It seems that you come across more "career women" these days. Women who are in their thirties and forties, with looks fading fast, that still don't quite understand what men want.

For some reason, with all the intelligence and value this group gives to themselves, this miss a fundamental truth. Men are not attracted to women who try to compete with them.

Men, for the most part, excepting for contentious objectors, peace-niks, and fans of John Mayer, tend to like women to be feminine, soft, sensitive, etc - qualities that men typically do not (except as above) possess.

Why can't these women, take off the suit, stop watching Sports Center, and just be a girl?

Maybe because they are happy with who they are as individuals and are more worried about making themselves happy than trying to fit into an old fashioned idea of what a woman should be.

Hmmmmmmm I can be soft.....then it really messes you up when I kick you azzzzzzz at pool!!!

italian...

This is the year 2007, DUH

Not all women want to be in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. That was in the 50's....you know my MOM's generation of thinking.

Women of today, feel the NEED to participate in the world. If it wasn't for the fact that I had such a great job with good benefits I would not have survived with my sons.

Sorry but your way of thinking is just toooo OLD fashioned for me.

Good luck finding a woman who feels the way that you do.....

hey munch well said lol im not a career women as such but maybe women have had to become harder to be able to acheive the same goals that are in some ways easier for men

So you think that just
because a woman has a
career that she can't
let her hair down on
her off-time and be
feminine, soft, etc...?

And who says they all
watch Sports Center?

You got to get out and
look around more.

Well I can agree with the woman taking off the suit....she can stop watching sports on ESPN and just wrestle with me if she wants to get roudy. Hmmm a naked woman wrestling with me..yeh sounds like a GREAT idea!

Man, those "old fashioned" ways have been dead so long, I hardly remember them. I agree that many men like a woman to be feminine, but that does not mean she can't have a carreer and do most of the things a man does (I do not mean that as an insult to women, i base that on physical facts, like a man can't have a baby..so please do not take that wrong).

But yeh, back to the naked woman wrestling with me...I'l vote for that!!!

Ok...

Gee JSH forums is where to find life advice...

As for looks fading fast,
itailian.

Ever think that maybe your
looks are fading fast?

Maybe women got smart and found a way to provide for themselves since history has shown as a woman ages, their husbands trade them in for a younger model. God forbid a woman depend on a man for security!!

I have a high powered position but neither wear a suit nor watch ESPN. I have bigger balls than a lot of men but that doesn't mean I can't be the woman in a relationship. I enjoy being a girl but by no means think you can run over me OR chain me to the stove.

Where have all the men gone that APPRECIATE a woman's ability to work a full time job, take care of a home, raise the children AND keep their man satisfied????

I completely agree! But umm..didn't we talk about handcuffs and bedposts once..I know it was not chains..but. (JUST KIDDING!!)

You know what gets me is these useless tit men who cant even make toast.....and think they want a woman to cook and clean for them

Ya I had to survive with a child a long time, as puffins said, and learned how to take the garbage out by myself, change light bulbs.......do stuff I didnt want to do.......so dont be saying you want a woman who is all feminine etc....because if you want that, then you will find some cheap trailer park trash who doesnt want to get a job!!

I love it when women point to the calendar and use that as an excuse. "It's 2007. That's old fashioned". It doesn't matter if it's 2007 or 2207, women and men are biogically different and a man, a true man, doesn't desire a women, who wants to compete with him. It's hard wired into us. Men are the hunter gatherers, and women are the support staff. That's not to say there's anything wrong with being on the support staff, but the point is: it's hard wired. We each have a role to play.

The point was not to say that women should be in the kitchen and not contributing. I work with many professional women that I respect, and admire, however, the point I am making here is not to compete. Don't get into a relationship with a guy and try to show him how you can do everything he can (or better). We all respect the accomplishments of women. However, when it comes to an intimate relationship. Blue is for boys and pink is for girls.

Unless you're interested in the same sex...

I have no issues with women competing with me. Unless you consider finding their drive attractive an issue.

Now, thats not to say the "Stay at homes" do not have an appeal all their own. Especially if the couple have children. Nothing like having a parent (mother or father) be home when the kids come home from school.

this may be the most interesting topic in the realm of male -female relationships, but people, men and women alike, become defensive about it and don't seem willing to the think about it

making discussion about it, the essence of the point you're making, hard to find and create

why so defensive is what i'd ask

AllSmilesInTulsa

I can agree with that,
especially the last part!

You are entitled to your view, but please only speak for yourself, and do NOT equate you to men in general. Are you threatened by successful women?

You may be on to something here... Not depending on a man may the best choice for a women in her 30's and 40's, considering the posibillity that a man may "trade up". But, it's a paradox... How do you find a man, who by nature is looking for someone with a soft, non competetive side, and yet maintain your independence? (rhetorical)

I think you will find great success in dating because you "get it". You realize that men completely respect your position and success, and we don't need you to be chained to the stove, but at the same time, we don't want you high fiveing us during the super bowl, or trying to compete with us.

Maam, you rock!

That seems very likely.