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Topic: Science and Faith Allies...not Enemies
Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:59 AM
How would "believing" I exist mean that I doubt that I exist? I've asked you to chose the word that describe your existence...either "believe" or "know"...you choose "know" now explain why you didn't choose "believe" To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:04 AM
No, you're not listening. Peter allowed Petaer to almost drown. no it's you that are not conceiving the concept you keep claiming that GOd didn't not cause peter to sink I keep asking you to explain step by step how Faith would cause Peter to walk on water for instance if Peter had Faith....then would Casper the ghost float down and carry him across the water...do little faires sprinkle fairy dust on him and he magically begins to float across the water if not.....then explain how Faith would cause Peter to walk on Water Because if he would have kept entire faith in God that he would walk on the water, he would have. God would not allow his faith to be in vein. He would have rewarded his faith through allowing him to walk on the water. But as soon as he lost that faith, he lost God's help. so if Peter was a robot zombie unable to think about anything else but God...then he could have 100 percent faith and concentration and walk on water?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:05 AM
How would "believing" I exist mean that I doubt that I exist? I've asked you to chose the word that describe your existence...either "believe" or "know"...you choose "know" now explain why you didn't choose "believe" To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:07 AM
No, you're not listening. Peter allowed Petaer to almost drown. no it's you that are not conceiving the concept you keep claiming that GOd didn't not cause peter to sink I keep asking you to explain step by step how Faith would cause Peter to walk on water for instance if Peter had Faith....then would Casper the ghost float down and carry him across the water...do little faires sprinkle fairy dust on him and he magically begins to float across the water if not.....then explain how Faith would cause Peter to walk on Water Because if he would have kept entire faith in God that he would walk on the water, he would have. God would not allow his faith to be in vein. He would have rewarded his faith through allowing him to walk on the water. But as soon as he lost that faith, he lost God's help. so if Peter was a robot zombie unable to think about anything else but God...then he could have 100 percent faith and concentration and walk on water? Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:17 AM
Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot? Cowboy it was you that claim that if Peter kept his entire Faith in God that he could walk on troubled Waters ....only a robot Zombie with total fixation could accomplish this feat unless you can give another explantion how it can be done

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 11:22 AM
To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist? ..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 11:23 AM
Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot? Cowboy it was you that claim that if Peter kept his entire Faith in God that he could walk on troubled Waters ....only a robot Zombie with total fixation could accomplish this feat unless you can give another explantion how it can be done ..and this is where you become a tool. Meh. I'm done with this..

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:23 AM
Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot? Cowboy it was you that claim that if Peter kept his entire Faith in God that he could walk on troubled Waters ....only a robot Zombie with total fixation could accomplish this feat unless you can give another explantion how it can be done So I ask you, do you not have total and complete faith that your relationship with whomever you're with will last? If not, why not? Why doubt anything you place your faith in? Why have the faith in the first place if you're going to doubt it? And how do you know only a robot zombie could accomplish this? Why doubt something you believe? How can you say you believe something but yet doubt it atleast to a certain degree, because if you doubt it you are lying by saying you believe in it. Doubt is the lacking of faith and or belief.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:27 AM
To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist? ..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o Sin_and_Sorrow...you either "believe" that you exist or you "know" that you exist using both the words believe and know to describe your existence points to delusion or lying

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:30 AM
Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot? Cowboy it was you that claim that if Peter kept his entire Faith in God that he could walk on troubled Waters ....only a robot Zombie with total fixation could accomplish this feat unless you can give another explantion how it can be done So I ask you, do you not have total and complete faith that your relationship with whomever you're with will last? If not, why not? Why doubt anything you place your faith in? Why have the faith in the first place if you're going to doubt it? And how do you know only a robot zombie could accomplish this? Why doubt something you believe? How can you say you believe something but yet doubt it atleast to a certain degree, because if you doubt it you are lying by saying you believe in it. Doubt is the lacking of faith and or belief. if you can not explain how Peter can walk on water other than having the mental fixation capacity of a Robot Zombie....then that only shows how in religion only a robot zombie would have faith enough to walk on water

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:33 AM
To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist? ..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o Sin_and_Sorrow...you either "believe" that you exist or you "know" that you exist using both the words believe and know to describe your existence points to delusion or lying Not true. When you know something, you believe it When you believe something, you know it. You can not know something without believing in it You can not believe in something without knowing it.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:35 AM
Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot? Cowboy it was you that claim that if Peter kept his entire Faith in God that he could walk on troubled Waters ....only a robot Zombie with total fixation could accomplish this feat unless you can give another explantion how it can be done So I ask you, do you not have total and complete faith that your relationship with whomever you're with will last? If not, why not? Why doubt anything you place your faith in? Why have the faith in the first place if you're going to doubt it? And how do you know only a robot zombie could accomplish this? Why doubt something you believe? How can you say you believe something but yet doubt it atleast to a certain degree, because if you doubt it you are lying by saying you believe in it. Doubt is the lacking of faith and or belief. if you can not explain how Peter can walk on water other than having the mental fixation capacity of a Robot Zombie....then that only shows how in religion only a robot zombie would have faith enough to walk on water Total faith in God that he would keep him above the water. Nothing more, nothing less and he would have walked on the water. He started to drop when he started to doubt.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:41 AM
To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist? ..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o Sin_and_Sorrow...you either "believe" that you exist or you "know" that you exist using both the words believe and know to describe your existence points to delusion or lying Not true. When you know something, you believe it When you believe something, you know it. You can not know something without believing in it You can not believe in something without knowing it. sorry Cowboy...you already claim that you "know" that you exist....now claiming that you believe that you know that you exist would only make you sound delusional that's why a belief in God is doubt...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:44 AM
To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist? ..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o Sin_and_Sorrow...you either "believe" that you exist or you "know" that you exist using both the words believe and know to describe your existence points to delusion or lying Not true. When you know something, you believe it When you believe something, you know it. You can not know something without believing in it You can not believe in something without knowing it. sorry Cowboy...you already claim that you "know" that you exist....now claiming that you believe that you know that you exist would only make you sound delusional that's why a belief in God is doubt... You're making absolutely no sense today Funches. Little example - If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president. How can one believe something but not know that same thing? How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:45 AM
Total faith in God that he would keep him above the water. Nothing more, nothing less and he would have walked on the water. He started to drop when he started to doubt. total faith in God would make Peter a robot zombie ..that is why only Jesus could walk on water would Satan need total faith in God to walk on water you trying to make faith all about God is placing Faith into the realm of being blind and mindless

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:48 AM
Total faith in God that he would keep him above the water. Nothing more, nothing less and he would have walked on the water. He started to drop when he started to doubt. total faith in God would make Peter a robot zombie ..that is why only Jesus could walk on water would Satan need total faith in God to walk on water you trying to make faith all about God is placing Faith into the realm of being blind and mindless Satan does have total faith in God. Satan know's God first hand, face to face. And please explain how it would make Peter a robot zombie. Why only put part of your faith in something as being true? Why not have entire faith in something? Why doubt? To doubt is to not know.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 11:52 AM
You're making absolutely no sense today Funches. Little example - If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president. How can one believe something but not know that same thing? How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something? if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist and then tell me what he said

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 11:54 AM
To believe in something means you 'know' it to be true, but cannot prove it. To know something, is it's opposite. Doubt doesn't belong in the equation. wow Sin_and_Sorrow... you only "believe" that you exist? ..where in the unholy h*** did you pull that out from? o.o Sin_and_Sorrow...you either "believe" that you exist or you "know" that you exist using both the words believe and know to describe your existence points to delusion or lying Wherever you pulled that lack of logic out from. "Know" you exist - you can prove it. "Believe" you exist - you cannot prove it. Not delusion, not lying.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 11:54 AM
You're making absolutely no sense today Funches. Little example - If one know's Abraham was a president, they believe he was a president. If one believes he was a president, they know he was a president. How can one believe something but not know that same thing? How can one claim to know something, but not believe that something? if President Abraham lincoln was here I would probably as him the same question as to his existence and if he is not delusional ...then he would give the same answer that you did ok Cowboy.....now do me a favor...ask God do he "believe" that he exist or if he "know" that he exist and then tell me what he said He knows he exists and believes he exists. They are the same things Funches. Or are you going to tell me you know something you do not believe?

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 11:56 AM
Why would he have to a robot? Can you not have complete faith in someone/something and not be a robot? Does one not have complete faith in say a relationship lasting? If one does not have complete faith in the relationship lasting, why then are they embarking on the relationship? Why can't someone have complete faith in something and still not be a robot? Cowboy it was you that claim that if Peter kept his entire Faith in God that he could walk on troubled Waters ....only a robot Zombie with total fixation could accomplish this feat unless you can give another explantion how it can be done So I ask you, do you not have total and complete faith that your relationship with whomever you're with will last? If not, why not? Why doubt anything you place your faith in? Why have the faith in the first place if you're going to doubt it? And how do you know only a robot zombie could accomplish this? Why doubt something you believe? How can you say you believe something but yet doubt it atleast to a certain degree, because if you doubt it you are lying by saying you believe in it. Doubt is the lacking of faith and or belief. if you can not explain how Peter can walk on water other than having the mental fixation capacity of a Robot Zombie....then that only shows how in religion only a robot zombie would have faith enough to walk on water "Robot" made of metal, cannot think for self. Would not know to "believe" or have "faith" in anything. Peter was not such. "Zombie" mindless 'shell' that exists on one basic function; hunger. Even a robot itself could not be a zombie. A robot is man made. A zombie was once a man.