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Topic: Do You Have The Right To Believe
CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 03/08/12 05:20 AM
Jesus did NOT break ANY laws. Jesus was without sin. claiming or trying to convince the people that you are God would be breaking both Jewish and Roman laws so MorningSong ..did Jesus ever claim to be God Please enlighten us where this was a law and how he broke it. first let see if Jesus claim to be God then after that then we will search for the laws that he perhaps broke by making such claims I already showed where Jesus told us he was our God. Now it is your turn to back your claims and show where it broke a law.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:21 AM
He did not break one law. Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant/law and give us a new. He did not one sin nor did he break any law(s). Cowboy... did Jesus ever claim that he was God? Isaiah 41:13 13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. don't hide behind scripture....I'm asking you...did Jesus claim that he was God Seriously, what in the world are you talking about? You asked if Jesus claimed to be God, so I showed where he specifically says he's God. No one's hiding behind any scriptures. Ask and ye shall receive. Cowboy...scripture can be mis-interpeted...which is why I'm asking you....did Jesus ever claim to be God

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 03/08/12 05:22 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Thu 03/08/12 05:23 AM
He did not break one law. Jesus was fulfilling the old covenant/law and give us a new. He did not one sin nor did he break any law(s). Cowboy... did Jesus ever claim that he was God? Isaiah 41:13 13For I the LORD thy God will hold thy right hand, saying unto thee, Fear not; I will help thee. don't hide behind scripture....I'm asking you...did Jesus claim that he was God Seriously, what in the world are you talking about? You asked if Jesus claimed to be God, so I showed where he specifically says he's God. No one's hiding behind any scriptures. Ask and ye shall receive. Cowboy...scripture can be mis-interpeted...which is why I'm asking you....did Jesus ever claim to be God I understand why you don't understand the scriptures if you could possibly mistranslate For "I" the lord your GOD will....

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:23 AM
If you read Matthew, a major portion of that is the scribes trying sooooo hard to find Jesus sinning. An entire chapter. Nothing. They gave up on finding him at fault, they FRAMED him. Created lies. Etc.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:25 AM
If you read Matthew, a major portion of that is the scribes trying sooooo hard to find Jesus sinning. An entire chapter. Nothing. They gave up on finding him at fault, they FRAMED him. Created lies. Etc. Sin_and _Sorrow.....Cowboy just said that Jesus claimed to be God.....which would indicate that he wasn't being frame also you claim that Jesus never claimed to be God...Cowboy said that he did claimed to be God.....so you both can't be right so are you right or is Cowboy right

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 03/08/12 05:27 AM
If you read Matthew, a major portion of that is the scribes trying sooooo hard to find Jesus sinning. An entire chapter. Nothing. They gave up on finding him at fault, they FRAMED him. Created lies. Etc. Sin_and _Sorrow.....Cowboy just said that Jesus claimed to be God.....which would indicate that he wasn't being frame also you claim that Jesus never claimed to be God...Cowboy said that he did claimed to be God.....so you both can't be right so are you right or is Cowboy right He wasn't crucified for claiming to be our God. He was crucified for saying he was King of the Jews. Which he is also, he is king of kings.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:28 AM
If you read Matthew, a major portion of that is the scribes trying sooooo hard to find Jesus sinning. An entire chapter. Nothing. They gave up on finding him at fault, they FRAMED him. Created lies. Etc. Sin_and _Sorrow.....Cowboy just said that Jesus claimed to be God.....which would indicate that he wasn't being frame also you claim that Jesus never claimed to be God...Cowboy said that he did claimed to be God.....so you both can't be right so are you right or is Cowboy right LORD. And he was speaking ON BEHALF of THEIR OVERALL MIGHTY GOD. AND, Funches. HE WAS FULFILLING A PROPHECY THEY KNEW WOULD COME TO PASS BECAUSE GOD TOLD MOSES and those people. He claimed exactly what they knew would come to pass; the prophecy. Thus, it is NOT a sin, because he was RIGHT. It was not a broken law because he was RIGHT. They knew it, they spent years trying to pin blame/fault on him. If what you said was true, why did Jesus have to FALSELY take the stand of what he was being accused of??

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:29 AM
Our responses, Funches, they go hand-in-hand. It tis you who is "misinterpretating" them.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 03/08/12 05:30 AM
If you read Matthew, a major portion of that is the scribes trying sooooo hard to find Jesus sinning. An entire chapter. Nothing. They gave up on finding him at fault, they FRAMED him. Created lies. Etc. Sin_and _Sorrow.....Cowboy just said that Jesus claimed to be God.....which would indicate that he wasn't being frame also you claim that Jesus never claimed to be God...Cowboy said that he did claimed to be God.....so you both can't be right so are you right or is Cowboy right LORD. And he was speaking ON BEHALF of THEIR OVERALL MIGHTY GOD. AND, Funches. HE WAS FULFILLING A PROPHECY THEY KNEW WOULD COME TO PASS BECAUSE GOD TOLD MOSES and those people. He claimed exactly what they knew would come to pass; the prophecy. Thus, it is NOT a sin, because he was RIGHT. It was not a broken law because he was RIGHT. They knew it, they spent years trying to pin blame/fault on him. If what you said was true, why did Jesus have to FALSELY take the stand of what he was being accused of?? Exactly.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:30 AM
Jesus NEVER said "I AM GOD". THAT would be "breaking" their law. But the Jew law was the Law of GOD. Jesus NEVER broke Jewish Law. Just as he NEVER broke Roman Law. Which you seem obsessed about as well.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:31 AM
Our responses, Funches, they go hand-in-hand. It tis you who is "misinterpretating" them. Sin_and_Sorrow... you claim that Jesus never claim that Jesus was God Cowboy...you claim that Jesus did claim to be God so how are I mis-interpeting anything one of you are spreading false gospel.....so which one of you are doing the work of Satan

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:33 AM
LORD.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 03/08/12 05:33 AM
Jesus NEVER said "I AM GOD". THAT would be "breaking" their law. But the Jew law was the Law of GOD. Jesus NEVER broke Jewish Law. Just as he NEVER broke Roman Law. Which you seem obsessed about as well. Exactly, glad you pointed this out. Jesus never said he was God. Jesus always said he was OUR God. If he would have claimed to be God in general, that would have ment he was claiming to be over all and have authority over all even including his father. Thus is the reason he said he was OUR God, and he cried out to his father saying HIS God.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:34 AM
Jesus NEVER said "I AM GOD". THAT would be "breaking" their law. But the Jew law was the Law of GOD. Jesus NEVER broke Jewish Law. Just as he NEVER broke Roman Law. Which you seem obsessed about as well. but Sin_and_Sorrow....Cowboy used a passage where Jesus claimed to be God...although Cowboy probably used a false passage but Cowboy is claiming that Jesus said that he was God

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:34 AM
Cowboy Said: Isaiah 41:13 13For I the LORD Sin_and_Sorrow Said: LORD not GOD.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:37 AM
Exactly, glad you pointed this out. Jesus never said he was God. Jesus always said he was OUR God. If he would have claimed to be God in general, that would have ment he was claiming to be over all and have authority over all even including his father. Thus is the reason he said he was OUR God, and he cried out to his father saying HIS God. Cowboy...claiming to be God or claiming to be our God would be the same as claiming to be God ..would it not?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:38 AM
LORD not GOD. Sin_and_Sorrow ...Cowboy claim that Jesus is Lord God so one of you two have to be wrong....which one?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Thu 03/08/12 05:38 AM
Jesus NEVER said "I AM GOD". THAT would be "breaking" their law. But the Jew law was the Law of GOD. Jesus NEVER broke Jewish Law. Just as he NEVER broke Roman Law. Which you seem obsessed about as well. but Sin_and_Sorrow....Cowboy used a passage where Jesus claimed to be God...although Cowboy probably used a false passage but Cowboy is claiming that Jesus said that he was God lol funches, listen please. Jesus isn't God in general. Jesus is OUR God, he is not where the buck stops. He is where the buck stops with US, but not in general. Thus he did his father's will as we are to do Jesus' will.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Thu 03/08/12 05:39 AM
Exactly, glad you pointed this out. Jesus never said he was God. Jesus always said he was OUR God. If he would have claimed to be God in general, that would have ment he was claiming to be over all and have authority over all even including his father. Thus is the reason he said he was OUR God, and he cried out to his father saying HIS God. Cowboy...claiming to be God or claiming to be our God would be the same as claiming to be God ..would it not? No because it was Prophecy. "The Lord GOD of Men shall come before thee in the Flesh." God told them HE would come.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Thu 03/08/12 05:42 AM
lol funches, listen please. Jesus isn't God in general. Jesus is OUR God, he is not where the buck stops. He is where the buck stops with US, but not in general. Thus he did his father's will as we are to do Jesus' will. Cowboy...I asked you if Jesus ever claim to be God ...yes or no because Sin_and_Sorrow...is saying that Jesus isn't God and never claimed to be God you both can not be right .....