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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe
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Sat 02/25/12 10:32 AM






P.S. Yahweh is perfect, go back and fix all of your mistakes...


yes your posts are a reflection of what you learned from Yahweh and your Faith in Yahweh...

so Yahweh tells you to tell others to fix their mistakes ...or what?...they get toss into the lake of fire?


We know not the judgement God will give. Lol, that's why it's called a JUDGEMENT.


can't you use Faith to find out the judgement that God will give...I thought with Faith anything is possible....so is that quote an Un-Truth?


Anything is possible. But your question again doesn't make sense. It's a JUDGEMENT. Does the judge already know the verdict before the hearing? If so, what kind of "judgement" would that be? Wouldn't be.


then if you can not use Faith to regulate God's judgement...then wouldn't that mean that the phrase "anything is possible with Faith" is an Un-Truth


But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement. He judges with a righteous judgement. So if you didn't do what he tells one not to do, then obviously your judgement would be a good judgement in your case. If you do the opposite of what God has told us to do or not do, you're judgement would not be in your favor, ect.

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Sat 02/25/12 10:33 AM

No you don't need faith to know that you exist.


and that is why Truth does not require Faith ......ok now that we got that straight

now can you tell what Faith is without including "Truth" into the equation

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Sat 02/25/12 10:35 AM


No you don't need faith to know that you exist.


and that is why Truth does not require Faith ......ok now that we got that straight

now can you tell what Faith is without including "Truth" into the equation


How many times do you need faith to be explained?

Faith = what you believe to be true.

This ranges from but not limited to Abraham Lincoln having been a president, to you going to ths store later, to God being a true God.

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Sat 02/25/12 10:36 AM

But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement.


cool now this is the conversation that I want to get into ....

so God can be controlled with Faith?

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Sat 02/25/12 10:37 AM


But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement.


cool now this is the conversation that I want to get into ....

so God can be controlled with Faith?


No.... if you would include my entire post instead of editing it, you would have a better understanding.

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Sat 02/25/12 10:38 AM



But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement.


cool now this is the conversation that I want to get into ....

so God can be controlled with Faith?


No.... if you would include my entire post instead of editing it, you would have a better understanding.


But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement. He judges with a righteous judgement. So if you didn't do what he tells one not to do, then obviously your judgement would be a good judgement in your case. If you do the opposite of what God has told us to do or not do, you're judgement would not be in your favor, ect.

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Sat 02/25/12 10:51 AM
Edited by funches on Sat 02/25/12 10:51 AM



But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement.


cool now this is the conversation that I want to get into ....

so God can be controlled with Faith?


No....


then the phrase "anything is possible with Faith" is an Un-Truth

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Sat 02/25/12 11:02 AM



But you can use faith to regulate and or "influence" God's judgement.


cool now this is the conversation that I want to get into ....

so God can be controlled with Faith?


No.... if you would include my entire post instead of editing it, you would have a better understanding.


it's because your posts are always a contradiction

first you claim that God can be controlled with Faith...and in the very same post you stated but first you have to do everything God tells you to do .....in case no one told you..doing everything that God or anyone tells you to do would be them controlling you not you controlling them

but for a believer to even suggest that God can be controlled in any way...would constitute as a lack of Faith

repent Heathen

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Sat 02/25/12 11:15 AM

repent Heathen



I don't think there's enough paint to repaint heaven.


Howsabout we just order some ribs and watch Free Willy?




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Sat 02/25/12 11:26 AM


my answer would be

yes, faith is moral

'truth' is something that has to be tempered with logic and knowledge and the ability to put things in context and understand 'truth' as both subjective and objective, depending upon the situation,,,


a Truth is Truth and therefore would not require Faith that it was Truth

which is why explaining what Truth is does not explain what Faith is or if Faith is Moral



I answered two questions

no explanations given




'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth

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Sat 02/25/12 11:26 AM

You believers crack me up you're gonna defend your myth no matter if the story of your precious God was actually another story stolen by the hebrews.The amazing part is y'all know it was stolen but still believe in it.


non believers crack me up trying so hard to prove something unprovable is untrue



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Sat 02/25/12 11:33 AM




Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice

It was a test.

Abraham failed (but God judged him not).



God gave Abraham a direct command to kill his son but instead
Abraham chose to listen to an angel that told him not to do it...Abraham loved his son more than he loved God

probably another reason why God grieved


or maybe not

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15

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Sat 02/25/12 11:34 AM



No you don't need faith to know that you exist.


and that is why Truth does not require Faith ......ok now that we got that straight

now can you tell what Faith is without including "Truth" into the equation


How many times do you need faith to be explained?

Faith = what you believe to be true.

This ranges from but not limited to Abraham Lincoln having been a president, to you going to ths store later, to God being a true God.





I don't agree that "faith" is what you believe to be true but it is partly that. If you believe what the Bible says, you are placing your faith in the people who wrote it, or the people who told you it was true.

Do you ever worry about the world or your family or other things? Constant worry about "what is" or the way things are, demonstrates a lack of faith.

Worrying about what will or might happen... is a lack of faith.
Fear of the future, or fear of death, is a lack of faith.

You can be sure you will die some day. You either believe in life after death, or you don't or you don't know. Either way, why be afraid of death? What is ....IS.

Accept what is, and there is no fear. Have faith in what is and have faith in the law. There is no need to worry or fear.










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Sat 02/25/12 11:38 AM




Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice


Where He said that ?


it's a biblical story in which God commands Abraham to kill his son as a burnt offering to him


Funches ,
you said alone - that is a biblical story hence God hasn't anything with it but a man ..

So give another try to answer where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


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Sat 02/25/12 11:49 AM

No, there are only "state sanctioned" religions, and even those have to be run according to the rules the state lays down to society.

For example:

A person could not openly worship Zeus or Osiris anymore, nor if you built a temple to one would you be allowed the same protections and exemptions by law.


Oh, you can worship them, and if you take the necessary steps you can setup those same protections. You just can't follow ALL of the ancient practices, like the sacrifices. So you have to adapt it to modern sensibilities, just like the Mormons did.


to say about it as well. (This is a shame too, as I have recently read about some of the rituals - I think the annual orgy would be a blast!)


So pick and choose just like all the other religions do. Orgies aren't illegal.


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Sat 02/25/12 11:49 AM


repent Heathen



I don't think there's enough paint to repaint heaven.


Howsabout we just order some ribs and watch Free Willy?



Peter_Pan...I think you better stick with Yahweh ...remember he's a Jealous God

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Sat 02/25/12 11:59 AM

'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth


so MsHarmony...using your words...so those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe?





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Sat 02/25/12 12:01 PM


'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth


so MsHarmony...using your words...so those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe?








yes

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Sat 02/25/12 12:01 PM



repent Heathen



I don't think there's enough paint to repaint heaven.


Howsabout we just order some ribs and watch Free Willy?



Peter_Pan...I think you better stick with Yahweh ...remember he's a Jealous God



Ewww, nice!


Sooooo, you say he's a Jealous God, do ya?


I need to see that verse if you don't mind. I think you mis-read it. It's Zealous, NOT Jealous...



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Sat 02/25/12 12:03 PM





Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice

It was a test.

Abraham failed (but God judged him not).



God gave Abraham a direct command to kill his son but instead
Abraham chose to listen to an angel that told him not to do it...Abraham loved his son more than he loved God

probably another reason why God grieved


or maybe not

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15


but it's the fact that Abraham disobeyed a direct command from God...but yet followed the direct command of an angel


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