 4:12

12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord THY GOD.


No where will you ever see Jesus referring to his father or his God as our father or our God, for it is Jesus Christ whom is our father and our God in which he repeatedly states throughout the scriptures. :)

It could also be that sin has become subjective because we selectively apply religious teachings.

Sorry again don't mean demean or antyhing, but weather it be scientific theory or just a theory, it's just an educated guess. Because if it were truly a "fact" it wouldn't be either "theories", it would be a scientific fact. That's the difference between theory and fact, one is absolute without a doubt, the other is "guessing" at points... or in other hands stating things along the lines of "assumptions" it will continue to be true, but again has no absolute fact behind it.

Don't know specifically bout your mention of the theory of evolution or "Garden of Eden".

But a "theory" in the long run is nothing more then an educated guess. And scientists/people of such knowledge don't like that claim as the reference of the word "guess". But in the end, that's all a theory truly boils down to.

Not demeaning Science at all, as we've come a long ways from where we were once and still have a long ways to go. Just yeah, bottom point.

i thought it was god? but either way, there is no one person that can speak for god any better than anyone else in the world... thats why the bible cannot be taken out of context, because it means what it means to each individual... there never is a right or wrong, but many people have died because they think there is...

True to an extent. But Jesus was the only one that spoke in parables... and that would then lead down as the other thread is speaking of atm "context".

Verses are taken out of context mainly to fit "their" agenda rather then God's intended agenda. People will always want to do what "they" want rather then specifically what "God" wants from us.

Don't know specifically bout your mention of the theory of evolution or "Garden of Eden".

But a "theory" in the long run is nothing more then an educated guess. And scientists/people of such knowledge don't like that claim as the reference of the word "guess". But in the end, that's all a theory truly boils down to.

Not demeaning Science at all, as we've come a long ways from where we were once and still have a long ways to go. Just yeah, bottom point.