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Topic: Science and Faith Allies...not Enemies
Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:14 AM
Science has answered way more questions then the bible ever will. How rainbows appear. How rain is made. How lightning strikes. How photosynthesis works. How atoms,molecules,chromosomes,cells,amino acids work. The bible just simply states "god did it" lol.. I wish they had a 'like' feature on here.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:15 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No. God had no part in it. Peter almost drowned himself.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:16 AM
If that is what you put your faith in, then yes. Other then that, how does that constitute as witchcraft? When Peter couldn't walk on water ...was it because God wouldn't allow him to walk on water or was it because he lacked Faith Peter didn't LACK faith. His faith was altered by the power of the wind. This caused him to sink. ..just saying. so everytime someone gets trapped in a strong wind their Faith gets altered? perhaps it's best that those with Faith not live in Chicago The Windy City ..only if they are trying to walk on water in Chicago. That would be advisable. Again. Taking some words, ignoring others. so the faithful should never try to do any dangerous stunts when a strong wind blows because it can alter their faith

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 10:18 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No, it was Peter that almost allowed him to drown. If he would have kept the faith in God and the faith that God would keep him from sinking, he would not have sunk. Jesus had complete faith in his father thus he walked on the father Peter had somewhat faith in the father thus he walked for a time being on the water. If he would have kept the absolute faith in God he would not have sunk. Thus he brought it upon him himself, had nothing to do with God allowing him to sink. He let go of God, thus he sunk.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:18 AM
If that is what you put your faith in, then yes. Other then that, how does that constitute as witchcraft? When Peter couldn't walk on water ...was it because God wouldn't allow him to walk on water or was it because he lacked Faith He lacked the faith. Notice Peter feared, then started to sink. If Peter would have had complete faith, he would not have feared, therefore he would not have sunk. His faith in God showed when he started to sink or should I say the lack of his father showed. Matthew 14 29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? so it was God that wouldn't allow Peter to walk on Water and allowed Peter to sink underwater and risk drowning just like he did those in the great flood ..no. It was his own doubt. "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 ..no wonder your Bible isn't catching on. ..that's not even remotely true. you can train a parrot to sqwauk that something is not true...but you can't train the parrot to come up with an logical explanation on it's own why it isn't true

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 10:18 AM
If that is what you put your faith in, then yes. Other then that, how does that constitute as witchcraft? When Peter couldn't walk on water ...was it because God wouldn't allow him to walk on water or was it because he lacked Faith Peter didn't LACK faith. His faith was altered by the power of the wind. This caused him to sink. ..just saying. so everytime someone gets trapped in a strong wind their Faith gets altered? perhaps it's best that those with Faith not live in Chicago The Windy City ..only if they are trying to walk on water in Chicago. That would be advisable. Again. Taking some words, ignoring others. so the faithful should never try to do any dangerous stunts when a strong wind blows because it can alter their faith If someone has absolute and compolete faith in God, their faith will never "alter".

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:21 AM
so the faithful should never try to do any dangerous stunts when a strong wind blows because it can alter their faith No. The faithful should not try such IF THEY DO NOT hold 100% faith in their hearts. Period. C'mon man, you're smarter than this. This is easy stuff.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:22 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No. God had no part in it. Peter almost drowned himself. ok if Faith has nothing to do with God.... then explain how faith can make Peter walk on water please can you give a step by step thank you very much

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:23 AM
If that is what you put your faith in, then yes. Other then that, how does that constitute as witchcraft? When Peter couldn't walk on water ...was it because God wouldn't allow him to walk on water or was it because he lacked Faith He lacked the faith. Notice Peter feared, then started to sink. If Peter would have had complete faith, he would not have feared, therefore he would not have sunk. His faith in God showed when he started to sink or should I say the lack of his father showed. Matthew 14 29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? so it was God that wouldn't allow Peter to walk on Water and allowed Peter to sink underwater and risk drowning just like he did those in the great flood ..no. It was his own doubt. "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 ..no wonder your Bible isn't catching on. ..that's not even remotely true. you can train a parrot to sqwauk that something is not true...but you can't train the parrot to come up with an logical explanation on it's own why it isn't true ..how do you know? Maybe he can. It's probably outside our ability to actually teach the parrot to speak on his own logic; because he speaks only what words he is taught to say. So to state, 'he cannot', can't truly be proven one way or the other without the ability to use telepathy and see what this parrot is truly thinking nor what he defines as 'logic'.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:24 AM
so the faithful should never try to do any dangerous stunts when a strong wind blows because it can alter their faith No. The faithful should not try such IF THEY DO NOT hold 100% faith in their hearts. Period. C'mon man, you're smarter than this. This is easy stuff. so any Christian that have any type of insurance... lacks Faith?

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 10:24 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No. God had no part in it. Peter almost drowned himself. ok if Faith has nothing to do with God.... then explain how faith can make Peter walk on water please can you give a step by step thank you very much Who said faith had nothing to do with God?

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:25 AM
If that is what you put your faith in, then yes. Other then that, how does that constitute as witchcraft? When Peter couldn't walk on water ...was it because God wouldn't allow him to walk on water or was it because he lacked Faith He lacked the faith. Notice Peter feared, then started to sink. If Peter would have had complete faith, he would not have feared, therefore he would not have sunk. His faith in God showed when he started to sink or should I say the lack of his father showed. Matthew 14 29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? so it was God that wouldn't allow Peter to walk on Water and allowed Peter to sink underwater and risk drowning just like he did those in the great flood ..no. It was his own doubt. "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 ..no wonder your Bible isn't catching on. ..that's not even remotely true. you can train a parrot to sqwauk that something is not true...but you can't train the parrot to come up with an logical explanation on it's own why it isn't true ..how do you know? Maybe he can. It's probably outside our ability to actually teach the parrot to speak on his own logic; because he speaks only what words he is taught to say. So to state, 'he cannot', can't truly be proven one way or the other without the ability to use telepathy and see what this parrot is truly thinking nor what he defines as 'logic'. well unless you can explain why "to believe is not to doubt" ...then you're no difference than the parrot

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 10:25 AM
so the faithful should never try to do any dangerous stunts when a strong wind blows because it can alter their faith No. The faithful should not try such IF THEY DO NOT hold 100% faith in their hearts. Period. C'mon man, you're smarter than this. This is easy stuff. so any Christian that have any type of insurance... lacks Faith? No, automobile insurance in general is the law. It is a sin to break man's law. Life insurance is for the remaining family, to help them in their loss of the person. Things you say Funches make no sense sometimes.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:26 AM
ok if Faith has nothing to do with God.... then explain how faith can make Peter walk on water please can you give a step by step thank you very much I didn't say it had nothing to do with God. Faith IN God. Gave him the ability. Once his faith altered, through his own doubt. He sank. God played no part in his swaying of Faith. God remained the same. Peter 'walked on water' because he held 150% faith before he began to walk on that water. The strong wind blew, he became scared. His faith became altered through that fear. Slowly, he began to sink. Holding absolutely unbridled faith in him. Gives you that power. There are none are Earth who hold this level of Faith. If they did.. they could, according to the Bible sense on it. 'Walk on water'.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 10:27 AM
If that is what you put your faith in, then yes. Other then that, how does that constitute as witchcraft? When Peter couldn't walk on water ...was it because God wouldn't allow him to walk on water or was it because he lacked Faith He lacked the faith. Notice Peter feared, then started to sink. If Peter would have had complete faith, he would not have feared, therefore he would not have sunk. His faith in God showed when he started to sink or should I say the lack of his father showed. Matthew 14 29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. 30But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me. 31And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt? so it was God that wouldn't allow Peter to walk on Water and allowed Peter to sink underwater and risk drowning just like he did those in the great flood ..no. It was his own doubt. "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 ..no wonder your Bible isn't catching on. ..that's not even remotely true. you can train a parrot to sqwauk that something is not true...but you can't train the parrot to come up with an logical explanation on it's own why it isn't true ..how do you know? Maybe he can. It's probably outside our ability to actually teach the parrot to speak on his own logic; because he speaks only what words he is taught to say. So to state, 'he cannot', can't truly be proven one way or the other without the ability to use telepathy and see what this parrot is truly thinking nor what he defines as 'logic'. well unless you can explain why "to believe is not to doubt" ...then you're no difference than the parrot Because when you believe in something you don't doubt it. You doubt the things you don't believe in. Get a dictionary, will help you understand the meaning of words.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:27 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No. God had no part in it. Peter almost drowned himself. ok if Faith has nothing to do with God.... then explain how faith can make Peter walk on water please can you give a step by step thank you very much Who said faith had nothing to do with God? your partner in Crime "Sin_and_ Sorrow" stated that .... you are also leaning towards saying it but your religion taboo you from doing so

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:28 AM
Let me show you something Mister 3:16. "to believe is to doubt" ...funches 3:16 well unless you can explain why "to believe is not to doubt" ...then you're no difference than the parrot ..which is it? Hm. The second one is true. Yet, you weren't saying that originally.

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/17/12 10:29 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No. God had no part in it. Peter almost drowned himself. ok if Faith has nothing to do with God.... then explain how faith can make Peter walk on water please can you give a step by step thank you very much Who said faith had nothing to do with God? your partner in Crime "Sin_and_ Sorrow" stated that .... you are also leaning towards saying it but your religion taboo you from doing so "Faith" in general as in the general meaning of the word has nothing to do with God. It is the faith IN God that matters. Faith alone can not save a man from death, takes both actions and faith. First you have the faith, then the actions follow. You can see one's faith in the actions they do or don't do.

Sin_and_Sorrow Joined Sun 01/01/12 Posts: 5757	Fri 02/17/12 10:29 AM
Exactly, it was his lack of faith in God. so it was God that allowed Peter to almost drown the same as those in the great flood? No. God had no part in it. Peter almost drowned himself. ok if Faith has nothing to do with God.... then explain how faith can make Peter walk on water please can you give a step by step thank you very much Who said faith had nothing to do with God? your partner in Crime "Sin_and_ Sorrow" stated that .... you are also leaning towards saying it but your religion taboo you from doing so No I didn't.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/17/12 10:30 AM
I didn't say it had nothing to do with God. POSTED BY Sin_and_Sorrow: No. God had no part in it. come on Sin_and_Sorrow .....it's no fun debating with someone that is not willing to stick by what they posted