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Topic: Science and Faith Allies...not Enemies
Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 02/17/12 11:57 AM






To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it.

To know something, is it's opposite.

Doubt doesn't belong in the equation.


wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist?


..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o


Sin_and_Sorrow...you either "believe" that you exist or you "know" that you exist

using both the words believe and know to describe your existence points to delusion or lying




Not true.

When you know something, you believe it
When you believe something, you know it.

You can not know something without believing in it
You can not believe in something without knowing it.


sorry Cowboy...you already claim that you "know" that you exist....now claiming that you believe that you know that you exist would only make you sound delusional

that's why a belief in God is doubt...


Nope.

I'll say no more.

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 02/17/12 12:00 PM


You're making absolutely no sense today Funches.

Little example -

If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president.

How can one believe something but not know that same thing?
How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something?


if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence

and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did

ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist

and then tell me what he said


..God laughed and said:

"Who cares what Funches thinks. He's a tool, a troll, and a robot zombie. Just chuckle and walk away. The argument is pointless, and you are wasting time that could be spent chasing females."

..and know what?

I agree so..

Hahahahaha..

*walks away*

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Fri 02/17/12 12:01 PM



You're making absolutely no sense today Funches.

Little example -

If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president.

How can one believe something but not know that same thing?
How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something?


if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence

and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did

ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist

and then tell me what he said


He knows he exists and believes he exists. They are the same things Funches.

Or are you going to tell me you know something you do not believe?


Cowboy...are you saying that you heard God's voice and it told you that he knows that he exist?

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 02/17/12 12:08 PM




You're making absolutely no sense today Funches.

Little example -

If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president.

How can one believe something but not know that same thing?
How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something?


if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence

and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did

ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist

and then tell me what he said


He knows he exists and believes he exists. They are the same things Funches.

Or are you going to tell me you know something you do not believe?


Cowboy...are you saying that you heard God's voice and it told you that he knows that he exist?


How can someone/something not know they exist?

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Fri 02/17/12 12:31 PM





You're making absolutely no sense today Funches.

Little example -

If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president.

How can one believe something but not know that same thing?
How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something?


if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence

and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did

ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist

and then tell me what he said


He knows he exists and believes he exists. They are the same things Funches.

Or are you going to tell me you know something you do not believe?


Cowboy...are you saying that you heard God's voice and it told you that he knows that he exist?


How can someone/something not know they exist?


right...that why you don't have to "believe" that you exist...because that would imply "doubt"

but anyway enough of that...I just needed you and Sin_and_Sorrow to argue my point to "MorningSong" how Faith pertaining to God only fits into the psychology section of science

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 02/17/12 12:35 PM

right...that why you don't have to "believe" that you exist...because that would imply "doubt"

but anyway enough of that...I just needed you and Sin_and_Sorrow to argue my point to "MorningSong" how Faith pertaining to God only fits into the psychology section of science


Finally.

I can finally see where you stand and what side of the fence you are on, Funches.

Just a flat-out atheist.

Bout time you took a side.
Now we can put aside these ridiculous arguments..

Man.

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Fri 02/17/12 12:38 PM


right...that why you don't have to "believe" that you exist...because that would imply "doubt"

but anyway enough of that...I just needed you and Sin_and_Sorrow to argue my point to "MorningSong" how Faith pertaining to God only fits into the psychology section of science


Finally.

I can finally see where you stand and what side of the fence you are on, Funches.

Just a flat-out atheist.

Bout time you took a side.
Now we can put aside these ridiculous arguments..

Man.


nope...just sticking to the topic of the thread...you always argue my points for well for me...thanks

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Fri 02/17/12 12:40 PM

"Who cares what Funches thinks. He's a tool, a troll,


I'm pretty sure the Pharisees thought Jesus to be a Troll...perhaps If i keep being a troll like Jesus I can get to sit on the left hand side of God

Sin_and_Sorrow's photo
Fri 02/17/12 12:45 PM



right...that why you don't have to "believe" that you exist...because that would imply "doubt"

but anyway enough of that...I just needed you and Sin_and_Sorrow to argue my point to "MorningSong" how Faith pertaining to God only fits into the psychology section of science


Finally.

I can finally see where you stand and what side of the fence you are on, Funches.

Just a flat-out atheist.

Bout time you took a side.
Now we can put aside these ridiculous arguments..

Man.


nope...just sticking to the topic of the thread...you always argue my points for well for me...thanks


Let's see.

1. Always referring to God through 'playful' analogies; robot zombies, three-heads, etc. Proves you are not of religious values.

No religious person who ridicule God in any form.

2. IMO; always countering everything with 'science' yet never 'stating' your own belief, that pushes more towards atheist than Agnostic.

Of course, I could be wrong on the second, but definitely not the first.

3. Numerous times you have nudged towards the idea, we 'exist out of coincidence'. As far as I know, this is a straight atheist frame of mind, because agnostics believe in something, they just don't always call it 'God'.

So, through this 'logic' and 'reasoning' I've assessed you'd be more towards atheist than anything due to your own arguments and reasoning.

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 02/17/12 12:48 PM






You're making absolutely no sense today Funches.

Little example -

If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president.

How can one believe something but not know that same thing?
How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something?


if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence

and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did

ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist

and then tell me what he said


He knows he exists and believes he exists. They are the same things Funches.

Or are you going to tell me you know something you do not believe?


Cowboy...are you saying that you heard God's voice and it told you that he knows that he exist?


How can someone/something not know they exist?


right...that why you don't have to "believe" that you exist...because that would imply "doubt"

but anyway enough of that...I just needed you and Sin_and_Sorrow to argue my point to "MorningSong" how Faith pertaining to God only fits into the psychology section of science


Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.

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Fri 02/17/12 12:53 PM
Edited by funches on Fri 02/17/12 12:54 PM

Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.


the fact that Peter nor any of the apostles ever walked on water only proves they none of them ever had complete Faith in God


CowboyGH's photo
Fri 02/17/12 01:02 PM


Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.


the fact that Peter nor any of the apostles ever walked on water only proves they none of them ever had complete Faith in God




And point being?

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Fri 02/17/12 01:41 PM



Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.


the fact that Peter nor any of the apostles ever walked on water only proves they none of them ever had complete Faith in God




And point being?


that "the walking on water incident" of Peter was not about having Faith in God

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 02/17/12 02:06 PM




Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.


the fact that Peter nor any of the apostles ever walked on water only proves they none of them ever had complete Faith in God




And point being?


that "the walking on water incident" of Peter was not about having Faith in God


That is the reason he started to sink. He started to doubt God and or doubt him staying on top of the water as Jesus did.

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Fri 02/17/12 02:26 PM





Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.


the fact that Peter nor any of the apostles ever walked on water only proves they none of them ever had complete Faith in God




And point being?


that "the walking on water incident" of Peter was not about having Faith in God


That is the reason he started to sink. He started to doubt God and or doubt him staying on top of the water as Jesus did.


and again it goes back to Peter having to be a robot zombie with a mind that never have doubts or wavers in order to walk on water


AdventureBegins's photo
Fri 02/17/12 08:06 PM






Not true though.

If someone didn't believe they existed, they wouldn't know they existed. If someone believed they exist, they know they exist. And so forth.

Knowing and believing are the exact same thing.


the fact that Peter nor any of the apostles ever walked on water only proves they none of them ever had complete Faith in God




And point being?


that "the walking on water incident" of Peter was not about having Faith in God


That is the reason he started to sink. He started to doubt God and or doubt him staying on top of the water as Jesus did.


and again it goes back to Peter having to be a robot zombie with a mind that never have doubts or wavers in order to walk on water



Peter was not a zombie.

When you put a rock in water it sinks.

Peter needed a lesson so Allah gave him a 'gibbs' slap.

Peter beleived that Jesus was God.

When he found himself in the Water he looked again to Jesus and realised that only His Faith would keep him dry.

When he did as Jesus did and placed his faith in the Father.

Allah simply reminded him that Jesus was his guide.

By baptising him for his lack of focus.

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Fri 02/17/12 09:58 PM

When a person has not faith.

Reality still exists.

God still puts rocks in the path...

so faith may grow.

One can not exercise faith full strength.

Unless you stand.

and Do.




Reality exists because you have faith that it does.
So much faith, in fact, that you stated it as a fact.

It is not God who puts rocks in the path.

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Fri 02/17/12 10:16 PM
..seriously.

Just reading the last like four posts..
..my brain exploded.

All this prophetic mumbo jumbo..

GAH!

x.x

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Sat 02/18/12 05:15 AM

[Peter was not a zombie.

When you put a rock in water it sinks.

Peter needed a lesson so Allah gave him a 'gibbs' slap.

Peter beleived that Jesus was God.

When he found himself in the Water he looked again to Jesus and realised that only His Faith would keep him dry.

When he did as Jesus did and placed his faith in the Father.

Allah simply reminded him that Jesus was his guide.

By baptising him for his lack of focus.


and this is why religious Faith has nothing to do with science and why there are no such things as Miracles or "Free Will"......because everything is done by intervention from a God

Peter could only walk on the water if he didn't have doubts about God so in turn God would not allow him to walk on water...

which is why for Peter to be able to walk on water would require Peter to have the mind of a Stepford wife or a robot zombie..or what is known as "Blind Faith"






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Sat 02/18/12 06:13 PM
tongue2

..seriously.

Just reading the last like four posts..
..my brain exploded.

All this prophetic mumbo jumbo..

GAH!

x.x


tongue2 laugh laugh laugh

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