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The bible was written 300 years ago, maybe. Don't know, is irrelevant to know and meaningless. The scriptures inside the bible were written at the time Jesus lived. The bible is a collection of different books written by different people at different times. The "bible" as whole was not written as a whole. Not 300 years ago. -- 300 years after Jesus was supposed to have walked the earth. The scriptures of the New Testament were written 300 years AFTER JESUS WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE WALKED THE EARTH. (LIVED) The old Hebrew Bible was written earlier than that. Matthew was written in 60 AD Mark was written in late 50 AD to early 60 AD. But when the scriptures were written, they weren't written directly in the bible or directly in these books eg., mark, matthew, luke, ect. They were written at the time and not gathered together for some years. where is your proof of when any particular scripture was written? Scholars disagree I believe. Only you are disagreeing. But check it out if you wish. http://carm.org/when-was-bible-written-and-who-wrote-it Sorry but I have my own sources. |
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I said "god" is a title of authority. I did not say "God" is a title of authority. God is a name, it is in reference to a specific being/entity. It is the name we have given Jesus' father for we know not what it is. Jesus only refers to his father as "his father". god is a title of authority. so Jesus is god but not God John 10:30 30I and my Father are one. |
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ God asks that we accept His Son!!!! THEN ARE WE ABLE TO OBEY ....AFTER we have accepted His Son......THEN we are able to Obey out of LOVE for God now...AND ALSO because God LIVING IN US NOW, IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO IS HELPING US TO OBEY !!! POINT BEING ,IT NOT US OBEYING ON OUR OWN , BUT GOD THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW INDWELLING US, WHO IS HELPING US TO OBEY !!!!! Again.... God NEVER commands us to obey Him......simply because our trying to obey God without accepting His Son FIRST, is just dead religious works to God...nothing more. As said before.....can't emphasize this enough.  When you repent, you change your heart. When your heart lines up with His Will, you are no longer "obeying", you are basically doing your own will. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ so The Ten Commandments is not God commanding people to obey him? God already KNEW man would fail miserably at keeping his commandments..that is why God sent us His Son. God just wants us to receive His Son into our hearts FIRST ,so we ARE THEN ABLE NOW to follow and OBEY God now...and keep His Commandments....but on GOD'S STRENGTH IN us now...HELPING us now to Obey. And PeterPan...yes...OUR will LINES UP with GOD'S WILL now....and we Obey out of a WILLING heart now BECAUSE of the CHANGED NATURE within us, which came when God came to LIVE in us and has now CHANGED our heart..... but also, God in us is the One who is Working IN us and THRU us now...helping us to obey .....and that iz why we are to simply YIELD WILLINGLY ,and simply allow God to work in and thru our lives. Remember...GOD IN us is The ONE Who is PERFECTING that GOOD WORK that HE HAS BEGUN IN US...NOT our doing.... We just willingly YIELD .... Again...That is why Jesus said,"My Yoke is Easy and My Burden is Light."
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God is One Supernatural Entity.....One Supreme Being....God Almighty ....NOT a title of authority. And Jesus's Father, as you keep saying ,Cowboy, is the SAME ENTITY (SAME ONE SUPREME BEING )as God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit . MorningSong...I see what Cowboy is trying to do Cowboy claim that god is a title of authority, because if not, then he would be worshipping two Gods Jesus is god with the lower case "g" and the Father is the God with the capitalized "G" this way there is only one "God"... or one God with an uppercase "G" |
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ God asks that we accept His Son!!!! THEN ARE WE ABLE TO OBEY ....AFTER we have accepted His Son......THEN we are able to Obey out of LOVE for God now...AND ALSO because God LIVING IN US NOW, IS ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO IS HELPING US TO OBEY !!! POINT BEING ,IT NOT US OBEYING ON OUR OWN , BUT GOD THRU THE HOLY SPIRIT NOW INDWELLING US, WHO IS HELPING US TO OBEY !!!!! Again.... God NEVER commands us to obey Him......simply because our trying to obey God without accepting His Son FIRST, is just dead religious works to God...nothing more. As said before.....can't emphasize this enough. When you repent, you change your heart. When your heart lines up with His Will, you are no longer "obeying", you are basically doing your own will. Moreorless yes. We are to make our will one with the father's. So in doing our will in our lives, we are doing his will and keeping his commandments. |
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I said "god" is a title of authority. I did not say "God" is a title of authority. God is a name, it is in reference to a specific being/entity. It is the name we have given Jesus' father for we know not what it is. Jesus only refers to his father as "his father". god is a title of authority. so Jesus is god but not God John 10:30 30I and my Father are one. but you claim that the father and Jesus were two seperate entites ....now you're contradicting yourself with a bible passage |
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God is One Supernatural Entity.....One Supreme Being....God Almighty ....NOT a title of authority. And Jesus's Father, as you keep saying ,Cowboy, is the SAME ENTITY (SAME ONE SUPREME BEING )as God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit . MorningSong...I see what Cowboy is trying to do Cowboy claim that god is a title of authority, because if not, then he would be worshipping two Gods Jesus is god with the lower case "g" and the Father is the God with the capitalized "G" this way there is only one "God"... or one God with an uppercase "G" There is but one God, one authority. James 2:19 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Jesus and his father are one "god". They are one authority over us, but two "entities", and still one "god". Even with scriptures such as say "know ye not that ye are gods". There is but one god, one authority, one ruler, one creator. |
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ so The Ten Commandments is not God commanding people to obey him? God already KNEW man would fail miserably at keeping his commandments..that is why God sent us His Son. God just wants us to receive His Son into our hearts FIRST...so we ARE ABLE NOW to follow and obey God now...and keep His Commandments....but on GOD'S STRENGTH IN us now...HELPING us now to Obey. if God knew that man would not obey his commandments and therefore kill...that mean that he sent Jesus to be kill |
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I said "god" is a title of authority. I did not say "God" is a title of authority. God is a name, it is in reference to a specific being/entity. It is the name we have given Jesus' father for we know not what it is. Jesus only refers to his father as "his father". god is a title of authority. so Jesus is god but not God John 10:30 30I and my Father are one. but you claim that the father and Jesus were two seperate entites ....now you're contradicting yourself with a bible passage No contradiction. A family is one, but yet multiple people. Same with Jesus and his father, they are one. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 02/26/12 08:05 PM
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There are actually many authorities, and many gods. The idea of one god, was just an idea that caught on and became popular.
Everyone decided to use it. And of course everyone decided that THEIR GOD WAS THE ONLY ONE. Then the wars began. |
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ so The Ten Commandments is not God commanding people to obey him? God already KNEW man would fail miserably at keeping his commandments..that is why God sent us His Son. God just wants us to receive His Son into our hearts FIRST...so we ARE ABLE NOW to follow and obey God now...and keep His Commandments....but on GOD'S STRENGTH IN us now...HELPING us now to Obey. if God knew that man would not obey his commandments and therefore kill...that mean that he sent Jesus to be kill No, not necassarily. Regardless if Jesus was crucified or not, Jesus was sent to fulfill the old covenant and give us a new. Jesus was sent to do just that in which he accomplished. |
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There are actually many authorities, and many gods. The idea of one god, was just an idea that caught on. There are many authorities. But there is still just one authority over all. |
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God is One Supernatural Entity.....One Supreme Being....God Almighty ....NOT a title of authority. And Jesus's Father, as you keep saying ,Cowboy, is the SAME ENTITY (SAME ONE SUPREME BEING )as God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit . MorningSong...I see what Cowboy is trying to do Cowboy claim that god is a title of authority, because if not, then he would be worshipping two Gods Jesus is god with the lower case "g" and the Father is the God with the capitalized "G" this way there is only one "God"... or one God with an uppercase "G" There is but one God, one authority. James 2:19 19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. Jesus and his father are one "god". They are one authority over us, but two "entities", and still one "god". Even with scriptures such as say "know ye not that ye are gods". There is but one god, one authority, one ruler, one creator. Cowboy since Jesus did not teach his followers to read nor write is why your "G" theory doesn't work......unless you believe that his followers went around calling Jesus the "lowercase G" god" now do you see why your post and theory is delusional |
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How did Jesus fulfill the old covenant and what was the old covenant and why was he obligated to fulfill it?
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I said "god" is a title of authority. I did not say "God" is a title of authority. God is a name, it is in reference to a specific being/entity. It is the name we have given Jesus' father for we know not what it is. Jesus only refers to his father as "his father". god is a title of authority. so Jesus is god but not God John 10:30 30I and my Father are one. but you claim that the father and Jesus were two seperate entites ....now you're contradicting yourself with a bible passage No contradiction. A family is one, but yet multiple people. Same with Jesus and his father, they are one. which means that Jesus are God were two seperate entity and not one God....dude stop playing games |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 02/26/12 08:08 PM
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There are actually many authorities, and many gods. The idea of one god, was just an idea that caught on. There are many authorities. But there is still just one authority over all. And why do you think that? And how is that authority used? |
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God never COMMANDED us to Obey Him !!!.\ so The Ten Commandments is not God commanding people to obey him? God already KNEW man would fail miserably at keeping his commandments..that is why God sent us His Son. God just wants us to receive His Son into our hearts FIRST...so we ARE ABLE NOW to follow and obey God now...and keep His Commandments....but on GOD'S STRENGTH IN us now...HELPING us now to Obey. if God knew that man would not obey his commandments and therefore kill...that mean that he sent Jesus to be kill No, not necassarily. Regardless if Jesus was crucified or not, Jesus was sent to fulfill the old covenant and give us a new. Jesus was sent to do just that in which he accomplished. the fact that Jesus cried my god why hath thou forsaken me only shows that he didn't have a clue what was going on |
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How did Jesus fulfill the old covenant and what was the old covenant and why was he obligated to fulfill it? He wasn't "obligated" to do anything. Jesus has no "obligations", he does what he does out of love. I won't give all the prophecies fulfilled in the old covenant by Jesus for there are 365 of them. But here is a few. 1. Genesis 3:15.....Seed of a woman (virgin birth).....Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:18-20 2. Genesis 3:15.....He will bruise Satan's head.....Hebrews 2:14, 1 John 3:18 3. Genesis 5:24....The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated....Mark 6:19 4. Genesis 9:26-27...The God of Shem will be the Son of Shem...Luke 3:36 5. Genesis 12:3...As Abraham's seed, will bless all nations...Acts 3:25,26 6. Genesis 12:7...The The Promise made made to Abraham's Seed...Galatians 3:16 7. Genesis 14:18...A priest after Melchizedek...Hebrews 6:20 8. Genesis 14:18........A King also........Hebrews 7:2 9. Genesis 14:18...The Last Supper foreshadowed...Matthew 26:26-29 10. Genesis 17:19.......The Seed of Isaac.......Romans. 9:7 11. Genesis 21:12 …Seed of Isaac…Romans 9:7, Hebrews 11:18 12. Genesis 22:8...The Lamb of God promised...John 1:29 13. Genesis 22:18...As Isaac's seed, will bless all nations...Galatians 3:16 14. Genesis26:2-5..The Seed of Isaac promised as the Redeemer..Hebrews11:18 15. Genesis 49:10...The time of His coming...Luke 2:1-7; Galatians 4:4 16. Genesis 49:10.......The Seed of Judah.......Luke 3:33 17. Genesis 49:10......Called Shiloh or One Sent......John 17:3 18. Genesis 49:10...To come before Judah lost identity...John 11:47-52 19. Genesis 49:10...To Him shall the obedience of the people be...John 10:16 20. Exodus 3:13,14........The Great "I Am".......John 4:26 21. Exodus 12:5...A Lamb without blemish...1 Pet. 1:19 22. Exodus 12:13...The blood of the Lamb saves Romans wrath...Romans. 5:8 23. Exodus 12:21-27...Christ is our Passover...1 Corinthians 5;7 24. Exodus 12:46...Not a bone of the Lamb to be broken...John 19:31-36 25. Exodus 13:2…Blessing to first born son…Luke 2:23 26. Exodus 15:2...His exaltation predicted as Yeshua...Acts 7:55,56 27. Exodus 15:11...His Character-Holiness...Luke 1:35; Acts 4:27 28. Exodus 17:6...The Spiritual Rock of Israel...1 Corinthians 10;4 29. Exodus 33:19...His Character-Merciful...Luke 1:72 30. Leviticus14:11...The leper cleansed-Sign to priesthood..Luke5:12-14; Acts 6:7 31. Leviticus16:15-17...Prefigures Christ's once-for-all death...Hebrews 9:7-14 32. Leviticus16:27...Suffering outside the Camp...Matthew 27:33; Hebrews 13:11, 12 33. Leviticus17:11...The Blood-the life of the flesh...Matthew 26;28; Mark 10:45 34. Leviticus17:11...It is the blood that makes atonement...1 John 3:14-18 35. Leviticus23:36-37...The Drink-offering: "If any man thirst." ..John 19:31-36 36. Numbers 9:12...Not a bone of Him broken...John 19:31-36 37. Numbers 21:9...The serpent on a pole-Christ lifted up...John 3:14-18 38. Numbers 24:8… Flight to Egypt…Matthew 2:14 39. Numbers 24:17...Time: "I shall see him, but not now."...Galatians 4:4 40. Numbers 24:17-19…A star out of Jacob…Matthew 2:2, Luke 1:33,78, Revelation 22:16 41. Deuteronomy 18:15..."This is of a truth that prophet."...John 6:14 42. Deuteronomy 18:15-16..."Had ye believed Moses, ye would believe me."...John 5:45-47 43. Deuteronomy 18:18...Sent by the Father to speak His word...John 8:28, 29 44. Deuteronomy 18:19...Whoever will not hear must bear his sin...John 12:15 45. Deuteronomy 21:13-23…As a prophet…John 6:14; 7:40, Acts 3:22,23 46. Deuteronomy 21:23...Cursed is he that hangs on a tree...Galatians 3:10-13 47. Ruth 4:4-9...Christ, our kinsman, has redeemed us...Ephesians 1:3-7 48. 1 Samuel 2:10...Shall be an anointed King to the Lord...Matthew 28:18; John 12:15 49. 2 Samuel 7:12...David's Seed...Matthew 1:1 50. 2 Samuel 7:14a...The Son of God... Luke 1:32 51. 2 Samuel 7:16...David's house established forever...Luke 3:31; Rev. 22:16 52. 2 Samuel 23:2-4…would be the “Rock”…1 Corinthians 10:4 53. 2 Samuel 23:2-4…would be as the “light of the morning”…Revelation 22:16 54. 2 Kings 2:11...The bodily ascension to heaven illustrated...Luke 24:51 55. 1 Chronicles 17:11...David's Seed...Matthew 1:1; 9:27 56. 1 Chronicles 17:12, 13a...To reign on David's throne forever...Luke 1:32, 33 57. 1 Chronicles 17:13a..."I will be His Father, He...my Son."...Hebrews 1:5 58. Job 19:23-27...The Resurrection predicted...John 5:24-29 59. Psalms 2:1-3...The enmity of kings foreordained...Acts 4:25-28 60. Psalms 2:2...To own the title, Anointed (Christ)...Acts 2:36 61. Psalms 2:6...His Character-Holiness...John 8:46; Rev. 3:7 62. Psalms 2:6...To own the title King...Matthew 2:2 63. Psalms 2:7...Declared the Beloved Son...Matthew 3:17 64. Psalms 2:7, 8...The Crucifixion and Resurrection intimated...Acts 13:29-33 65. Psalms 2:12...Life comes through faith in Him...John 20:31 66. Psalms 8:2...The mouths of babes perfect His praise...Matthew 21:16 67. Psalms 8:5, 6...His humiliation and exaltation...Luke 24:50-53; 1 Corinthians 15:27 68. Psalms 16:10...Was not to see corruption...Acts 2:31 69. Psalms 16:9-11...Was to arise from the dead...John 20:9 70. Psalms 17;15...The resurrection predicted...Luke 24:6 71. Psalms 22:1...Forsaken because of sins of others...2 Corinthians 5:21 72. Psalms 22:1...Words spoken from Calvary, "My God..." Mark 15:34 73. Psalms 22:2...Darkness upon Calvary...Matthew 27:45 74. Psalms 22:7...They shoot out the lip and shake the head...Matthew 27:39 75. Psalms 22:8.." He trusted in God, let Him deliver Him "...Matthew 27:43 76. Psalms 22:9......Born the Savior......Luke 2:7 77. Psalms 22:14...Died of a broken (ruptured) heart...John 19:34 78. Psalms 22:14,15...Suffered agony on Calvary...Mark 15:34-37 79. Psalms 22:15........He thirsted........John 19:28 80. Psalms 22:16...They pierced His hands and His feet....John 19:34,37;20:27 81. Psalms 22:17,18...Stripped Him before the stares of men...Luke 23:34,35 82. Psalms 22:18.....They parted His garments.....John 19:23,24 83. Psalms 22:20,21...He committed Himself to God...Luke23:46 84. Psalms 22:20,21..Satanic power bruising the Redeemer's heel.. Hebrews 2:14 85. Psalms 22:22.....His Resurrection declared.....John 20:17 86. Psalms 22:27...He shall be the governor of the nations...Col 1:16 87. Psalms 22:31......"It is finished"......John 19:30 88. Psalms 23:1...."I am the Good Shepherd"....John 10:11 89. Psalms 24:3......His exaltation predicted......Acts 1:11; Phil. 2:9 90. Psalms 27:12…Accused by false witnesses…Matthew 26:60,61, Mark 14:57,58 91. Psalms 30:3......His resurrection predicted......Acts 2:32 92. Psalms 31:5..."Into thy hands I commit my spirit"...Luke 23:46 93. Psalms 31:11...His acquaintances fled from Him...Mark 14:50 94. Psalms 31:13...They took counsel to put Him to death...John 11:53 95. Psalms 31:14,15..." He trusted in God, let Him deliver him"...Matthew 27:43 96. Psalms 34:20.....Not a bone of Him broken.....John 19:31-36 97. Psalms 35:11....False witnesses rose up against Him....Matthew 26:59 98. Psalms 35:19...He was hated without a cause...John 15:25 99. Psalms 38:11.....His friends stood afar off.....Luke 23:49 100. Psalms 40:2-5...The joy of His resurrection predicted...John 20:20 |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 02/26/12 08:13 PM
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John 10:30 30I and my Father are one. They are ONE....Means they (including The Holy Spirit) are ONE SUPREME BEING. ONE GOD ALMIGHTY. Again... there is ONLY ONE GOD.
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