well at my work... we do many activities... we separate the men from women and on Wednesdays we take one female employee and one male employee and we have a race... whoever wins is declared the better employee

It appears that this thread was not completely read, as there is a clear lack of understanding as to what the point was.

This thread was NOT about superioriry, rejection, or about being a doormat.

However, it's not surprizing that people who don't take the time to reads threads before venturing an off topic comment, miss the mark.

This thread's premise was simple, for a person who took the time to read it:

1.) Men do not want a career minded women to take their competitve attitude home with them and try to "one up" their bf/husband, or show how little they need men, or show how much better their career is than his. Men do not find this attractive.

2.) Men do not want a woman who does manly things. It's not attractive.

I rest my case.



( And I did read it...didn't make a dot of difference, my last post still stands..)


Your posts scream, 'Where's my doormat? ", to me.

I think if there was a counter arguement to be made. It would have been made. In this case, "I rest may case" only serves to show a lack of thought and ability to reason.

The premise is solid, most men and women agree. However, we accept that some people might try to avoid the truth behind this statement, and will have little evidence to back up their lack counter arguements or discussion.

However, your feedback is appreciated, even though off topic and abusive.

You are an idiot.

Perhaps culturally, in the US, women are to appear non aggressive, (which would usually be interpreted as non-assertive)... to appear, soft, and classically male preferenced, 'feminine'..

However, the Stepford Wife era is over... long over.

Culturally, society's dynamics have dramatically altered; that gender, and traits ARE irrelevant.

To have a man make claims, that women, need to leave their behaviours at the door, when arriving home, because MOST men don't like it, may be applicable, to the US, however, this is an INTERNATIONAL site, and I find this whole train of reasoning, on your behalf, abhorrent, and completely one-sided.


Glad I am not in the US.

It would be nice to hear any counter thoughts you may have.

Many women think of this post as a challenge, and that's where they miss the point. This post is not a challenge to say that men are better than women. The point of this post is to argue that women who take their desire to compete against a man at work, home with them, invariably leads to conflict. Men do not find it desirable to compete with a woman at home.

The thing is, I don't give a f uck what some backwards neandertal thinks. If a man can't take the proverbial heat then he can go screw himself.

I would never even consider being friends with a man who felt the way you do.

PS. How do you people manage to breed?

I personally would love to be a stay at home, but that just isn't how things work. Right now being single, I have to provide for myself. I can not do that by staying home. I have a very professional m-f job where I must dress up and be professional, I also have 2 part time jobs, one I can wear normal street clothes and be relaxed, where the other one requires me to put on work boots, a hard hat, and so physical work.

Does that make me less of a woman? I think not, it makes me a human being who is capable of supporting myself.

And why is it so bad for a woman to enjoy sports? Why not look at it as something that you can enjoy together?!?

I think with your mindset right now, you are going to have a hard time finding someone. You have to look past all of this. A woman who can take care of herself does not take away from her feminity. I personally think it make her more of a woman!

JMO

There's a whole section in this post related to notion of how this post is not about turning back the clock (i.e. attempting to put women back in the same mold as they were in the USA, in the 50's). You might refer to that before making the same arguement again.

If gender traits are irrelevant, then why are men: consistently beating women at most sports, assigned to the most dangerous combat missions, and work laborer jobs in larger percentages? We are different. Biologically. Both physically and psycologically.

The point of this discussion is NOT to ask women to leave their behaviors at the door. They should feel free to act like a man, drink like man, watch sports like a man, belch like a man, etc. And, they should also feel free to dominate a man at home, tell him about how they can provide for themselves, or how much more successful they are than him, in other words, compete with him. However, if women choose to engage in this behavior realize that men do no find this attractive, and it will utimately lead to conflict.

The point is: Men do not want to compete with a woman at home. It's not attractive. A man can respect a woman, talk to her about her day, etc, but if she choses to compete with him, it will only lead to conflict.

Men admire the advances women have made both professionally, financially, and socially, but they do not want to be reminded that a woman makes more money than them, or has a better position that them, when they are in a relationship.

Men are hard wired by nature, as providers and do not like to compete, in a relationship, with a women.

This notion applies to any nation where the provider gender role has been blurred by attempts to equalize rights between men and womrn.

It would be helpful to hear more constructive critism of this arguement - other than to call it names.

Oh dear.

This is not a discussion, it's a neanderthal take, made by one man.... something I do notice is the lack of male posters supporting your thesis... and also may I add, unsubstantiated claims.

So in reality, there is one male making these claims....one... who has elected himself authoritarian on this subject.

I don't really need the Bachelor I have in Human Sciences, nor Psychology to figure this thread out.

Being personal and abusive doesn't disprove this premise. It only shows that some people do not have a counter arguement to make, and can only express a difference of opinion with hate.

If this post is perceived negatively, there's no need post here.

The small portion of this emotional come back that unfortunately misses the mark is related to a man's ability to "take the heat".

This post is NOT about taking the heat or about men and women competing in the work place.

This post is about career minded women not bringing their competetion with men home. Men do not find it atractive for a woman to compete with them at home. Nor, do men find it attractive for a woman to show off her manly qualities.

Yes, men are generally more muscular (i.e. your very weak sports and military argument), however, muscles do not equal intellect and drive (and if you really want to base an argument on this, I can counter that physiologically, women have been scientifically proven to have more stamina than men and are able to withstand greater physical stress). Women are more than capable and have---when not conditioned by society---just as much ambition to succeed as do men.

Your entire argument is fundamentally flawed in that you assume that it is a woman's only goal in life to make some neandertal man happy.

Success and competition are not "manly" qualities, they are HUMAN qualities. You, sir, have some serious issues.

You're making some good points, but you missed the mark a little.

There's nothing wrong with a woman working hard, and it certainly makes you a strong person for doing so. No one would deny you the respect you deserve for working hard.

The point of the arguement is that if you had a job where you were in competetion with men all day, company politics, the stock exchange, anything... a man is not going to find it attractive if you come home and compete with him. (i.e. tell him how much better your job is than his, compare your work to his, talk about how much more money you are making than him) Men don't find that attractive.

Men, also, in general, don't find a girl that is into sports more than most men, attractive. There's nothing wrong with watching the occasional big games together. However, sometimes women get into sports, to obtain entry into the world of men, and really know too much about sports to be feminine. It's unattractive, in excess.

I still haven't figured out what these "manly qualities" that women shouldn't have are either.
I don't have any interest in sports, does that make me less of a man?

Appologies, if the last post was too long to be fully read, in the available time. Had it been read, the answers sought would have been found.

Going back and looking at the thread will yield a great deal of support for this premise by both men and women equally. This is hardly the thoughts of one person, most will agree that men do think this way, and to acheive suceess in a relationship, a career minded women should not try to compete with a man at home.

Personal attacks and abuse seem to be only counter arguement available.

It's strange to agree with a point, by re-stating it, and then call it weak. Appearently, you agree that men are more physically strong than women. OK... but you missed the point. Everything else you said is off topic.

However, you've once again missed the point. This post is not about men vs. women, who's stronger, whos' weaker, etc.

This post has a narrow focus, which I will repeat again for everyone who still hasn't heard it:

1.) Men do not find career minded women, who bring their competetion with men, home with them, and attempt to complete at home, attractive.
2.) Men do not find women who are excessively into manly things attractive.

Please try adding something to conversation that is on topic, instead a personal men vs. women rant.

I can change a tire, check all the fluids in my car I know how to use a drill, many kinds of power tools I have worked construction and many dirty jobs that make me look like a homeless person.

I did not learn to do all this because I wanted to compete with men.
when I started driving my brother told me that if you drive you should be able to do simple maintenance on your own car.

I also took a job at a dirty paint factory years ago because it paid all the bills and I had three kids to raise their dad was in prison. I was able to move up in that company because I worked hard and was proud to be able to take care of my family on my own because I had to do it.
and I was tired of working two lousy jobs to make the same as one decent job with benifits

I also love dress cloths, skirts, lingerie, silky underthings and perfumes of all kinds fluffy pillows, and soft comforters.
lotions and creams and all those things girls or woman like as well

but the days of a woman only allowed to work until a man takes care of them is long gone
it takes two people in this world to achieve some of the extras in life and sometimes it take two to make them get by, and there is nothing wrong with a woman working right along side her partner to get ahead in life.
it has nothing to do with competition
anyone who thinks that thats why so many women work today has a lot to learn, and is probably going to miss out on a lot of things in life for their future too.

oh well I hope you find that simple gal your looking for
good luck

This is completely off topic.

There was never any claim made that success or competetion were manly qualities.