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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe
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Sat 02/25/12 12:05 PM





Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice


Where He said that ?


it's a biblical story in which God commands Abraham to kill his son as a burnt offering to him


Funches ,
you said alone - that is a biblical story hence God hasn't anything with it but a man ..

So give another try to answer where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?




the biblical stories in the bible are the true word of God? .....

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Sat 02/25/12 12:06 PM






Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice

It was a test.

Abraham failed (but God judged him not).



God gave Abraham a direct command to kill his son but instead
Abraham chose to listen to an angel that told him not to do it...Abraham loved his son more than he loved God

probably another reason why God grieved


or maybe not

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15


but it's the fact that Abraham disobeyed a direct command from God...but yet followed the direct command of an angel




an angel of the LORD,,,angels cannot bless, this makes most sense in context to be representing GODS word,,,

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Sat 02/25/12 12:09 PM




repent Heathen



I don't think there's enough paint to repaint heaven.


Howsabout we just order some ribs and watch Free Willy?



Peter_Pan...I think you better stick with Yahweh ...remember he's a Jealous God



Ewww, nice!


Sooooo, you say he's a Jealous God, do ya?


I need to see that verse if you don't mind. I think you mis-read it. It's Zealous, NOT Jealous...






in fact Funches is right - zealous may translated like jealous
but even if you want to say Zeus he was also damn jealous god.

happy

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Sat 02/25/12 12:11 PM






Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice


Where He said that ?


it's a biblical story in which God commands Abraham to kill his son as a burnt offering to him


Funches ,
you said alone - that is a biblical story hence God hasn't anything with it but a man ..

So give another try to answer where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?




the biblical stories in the bible are the true word of God? .....



Who says that the biblical stories in the bible are the true word of God either has no idea abt religion or lies as hell abt it .


So how do you know that God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?

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Sat 02/25/12 12:14 PM
Definition of ZEALOUS
: marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal : filled with or characterized by zeal <zealous missionaries>



Definition of JEALOUS
1a : intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness b : disposed to suspect rivalry or unfaithfulness
2: hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage
3: vigilant in guarding a possession <new colonies were jealous of their new independence — Scott Buchanan>

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Sat 02/25/12 12:17 PM



'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth


so MsHarmony...using your words...so those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe?




yes


so Faith is belief....not fact

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Sat 02/25/12 12:20 PM




'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth


so MsHarmony...using your words...so those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe?




yes


so Faith is belief....not fact




asked and answered


faith, hope, despair, are all states of being , either reinforced or lessened by perception and 'truth'


which may or may not be based in 'fact'


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Sat 02/25/12 12:21 PM

Definition of ZEALOUS
: marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal : filled with or characterized by zeal <zealous missionaries>



Definition of JEALOUS
1a : intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness b : disposed to suspect rivalry or unfaithfulness
2: hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage
3: vigilant in guarding a possession <new colonies were jealous of their new independence — Scott Buchanan>


And also :

Adjective

zealous (comparative more zealous, superlative most zealous)

Full of zeal; ardent, fervent; exhibiting enthusiasm or strong passion.  [quotations ▼]

[edit] Synonyms

(full of zeal): ardent, eager, enthusiastic, fervent, passionate, zealotic

Related terms
zealously
zealousness
jealous
zeal
zealot



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Sat 02/25/12 12:21 PM




repent Heathen



I don't think there's enough paint to repaint heaven.


Howsabout we just order some ribs and watch Free Willy?



Peter_Pan...I think you better stick with Yahweh ...remember he's a Jealous God



Ewww, nice!


Sooooo, you say he's a Jealous God, do ya?


I need to see that verse if you don't mind. I think you mis-read it. It's Zealous, NOT Jealous...





Jealous, Zealous or Hellish...either way...you're not supposed to place another God before him

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Sat 02/25/12 12:23 PM


No you don't need faith to know that you exist.


and that is why Truth does not require Faith ......ok now that we got that straight

now can you tell what Faith is without including "Truth" into the equation

That would be where nothing comes into play.

Faith without the filter of truth is a belief in nothing.

Or a belief in smoke and mirrors.

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Sat 02/25/12 12:23 PM


Definition of ZEALOUS
: marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal : filled with or characterized by zeal <zealous missionaries>



Definition of JEALOUS
1a : intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness b : disposed to suspect rivalry or unfaithfulness
2: hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage
3: vigilant in guarding a possession <new colonies were jealous of their new independence — Scott Buchanan>


And also :

Adjective

zealous (comparative more zealous, superlative most zealous)

Full of zeal; ardent, fervent; exhibiting enthusiasm or strong passion.  [quotations ▼]

[edit] Synonyms

(full of zeal): ardent, eager, enthusiastic, fervent, passionate, zealotic

Related terms
zealously
zealousness
jealous
zeal
zealot






'related' isnt very specific,, they are spelled similar,, that could make them 'related'

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Sat 02/25/12 12:25 PM



No you don't need faith to know that you exist.


and that is why Truth does not require Faith ......ok now that we got that straight

now can you tell what Faith is without including "Truth" into the equation

That would be where nothing comes into play.

Faith without the filter of truth is a belief in nothing.

Or a belief in smoke and mirrors.



also, to be cliche

Hebrews 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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Sat 02/25/12 12:28 PM

I don't agree that "faith" is what you believe to be true but it is partly that. If you believe what the Bible says, you are placing your faith in the people who wrote it, or the people who told you it was true.


I agree...those with a belief which pertains to the bible that never observed God or experienced God...then their Faith has to lie with those that wrote the bible.. not God

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Sat 02/25/12 12:32 PM







Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice

It was a test.

Abraham failed (but God judged him not).



God gave Abraham a direct command to kill his son but instead
Abraham chose to listen to an angel that told him not to do it...Abraham loved his son more than he loved God

probably another reason why God grieved


or maybe not

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15


but it's the fact that Abraham disobeyed a direct command from God...but yet followed the direct command of an angel




an angel of the LORD,,,angels cannot bless, this makes most sense in context to be representing GODS word,,,


you mean an angel like Satan representing God's word .....this is why a direct command from God should only be rescinded by a direct command from God

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Sat 02/25/12 12:40 PM





'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth


so MsHarmony...using your words...so those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe?




yes


so Faith is belief....not fact




asked and answered


faith, hope, despair, are all states of being , either reinforced or lessened by perception and 'truth'


which may or may not be based in 'fact'




made or made not be based in fact? ...sounds like double talking ...so perhaps an example is needed to clear things up

so let's use the example of the child molesting priests that perhaps claim that what they they were doing to the children was a matter of Faith

so what would Faith be in this example ...

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:43 PM








Find where God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


God told Abraham to kill his son Isaac as a sacifice

It was a test.

Abraham failed (but God judged him not).



God gave Abraham a direct command to kill his son but instead
Abraham chose to listen to an angel that told him not to do it...Abraham loved his son more than he loved God

probably another reason why God grieved


or maybe not

The angel of the LORD called to Abraham from heaven a second time and said, "I swear by myself, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me." (Genesis 22:10-12, 15


but it's the fact that Abraham disobeyed a direct command from God...but yet followed the direct command of an angel




an angel of the LORD,,,angels cannot bless, this makes most sense in context to be representing GODS word,,,


you mean an angel like Satan representing God's word .....this is why a direct command from God should only be rescinded by a direct command from God



IYO


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Sat 02/25/12 12:44 PM

Who says that the biblical stories in the bible are the true word of God either has no idea abt religion or lies as hell abt it .


So how do you know that God said ppl to kill other ppl in his name ?


chocolina...the bible is the true word, because God said it is

and I know that God said this, because it's in the bible

msharmony's photo
Sat 02/25/12 12:45 PM






'truth' is truth, this is true

but 'truth' that has not been personally observed or experienced, does require 'faith' to believe

but not 'faith' to make it truth


so MsHarmony...using your words...so those that never personally observed or experienced God would require "Faith" to believe?




yes


so Faith is belief....not fact




asked and answered


faith, hope, despair, are all states of being , either reinforced or lessened by perception and 'truth'


which may or may not be based in 'fact'




made or made not be based in fact? ...sounds like double talking ...so perhaps an example is needed to clear things up

so let's use the example of the child molesting priests that perhaps claim that what they they were doing to the children was a matter of Faith

so what would Faith be in this example ...




not double talking, but talking about something that has an array of possibilities,,, (generalizing)

as to the priests , I dont underatnd the question


for my own example

I may have FAITH that there was someone named COLUMBUS who came to the americas

now, if there REALLY Was this columbus, my faith would happen to be based in a fact

if there never was, my faith would happen to not be based in fact

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Sat 02/25/12 12:47 PM



Definition of ZEALOUS
: marked by fervent partisanship for a person, a cause, or an ideal : filled with or characterized by zeal <zealous missionaries>



Definition of JEALOUS
1a : intolerant of rivalry or unfaithfulness b : disposed to suspect rivalry or unfaithfulness
2: hostile toward a rival or one believed to enjoy an advantage
3: vigilant in guarding a possession <new colonies were jealous of their new independence — Scott Buchanan>


And also :

Adjective

zealous (comparative more zealous, superlative most zealous)

Full of zeal; ardent, fervent; exhibiting enthusiasm or strong passion.  [quotations ▼]

[edit] Synonyms

(full of zeal): ardent, eager, enthusiastic, fervent, passionate, zealotic

Related terms
zealously
zealousness
jealous
zeal
zealot






'related' isnt very specific,, they are spelled similar,, that could make them 'related'



I think the Hebrew word is:
בקנאה = nf. envy, jealousy, jealousness, grudge; fanaticism, zeal




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Sat 02/25/12 12:53 PM



No you don't need faith to know that you exist.


and that is why Truth does not require Faith ......ok now that we got that straight

now can you tell what Faith is without including "Truth" into the equation

That would be where nothing comes into play.

Faith without the filter of truth is a belief in nothing.

Or a belief in smoke and mirrors.


AdventureBegins...if your beliefs are nothing without Faith...then why would they magically become something with Faith


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