Unfortuntely, but not surprizing, you missed a key point of the arguement. The point is that men respect women who have careers and are successful. However, in a relationship, a man does not want a woman to come home and compete with him, in the relationship.

If a woman wants to come home and compete with a man (i.e. tell him that she doesn't need him, or how well she's doing, or in general compete), it seems her only point in dating a man is to dominate him. Men do not find that attractive, quite the opposite.

one reason...men are not the same as they were in the fiftys. now a woman has to be independant. she can only depend on herself, not a man to take care of her. so the job is not really to compete...it's more to survive in "A man's world."

I like the biblical refrence.

I think you may be seeing where I'm coming from. Men totally respect your career, your hard work, independence, and love your girly girl side. We just don't want you to come home and try to "one up" us. We don't want to compete with you at home. A relatioinship is not about showing up the guy your with, it's about a partnership. And in that partnership, no one is a doormat.

It takes a lot of understanding to realize that men can completely respect a woman's position and success, but they don't want her to come home and throw it in their face.

Unfortuntely, but not surprizing, you missed a key point of the arguement. The point is that men respect women who have careers and are successful. However, in a relationship, a man does not want a woman to come home and compete with him, in the relationship.

If a woman wants to come home and compete with a man (i.e. tell him that she doesn't need him, or how well she's doing, or in general compete), it seems her only point in dating a man is to dominate him. Men do not find that attractive, quite the opposite


I don't know anyone, male or female, that wants to do this. Your basis for this arguement is still that a man should rule the household and the woman should be subservient. That won't work for many. It certainly wouldn't work for me!

Except in the bedroom!!!!!!

^^^shoulda known...

An accurate tally will indicate that more people agree than disagree.

What thread are you reading Italian_half(which half)?

Cause it isn't this one...

What are you trying to say...

I think I finally am getting what you are saying...you want to completely be the alpha in the relationship. You don't want your woman ruling you, or attempting to, am I correct in this statement?


and no man has to worry about me learning all the plays, i'm having a hard enough time figuring out a freakin saftey, i just dont get it lol!

Except in the bedroom!!!!!!


That position can be swapped as many times as any other position.

Oh I see the point now.....we are competing to see how many agree with us. I'll keep score from now on!
Go on, please, fill me with wisdom!!

Maam, you missed the point of what "career women" means, in this context. It is contained in quotes and intended to be metaphorical. The point was not to draw attention to the quantity of women in careers, but to draw attention to the notion of a "career woman", with specific attributes, to be defined later in the following paragraphs.

You did however, get the point about fading looks. The point here is that a "career women" should not try to compete at home. Especially, considering their looks are fading, and... you guessed it, the chances of a man "trading up" is increasing.

In the next paragraph, unfortunately, you did miss the point on "the fundemental truth". Most men AND women, will agree in this post and outside of this post that men don't want a woman to compete with them at home. Who wants that? Man or Woman? It's unattractive, especially coming from a woman.

You may not know any man who will admit to not wanting a woman to compete with him, in a relationship, with your feministic gun pointed at him, but deep inside all men know they don't want a woman to come home and compete with them at home. They want a wife or girlfriend, not a boss.

You last sentence was the most telling.

"But, then again, what can I know? I'm a 'career woman' who's way past the age for 'faded looks'. I hate war & like John Mayer. Wait a minute, now I know why I can't get a date! Thanks for the enlightenment."

You'd like to think you're being facitious, but you know deep down it's true.

Sorry Kid. You missed the point.

The point again for the 1000th time is that a woman should not try to compete with a man, in a relationship. Compete is defined as follows: try to "one up" the guy, talk about how she doesn't need a man, talk about how much more succesfull she is than the man is. Men find this unattractive.

For all who only see what they want to see in this arguement, the above is it. Clearly defined. Within these parameters only.

It's NOT about subserviance, domination, ruling the household, etc. It's simple, don't try to compete in a relationship.

Yes. You get it! The Alpha analogy works very well. Part of my arguement is that men are pre-disposed, in nature, to providing for women. And, a part of providing is being the Alpha male (in nature).

A woman that wants to be the Alpha male at home is UNattractive.

However, I totally respect the Alpha male woman at the office.

Thank you!
Maam, you rock!

OK!!! Well then, now that I understand, I have to say I agree mostly. I do not want to be the alpha, although, I do not want to be discluded in the decision making either. I think things need to be joint.

UPDATE:

We almost have more views on this post, IN ONE DAY, than "What music are you listening to now?" - which has been up for months...

I thought this might be a hot topic, but I didn't know how hot.

Thank you all for agreeing, disagreeing, providing input, jokes, comments, and abusive.

You guys all rock!

Signing off from Hawaii...

Absolutely!

*Drowns your idiotic stereotyping out with John Mayer*