Faith and belief are not the same....

Will explain later ...have to run...

No, not exactly the same of course but they go hand in hand.

I believe so I have faith.

It is quite probable that primates are descended from non-viable human drop off.

i.e. entropy made them diferent, evolution brought their descendants to the point we call primate.

Peter had faith in Jesus in the first case and so fell.

Jesus however had faith in the father and so did not.

It is but a lesson.

A Gem of Brilliance

Written in the Rock of Christ.

Jesus and the Father are one
Therefore Jesus had faith in himself
So it follows that if Peter had faith in himself he would have walked on the water.

Peter DID walk on water !!!


UNTIL he took his eyes OFF JESUS,that is ,and then began to

sink!!

And btw....there is much that could be learned on just this

one subject alone......

My problem lies not in the fact that there is possibly a God, my problem lies in what we believe God to be.

You take the word of God like a passage of love..
..when I believe, if such were true, it's more like a warning.

A threat to end existence as we know it.

Or i.e.; the reverse growth of the universe; like instead of everything drifting away from the sun, everything is actually moving closer to it.

Ending in the 'big bang' once again.

Basically, I don't think it prove enough to be 'cocky' about it proving the existence of God or the overall validity of the Bible.

I could make my own sets of prophecies, and they may or may not come true. I could make my own hypothesis about the creation of this or that, and it could ultimately turn out to be right on.

Would that make me 'God'? No.

Simply because I used reasoning not common in a certain age of time; i.e., BC early AD, doesn't prove there is a God.

That's my opinion.

God is Love.....

but when we Consider the many many different attributes of God ,

it tells us so much more of Who God is.....

Yet they were not one in the Time of Christ.

The accension is greater than the death upon the earth of the shell of Jesus.

for the shell of Jesus hearled but the Advent of the Messiah.

Christ is with God and now they are indeed one.

History tells us this.

By the Rock of Christ.

Evey thing you need to know is in the book.

the key is Faith in God.

but the lock is science of man.

..love is not genocide.

Anyway you toss it.

aye...

Layers upon layers of quantum links.

With meanings that exceed our span.

and cross points that touch others.

a belief is simply a thought that someone choose to believe may be True, to believe that the thought is true with no evidence that it is true is what believers claim constitute as being Faith....

so how does this cause Jesus to walk on water

if Jesus could walk on water without any aid from God but by Faith along.....then God can be taken out of the Faith equation and for the sake of argument let's also take jesus out of the equation

now by taking God and Jesus out of the equation ...what would cause Peter to be able to walk on water if he only had Faith

in the realm of religion...it would now constitute as being Witchcraft if Peter could walk on water without intervention by a God

since the thread is about how Faith is associated with science then let's take religion out of the equation .....

so now what would Faith be ...how can Peter if he had Faith walk on Water if it was all about science

This is exactly true. Now take all of your prophecy and couch it in metaphors that can be understood by anyone, and you will have a scripture that millions can interpret to support there own personal values and you will have a popular religion.

The connecting fabric of the Universe. The Breath of God is the holy spirit.

Faith is the tool.

as it is not in the image of any one thing upon the earth.

It is a tool of God.

Yet we may use it.

Faith is the natural creative power of mind. With faith, and belief in the dream, the dream becomes reality.

If reality is a dream, faith makes it real.

When a person has not faith.

Reality still exists.

God still puts rocks in the path...

so faith may grow.

One can not exercise faith full strength.

Unless you stand.

and Do.

Faith is hope, it is desire, it is what you want to be. It is what you dearly believe to be true. You have faith it will rain tomorrow, you have hope it will, you have desire it will.

That is why I do believe God puts so much on faith. It shows what you truly desire inside.

And faith plays a large part in Science. What do you think a theory is? It's not totally faith, not saying it is the exact same thing. But something would not be made a theory if the faith of it progressing to a fact wasn't there. A theory is something someone has great faith that it is true, enough faith to investigate and search for the truth.

Know what I've noticed?

Science - These type of people, like Jeannie and Bushido, speak in big words and uses phrases not entirely common. They speak in a non-deflective and rather clear, as they can be, way. Open-minded and skeptical about certain issues.

Faith - These type of people, like Morning, Cowboy, and Adventure; speak almost in riddles; as if they were all prophets speaking the same language as what the bible itself was written in.

Using this categorization method; I've assimilated that:

Speaking in riddles makes you sound crazy and the idea of God becomes far less appealing.

Speaking in large terms gives you a headache in trying to conjure up what the other person is trying to say even though they are trying to make it simplistic in both texture and content.

Translation:

God, religion, faith - they all make you have the appeal of someone high on marijuana.

Science and skepticism - they all make you have the appeal of someone far too complex and has their windows boarded up and a bomb shelter hidden and attached beneath their house.

Just saying....

AdventureBegins...are you saying that faith is like the "Force" on Star Wars..a power that can be tapped into ...and that God is an Unconscious God of Anarchy therefore lacking the ability to judging not the difference of good or evil as to who can tap into this force