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Cowboy then by "we" you mean whom? You "Christians" or you and the rest of your cult or church? The term "God" is used by Muslims and Jews too and they don't believe in Jesus. I use the term "God" also and I don't believe in Jesus. C'mon jeannie, cult? I said cult or church. I don't know where Cowboy gets his beliefs, as he does not seem to agree with other Christians on this site. Maybe he started a cult of his own... I just don't know. The name as revealed in the Hebrew Bible is my pic, quite poetic if you think about. "In the image of God (YHWH)" :-Þ The Hebrew Bible, the Christian Bible... blah blah blah... how many different Bibles are there? So many people use the term "God" and everyone has a different concept of what that is so I cannot apply the meaning of that term where is does not change according to whom is uttering it. I said cult or church. I don't know where Cowboy gets his beliefs, as he does not seem to agree with other Christians on this site. Maybe he started a cult of his own... I just don't know. I do not disagree with everything lol. Only a couple things here and there. Some I was in the error of, some I wasn't. I follow no cult. I obey what Jesus has commanded, Jesus' teachings. Not "Christian" teachings, not "baptists, catholics, ect". I follow Jesus' teachings. Jesus, if he existed, never commanded anything. ??? There is an entire new testament with different commandments to do or not do certain things. So? Jesus did not write the new testament. So I'm guessing you don't view biographys are true unless they were written by the person themself? That's all the new testament is more or less, is a biography. It is more then that of course, but at the nitty bitty it is a biography. And fortells of future events eg., prophecies, but nevertheless they are given by the person in mention thus still resulting in a biography. And good thing you don't live in the medevil times with that form of mindset. The kings usually had scribes, so I could see you saying you didn't have to obey that law for the king didn't write it. The new testament was written some 300 years after Jesus was supposed to have walked the earth, if he existed. It may have been pure fable or myth or fiction. To call is a "biography" is an opinion that I don't happen to agree with. After 300 years, a story is basically a myth. If it is a story that has been passed down for 300 years, it has probably been changed a lot. But my point is what the author(s) said about Jesus and any "commands" he may have made is second hand hearsay even if there is any truth in it. So again, Jesus himself did not write the New Testament or give any commands and the New Testament was not written by anyone who saw him or heard him do it themselves either. So I find it hard to believe. The bible was written 300 years ago, maybe. Don't know, is irrelevant to know and meaningless. The scriptures inside the bible were written at the time Jesus lived. The bible is a collection of different books written by different people at different times. The "bible" as whole was not written as a whole. |
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God = That "nothingness" that existed before time and space. That "nothingness" that exits in between the protons and electrons of every atom. That "nothingness" that created everything... |
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What are you talking about? When the original scriptures were written they probably didn't even use the same grammar as we do for one it was in a different language, for another it was many many many years ago. in the original scripture it doesn't say anything about God not being a supernatural entity but only a "title of authority" ...in fact I've never heard anyone say/post that but you Jesus taught about God not about lower case letters on a computer keyboard only way your post would make sense is if Jesus was a time lord and has a tardis like Dr. Who |
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God = That "nothingness" that existed before time and space. That "nothingness" that exits in between the protons and electrons of every atom. That "nothingness" that created everything... I like that. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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The bible was written 300 years ago, maybe. Don't know, is irrelevant to know and meaningless. The scriptures inside the bible were written at the time Jesus lived. The bible is a collection of different books written by different people at different times. The "bible" as whole was not written as a whole. Not 300 years ago. -- 300 years after Jesus was supposed to have walked the earth. The scriptures of the New Testament were written 300 years AFTER JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WALKED THE EARTH. (LIVED) The old Hebrew Bible was written earlier than that. |
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What are you talking about? When the original scriptures were written they probably didn't even use the same grammar as we do for one it was in a different language, for another it was many many many years ago. in the original scripture it doesn't say anything about God not being a supernatural entity but only a "title of authority" ...in fact I've never heard anyone say/post that but you Jesus taught about God not about lower case letters on a computer keyboard only way your post would make sense is if Jesus was a time lord and has a tardis like Dr. Who Only YOU have said God is a title of authority, only YOU. I've never once said "God" is a title of authority. |
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Before anyone can have an intelligent conversation about "God" you must define and describe and agree on what that term means exactly. Otherwise the whole conversation begins with a misunderstanding and goes nowhere. you can forget about getting a clear definition in this place...I'm still wating on one for Faith ...and of course "personally experienced God" Which has been answered many times. But your delusions don't allow you to see them. Cowboy...you gave a description about depression...unless depression is how people "personally experienced God" |
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The bible was written 300 years ago, maybe. Don't know, is irrelevant to know and meaningless. The scriptures inside the bible were written at the time Jesus lived. The bible is a collection of different books written by different people at different times. The "bible" as whole was not written as a whole. Not 300 years ago. -- 300 years after Jesus was supposed to have walked the earth. The scriptures of the New Testament were written 300 years AFTER JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WALKED THE EARTH. (LIVED) The old Hebrew Bible was written earlier than that. Matthew was written in 60 AD Mark was written in late 50 AD to early 60 AD. But when the scriptures were written, they weren't written directly in the bible or directly in these books eg., mark, matthew, luke, ect. They were written at the time and not gathered together for some years. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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The bible was written 300 years ago, maybe. Don't know, is irrelevant to know and meaningless. The scriptures inside the bible were written at the time Jesus lived. The bible is a collection of different books written by different people at different times. The "bible" as whole was not written as a whole. Not 300 years ago. -- 300 years after Jesus was supposed to have walked the earth. The scriptures of the New Testament were written 300 years AFTER JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WALKED THE EARTH. (LIVED) The old Hebrew Bible was written earlier than that. Matthew was written in 60 AD Mark was written in late 50 AD to early 60 AD. But when the scriptures were written, they weren't written directly in the bible or directly in these books eg., mark, matthew, luke, ect. They were written at the time and not gathered together for some years. where is your proof of when any particular scripture was written? Scholars disagree I believe. |
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Before anyone can have an intelligent conversation about "God" you must define and describe and agree on what that term means exactly. Otherwise the whole conversation begins with a misunderstanding and goes nowhere. you can forget about getting a clear definition in this place...I'm still wating on one for Faith ...and of course "personally experienced God" Which has been answered many times. But your delusions don't allow you to see them. Cowboy...you gave a description about depression...unless depression is how people "personally experienced God" The only description I gave of depression was stating someone being depressed. That is one form of personal experience. I personally have been through a major car wrech. Died for 40 mins, doctors were not sure if I was going to come back. Then God proved them wrong and I was brought back to life. After that I was in a coma for 4.5 months. The doctors said I may very well never come out of the coma and if I did would probably be brain dead and or a vegetable. God once again proved them wrong showing his power in healing. |
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The bible was written 300 years ago, maybe. Don't know, is irrelevant to know and meaningless. The scriptures inside the bible were written at the time Jesus lived. The bible is a collection of different books written by different people at different times. The "bible" as whole was not written as a whole. Not 300 years ago. -- 300 years after Jesus was supposed to have walked the earth. The scriptures of the New Testament were written 300 years AFTER JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WALKED THE EARTH. (LIVED) The old Hebrew Bible was written earlier than that. Matthew was written in 60 AD Mark was written in late 50 AD to early 60 AD. But when the scriptures were written, they weren't written directly in the bible or directly in these books eg., mark, matthew, luke, ect. They were written at the time and not gathered together for some years. where is your proof of when any particular scripture was written? Scholars disagree I believe. Only you are disagreeing. But check it out if you wish. http://carm.org/when-was-bible-written-and-who-wrote-it |
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Before anyone can have an intelligent conversation about "God" you must define and describe and agree on what that term means exactly. Otherwise the whole conversation begins with a misunderstanding and goes nowhere. you can forget about getting a clear definition in this place...I'm still wating on one for Faith ...and of course "personally experienced God" I gave you one. "personally experienced God" ------- Looking at myself in the mirror.... and feeling Joy. I'm dead on serious too. so when people lke what they see in the mirror they "personally experienced God" ..... |
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\
God asks that we accept His Son!!!! THEN ARE WE ABLE TO OBEY ....AFTER we have accepted His Son......THEN we are able to Obey out of LOVE for God now...AND ALSO because God LIVING IN US NOW, IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO IS HELPING US TO OBEY !!! POINT BEING ,IT NOT US OBEYING ON OUR OWN , BUT GOD THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW INDWELLING US, WHO IS HELPING US TO OBEY !!!!! Again.... God NEVER commands us to obey Him......simply because our trying to obey God without accepting His Son FIRST, is just dead religious works to God...nothing more. As said before.....can't emphasize this enough. 
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Edited by
funches
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What are you talking about? When the original scriptures were written they probably didn't even use the same grammar as we do for one it was in a different language, for another it was many many many years ago. in the original scripture it doesn't say anything about God not being a supernatural entity but only a "title of authority" ...in fact I've never heard anyone say/post that but you Jesus taught about God not about lower case letters on a computer keyboard only way your post would make sense is if Jesus was a time lord and has a tardis like Dr. Who Only YOU have said God is a title of authority, only YOU. I've never once said "God" is a title of authority. except here's the post when you stated that God is title of authority POSTED BY COWBOY: god is title of authority you even claimed that God isn't a supernatural entity but a title of authority |
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What are you talking about? When the original scriptures were written they probably didn't even use the same grammar as we do for one it was in a different language, for another it was many many many years ago. in the original scripture it doesn't say anything about God not being a supernatural entity but only a "title of authority" ...in fact I've never heard anyone say/post that but you Jesus taught about God not about lower case letters on a computer keyboard only way your post would make sense is if Jesus was a time lord and has a tardis like Dr. Who Only YOU have said God is a title of authority, only YOU. I've never once said "God" is a title of authority. expect here's the post when you stated that God is title of authority POSTED BY COWBOY: god is title of authority you even claimed that God isn't a supernatural entity but a title of authority sure seems like you said it I said "god" is a title of authority. I did not say "God" is a title of authority. God is a name, it is in reference to a specific being/entity. It is the name we have given Jesus' father for we know not what it is. Jesus only refers to his father as "his father". god is a title of authority. |
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Before anyone can have an intelligent conversation about "God" you must define and describe and agree on what that term means exactly. Otherwise the whole conversation begins with a misunderstanding and goes nowhere. you can forget about getting a clear definition in this place...I'm still wating on one for Faith ...and of course "personally experienced God" Which has been answered many times. But your delusions don't allow you to see them. Cowboy...you gave a description about depression...unless depression is how people "personally experienced God" The only description I gave of depression was stating someone being depressed. That is one form of personal experience. I personally have been through a major car wrech. Died for 40 mins, doctors were not sure if I was going to come back. Then God proved them wrong and I was brought back to life. After that I was in a coma for 4.5 months. The doctors said I may very well never come out of the coma and if I did would probably be brain dead and or a vegetable. God once again proved them wrong showing his power in healing. well perhaps you "personally experienced your doctors" because I'm pretty sure the doctors had something to do with your recovery...and God would have done better if he didn't let you get into a car wreak in the first place ...but anyway your post only explain why you were/are depress |
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MorningSong
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God is One Supernatural Entity.....One Supreme
Being....God Almighty ....NOT a title of authority. And Jesus's Father, as you keep saying ,Cowboy, is the SAME ENTITY (SAME ONE SUPREME BEING )as God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit .
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ so The Ten Commandments is not God commanding people to obey him? |
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Before anyone can have an intelligent conversation about "God" you must define and describe and agree on what that term means exactly. Otherwise the whole conversation begins with a misunderstanding and goes nowhere. you can forget about getting a clear definition in this place...I'm still wating on one for Faith ...and of course "personally experienced God" Which has been answered many times. But your delusions don't allow you to see them. Cowboy...you gave a description about depression...unless depression is how people "personally experienced God" The only description I gave of depression was stating someone being depressed. That is one form of personal experience. I personally have been through a major car wrech. Died for 40 mins, doctors were not sure if I was going to come back. Then God proved them wrong and I was brought back to life. After that I was in a coma for 4.5 months. The doctors said I may very well never come out of the coma and if I did would probably be brain dead and or a vegetable. God once again proved them wrong showing his power in healing. well perhaps you "personally experienced your doctors" because I'm pretty sure the doctors had something to do with your recovery...and God would have done better if he didn't let you get into a car wreak in the first place ...but anyway your post only explain why you were/are depress Nobody said anything about me being depressed. And yeah the doctors had a little to do with it, but all the doctors and medical "laws" said I would not make it. So no, the doctors didn't have a great deal to do with it for they thought with all their "knowledge" I would not make it. |
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I said "god" is a title of authority. I did not say "God" is a title of authority. God is a name, it is in reference to a specific being/entity. It is the name we have given Jesus' father for we know not what it is. Jesus only refers to his father as "his father". god is a title of authority. so Jesus is god but not God |
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