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Edited by
msharmony
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for my own example I may have FAITH that there was someone named COLUMBUS who came to the americas now, if there REALLY Was this columbus, my faith would happen to be based in a fact if there never was, my faith would happen to not be based in fact so MsHarmony... you need faith in order to believe that humans exist named Columbus? ...so do you also believe that you will get toss into the lake of fire if you didn't have Faith in Columbus? I'm trying to figure out why you need Faith in Columbus Im not sure where I posted any of the above I dont know how to re post in any simpler terms,,,, are you placing your Faith in Columbus...or are you placing your Faith in those that wrote the books that you read about Columbus the authors right....the same with the bible..since you never observed or experience God ...and then make a claim of Faith...then you have to place that Faith in the authors of the bible and not God that would only be true if my ONLY reference was the bible, which it is not or if I had never had an experience with God example: I have faith in the authors of math books who say two plus two is four, because I have PERSONAL Experiences which back up that information I have faith in the authors of the Bible, because my experiences (according to my perception) back up the validity of a God if someone wrote a book about magical spaghetti, it would be hard for me to have faith in because of its UNLIKELINESS and my absence of personal experiences with spaghetti to validate it is magical,,, MsHarmony...I knew that Columbus book deal would get you to change your testimony ...first you claim that those that never observed or experienced God would need Faith to believe...and now you're claiming that you have Faith because you had a personal experience with God ... like I said you're double talking and playing both sides of the fence you can never get a straight answer about Faith from you guys whatever floats your boat dude the issue keeps changing, from faith in general, to faith in columbus specifically, to faith in authors specifically, to faith in God specifically life isnt so simple, pick an issue and stick with it and things may make more sense,,, |
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I tried to tell you that Harmony.
Notice how I'm now overlooked? It's a troll. He says he can't get a straight answer.. ..even though he's gotten one five times over. So, don't waste your energy. |
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I tried to tell you that Harmony. Notice how I'm now overlooked? It's a troll. He says he can't get a straight answer.. ..even though he's gotten one five times over. So, don't waste your energy. point made |
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Everyone missed it when I said this???
"*Disclaimer: pls don't feed my troll, I'm trying to domesticate him*" |
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Everyone missed it when I said this??? "*Disclaimer: pls don't feed my troll, I'm trying to domesticate him*" xD I did miss that. |
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Ok... I smiled. Farts come from processing biomass into energy. Yahweh comes from breathing the holy spirit. For the best effect one must breath in, breath out. Farts don't work well with that concept. a fart is the same as a belief.....everyones stinks but yours |
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Edited by
funches
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Sun 02/26/12 06:00 AM
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for my own example I may have FAITH that there was someone named COLUMBUS who came to the americas now, if there REALLY Was this columbus, my faith would happen to be based in a fact if there never was, my faith would happen to not be based in fact so MsHarmony... you need faith in order to believe that humans exist named Columbus? ...so do you also believe that you will get toss into the lake of fire if you didn't have Faith in Columbus? I'm trying to figure out why you need Faith in Columbus Im not sure where I posted any of the above I dont know how to re post in any simpler terms,,,, are you placing your Faith in Columbus...or are you placing your Faith in those that wrote the books that you read about Columbus the authors right....the same with the bible..since you never observed or experience God ...and then make a claim of Faith...then you have to place that Faith in the authors of the bible and not God that would only be true if my ONLY reference was the bible, which it is not or if I had never had an experience with God example: I have faith in the authors of math books who say two plus two is four, because I have PERSONAL Experiences which back up that information I have faith in the authors of the Bible, because my experiences (according to my perception) back up the validity of a God if someone wrote a book about magical spaghetti, it would be hard for me to have faith in because of its UNLIKELINESS and my absence of personal experiences with spaghetti to validate it is magical,,, MsHarmony...I knew that Columbus book deal would get you to change your testimony ...first you claim that those that never observed or experienced God would need Faith to believe...and now you're claiming that you have Faith because you had a personal experience with God ... like I said you're double talking and playing both sides of the fence you can never get a straight answer about Faith from you guys whatever floats your boat dude the issue keeps changing, from faith in general, to faith in columbus specifically, to faith in authors specifically, to faith in God specifically life isnt so simple, pick an issue and stick with it and things may make more sense,,, MsHarmony you were the one that tried to be slick and brought up Columbus ...but once it was used against you it resulted in you contradicting yourself and making a claim that you personally experienced God ......so allow me to guess how this experience came about 1. you experienced God in a dream 2. you ate a bad burrito and experienced God in an hallucination 3. you heard voices and believed you were experiencing God 4. the dog next door barked 5. or perhaps you are claiming that you actually met God face to face and this is why Faith is either immoral or used immorally as a way to spread ones idealogy into soceity and to the world as Truth without having to take responsibility for the consequences this is why those that push the concept of God with a claim of Faith is responsible for what that God does or what others do in his name |
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I tried to tell you that Harmony. Notice how I'm now overlooked? It's a troll. He says he can't get a straight answer.. ..even though he's gotten one five times over. So, don't waste your energy. point made perhaps it's better to be a Troll then one of the Pod People that way one do not have to be bother with other people telling them who they can or can not post to |
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Definition of ZEALOUS : marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal : filled with or characterized by zeal <zealous missionaries> Definition of JEALOUS 1a : intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness b : disposed to suspect rivalry or unfaithfulness 2: hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage 3: vigilant in guarding a possession <new colonies were jealous of their new independence — Scott Buchanan> Chocolina said : And also : Adjective zealous (comparative more zealous, superlative most zealous) Full of zeal; ardent, fervent; exhibiting enthusiasm or strong passion. [quotations ▼] [edit] Synonyms (full of zeal): ardent, eager, enthusiastic, fervent, passionate, zealotic Related terms zealously zealousness jealous zeal zealot Msharmony said: 'related' isnt very specific,, they are spelled similar,, that could make them 'related' Peter_Pan69 said: I think the Hebrew word is: בקנאה = nf. envy, jealousy, jealousness, grudge; fanaticism, zeal Peter_Pan69, Thanks right 
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Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ? God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice Where He said that ? it's a biblical story in which God commands Abraham to kill his son as a burnt offering to him Funches , you said alone - that is a biblical story hence God hasn't anything with it but a man .. So give another try to answer where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ? the biblical stories in the bible are the true word of God? ..... Funches , as I know the holly books are just books written by different ppl in different times and interpreted in different ways. Each book is a moral codes and very precious of each religion but they are just books .. Who claim they are true word of God means they sprad lies because to try to spread moral values in the name of God is one but to write down God's word in it is something else. God doesn't need books to reveal and display his power or existence So how do you know that God order ppl to kill ppl ? |
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for my own example I may have FAITH that there was someone named COLUMBUS who came to the americas now, if there REALLY Was this columbus, my faith would happen to be based in a fact if there never was, my faith would happen to not be based in fact so MsHarmony... you need faith in order to believe that humans exist named Columbus? ...so do you also believe that you will get toss into the lake of fire if you didn't have Faith in Columbus? I'm trying to figure out why you need Faith in Columbus Im not sure where I posted any of the above I dont know how to re post in any simpler terms,,,, are you placing your Faith in Columbus...or are you placing your Faith in those that wrote the books that you read about Columbus the authors right....the same with the bible..since you never observed or experience God ...and then make a claim of Faith...then you have to place that Faith in the authors of the bible and not God that would only be true if my ONLY reference was the bible, which it is not or if I had never had an experience with God example: I have faith in the authors of math books who say two plus two is four, because I have PERSONAL Experiences which back up that information I have faith in the authors of the Bible, because my experiences (according to my perception) back up the validity of a God if someone wrote a book about magical spaghetti, it would be hard for me to have faith in because of its UNLIKELINESS and my absence of personal experiences with spaghetti to validate it is magical,,, MsHarmony...I knew that Columbus book deal would get you to change your testimony ...first you claim that those that never observed or experienced God would need Faith to believe...and now you're claiming that you have Faith because you had a personal experience with God ... like I said you're double talking and playing both sides of the fence you can never get a straight answer about Faith from you guys whatever floats your boat dude the issue keeps changing, from faith in general, to faith in columbus specifically, to faith in authors specifically, to faith in God specifically life isnt so simple, pick an issue and stick with it and things may make more sense,,, MsHarmony you were the one that tried to be slick and brought up Columbus ...but once it was used against you it resulted in you contradicting yourself and making a claim that you personally experienced God ......so allow me to guess how this experience came about 1. you experienced God in a dream 2. you ate a bad burrito and experienced God in an hallucination 3. you heard voices and believed you were experiencing God 4. the dog next door barked 5. or perhaps you are claiming that you actually met God face to face and this is why Faith is either immoral or used immorally as a way to spread ones idealogy into soceity and to the world as Truth without having to take responsibility for the consequences this is why those that push the concept of God with a claim of Faith is responsible for what that God does or what others do in his name 'used against you',,,,lol whatever dude,,, |
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Funches , as I know the holly books are just books written by different ppl in different times and interpreted in different ways. according to believers these holy books were "inspired by God"....but unfortunetly trying to get an exact meaning as to what "inspired from God" is from a believer would in itself require a miracle "inspired by God" could mean anything from God whispering the words in their ear to possessing their bodies and using their hands to write the content... Each book is a moral codes and very precious of each religion but they are just books .. but they are book of Faith...somehow Faith magically change regular books into super books ...I'll reveal how this is accomplish if someone ever reveal what Faith actually is Who claim they are true word of God means they sprad lies because to try to spread moral values in the name of God is one but to write down God's word in it is something else. believers will tell you that the bible is the true word of their God or God(s)....perhaps it may seem like a lie..but once they back this up with a claim of Faith...then magically it's no longer falls into the realm of lies it somehow becomes Truth God doesn't need books to reveal and display his power or existence generally God use lightning bolts to carve out his words in stone as he done with Moses...but trying to reproduce those stone tablets so that each believer or motel room has one seems a daunting task...and think about Jehovah Witnesses having to carry those stone tablets to people homes that they wake up early in the morning.....this is why believers thought it best to put the stone tablets into paperback format, So how do you know that God order ppl to kill ppl ? because within one of these holy books God tells a believer name Abraham to kill his only son Isaac as a burnt offering |
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'used against you',,,,lol
whatever dude,,, MsHarmony...at first you claim that those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe then you tried to use Columbus as an example ...you claim that since you never met columbus you would need faith in the authors that wrote the books about Columbus, that what they wrote was truth and then I said wouldn't the same also apply to the bible...that someone they never personally observed or experienced God would require Faith in the authors of the bible that what they wrote about God was truth and then finding yourself in a pickle you then claim that you had "personally experienced God" so what the heck does "personally experienced God" means?...is that the same double talk believers use to claim that the bible was "inspired by God" ... but anyway...if you claim that you personally experienced God...then why would you still need Faith ...unless you had doubts that it was God that you had that personal experience with...because it could have been Satan but anyway...can you explain the term "personally experienced God"...er...without sounding delusional? |
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'used against you',,,,lol
whatever dude,,, MsHarmony...at first you claim that those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe then you tried to use Columbus as an example ...you claim that since you never met columbus you would need faith in the authors that wrote the books about Columbus, that what they wrote was truth and then I said wouldn't the same also apply to the bible...that someone they never personally observed or experienced God would require Faith in the authors of the bible that what they wrote about God was truth and then finding yourself in a pickle you then claim that you had "personally experienced God" so what the heck does "personally experienced God" means?...is that the same double talk believers use to claim that the bible was "inspired by God" ... but anyway...if you claim that you personally experienced God...then why would you still need Faith ...unless you had doubts that it was God that you had that personal experience with...because it could have been Satan but anyway...can you explain the term "personally experienced God"...er...without sounding delusional? probably not to you,,,, carry on,,, |
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'used against you',,,,lol
whatever dude,,, MsHarmony...at first you claim that those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe then you tried to use Columbus as an example ...you claim that since you never met columbus you would need faith in the authors that wrote the books about Columbus, that what they wrote was truth and then I said wouldn't the same also apply to the bible...that someone they never personally observed or experienced God would require Faith in the authors of the bible that what they wrote about God was truth and then finding yourself in a pickle you then claim that you had "personally experienced God" so what the heck does "personally experienced God" means?...is that the same double talk believers use to claim that the bible was "inspired by God" ... but anyway...if you claim that you personally experienced God...then why would you still need Faith ...unless you had doubts that it was God that you had that personal experience with...because it could have been Satan but anyway...can you explain the term "personally experienced God"...er...without sounding delusional? probably not to you,,,, carry on,,, apparently not to yourself either |
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'used against you',,,,lol
whatever dude,,, MsHarmony...at first you claim that those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe then you tried to use Columbus as an example ...you claim that since you never met columbus you would need faith in the authors that wrote the books about Columbus, that what they wrote was truth and then I said wouldn't the same also apply to the bible...that someone they never personally observed or experienced God would require Faith in the authors of the bible that what they wrote about God was truth and then finding yourself in a pickle you then claim that you had "personally experienced God" so what the heck does "personally experienced God" means?...is that the same double talk believers use to claim that the bible was "inspired by God" ... but anyway...if you claim that you personally experienced God...then why would you still need Faith ...unless you had doubts that it was God that you had that personal experience with...because it could have been Satan but anyway...can you explain the term "personally experienced God"...er...without sounding delusional? probably not to you,,,, carry on,,, apparently not to yourself either You know God is there when everything in your life could be going wrong at the same time, but you have a comforted heart that God will provide. When your alone in this world but you feel like there is always someone there to hear your problems, understand, and comfort you providing you with what you need to overcome any obsticle there could be in this world. |
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'used against you',,,,lol
whatever dude,,, MsHarmony...at first you claim that those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe then you tried to use Columbus as an example ...you claim that since you never met columbus you would need faith in the authors that wrote the books about Columbus, that what they wrote was truth and then I said wouldn't the same also apply to the bible...that someone they never personally observed or experienced God would require Faith in the authors of the bible that what they wrote about God was truth and then finding yourself in a pickle you then claim that you had "personally experienced God" so what the heck does "personally experienced God" means?...is that the same double talk believers use to claim that the bible was "inspired by God" ... but anyway...if you claim that you personally experienced God...then why would you still need Faith ...unless you had doubts that it was God that you had that personal experience with...because it could have been Satan but anyway...can you explain the term "personally experienced God"...er...without sounding delusional? probably not to you,,,, carry on,,, apparently not to yourself either keep trying, maybe some valid point will arise from the circular rhetoric,,, |
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"personally experienced God"...er...without sounding delusional? How would you expect one to answer that anyway? No matter the response, you associate it with a disorder. Or give it some "other name" outside of what it really is. Psychologists are hypocritical ***holes.. ..and it seems that's the role you want to take. So, play on playa. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 02/26/12 04:20 PM
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A lot of times when a person says he/she has
faith to believe in something; what he/she actually means is that he/she has CONFIDENCE in something. The FAITH to believe in God, however, is Faith that only comes from God, not man. The GOD kind of FAITH comes by HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD . (please pay close attention to HOW Faith comes...in fact, tnis is the ONLY way Faith to believe in God comes). And also...each person has already been given a certain measure of faith..and this measure of faith is given to each man BY GOD ALONE . Again.... Faith to believe in God comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.... and also.... a certain "measure of faith" is already given by God to each and every man . Meaning...this God kind of Faith does not come thru man's efforts...but comes only from God . That is why no man can ever boast when he has faith to believe in God and then receives God into his heart,and then become saved. Salvation also is of God's doing...not man's. 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 02/26/12 04:23 PM
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Also....( just scannning thru posts )....
EVERY WORD containied in the Bible is God breathed....God inspired....Inerrant...Unchangeble !!!! God does NOT make mistakes in His Word...and there are NO contradictions in God's Word.... God is a Big enough God to keep watch over His Holy Word !!! God IS the Word. Repeat: There are NO mistakes in God's Word. BUT....IF anyone should even try to add or take away from God's Word, it will not stand. God's Word stands true forever. God's Word is the same...yesterdy... today...and forever. The same with God . God is the same....yesterday....today....and forever. Amen.
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