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Topic: Science and Faith Allies...not Enemies
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Fri 02/24/12 01:41 PM



Do you know what intelectual honesty is?

In NO WAY! do I agree with you, PERIOD!!!


Try applying the scientific principal for once. Read it yourself, do the math, take notes. And stop assuming that everyone takes it litteraly just because your stance relies on that.
So what are you claiming?

Are you claiming that the Bible has scientific knowledge within it? That it can inform us historically?
Are you saying that your Hebrew source of interpretation is better than any other and has some established foundation that cannot be found in earlier texts with essentially the same stories?

You can just keep going back further and further to prior tellers of these stories and keep finding differing takes on a ancient society with little in the way of scientific knowledge.
You do not agree with this? Even tho we have examples to show this is accurate? Even tho the loose metaphorical nature of the bible makes it no more a historical or scientific work than Dr Sues?

Just wondering what you think Peter . . .



LOL!


OK, what I think....


I think you will continue to deflect from the issue at hand.


"That, and if you actually study the Hebrew words used for our English translation, you may find that the "great flood" never specifies an entire, global flood."


Deal with that 1st, then we'll see if you can be intelectually honest...


..so, basically..

Most-to-all the Christians we know are complete and total ******** morons, because none of them read/pursue the Hebrew heritage of the Bible; therefore, making them totally delusional, moronic, and gullible.

Least, that's what I'm getting from the fact you keep putting this statement out there..

..as if it held any value considering we speak of the general census.

Interesting.

*continues on his journey through the threads*



While I would never have been so blunt or callous, I won't refute your statements...

I think that these few passages may shed some light on why I think this way: (NIV for your viewing pleasure...)


Matthew 24:10-11
New International Version (NIV)

10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.



Titus 1:10-11
New International Version (NIV)

10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.



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Fri 02/24/12 01:44 PM


Ok thats an interesting type.....so then i'll give a little and assume the floods happened in the middle east and thats it,still theres the question,why did God inform these people of his existence but not everyone else,including the tribes in the western hemisphere?It's obvious what my answer would be.Also he punished these people cause they disobeyed him,yet overseas they didn't even know he existed.Then he didn't let freewill happen when he flooded the middle east but he let the western hemisphere have freewill and worship false Gods before him?As i have stated it's all FUBAR.


Pre-Jesus days; and it seemed God's main focus revolved around 'his people'. It seemed that God paid little mind to the other civilizations who feared more in boogeymen than actual Gods and thus, he didn't deem there worship 'blasphemous' but more 'misguided'.

However, at the same time, those 'western cultures' were very dense and superstitious so who are we, 30 some thousand years later, to say that the 'God' they worshiped wasn't the same and like most religions, just referred to him by a different name? Different principles, same overall concept?

One reason that this could, possibly, be viable lies in language. God spoke the language of the East, not the West; therefore, even if he did speak to them, they'd be next to oblivious as to what he said outside of his 'magic acts'.

As far as I know, also, those westerners, although not affected by plagues, floods, and other ideals of voodoo, did suffer their own sorts of 'unknown' tragedies.

One other interesting idea you could take in to consideration is.

Indians didn't seem to suffer much from 'diseases' until the white man showed up; aka, the 'sinners' as proclaimed by 'Jesus' because they were 'tainted' etc.

..maybe, to justify the 'inactivity' or lack of influence on these people was simply put.. they had it right?

Or, putting it more simply:

Easterners - descendants of Cain
Westerners - descendants of Abel

See what I'm saying?

..then again, I just invented a whole clause of possibilities and I've no clue if any are truly valid; but ultimately they are still 'possibilities' IF the bible holds any true validity.
riiiiiight?So he creates people just some are considered his people....i'm trying to keep from laughing it ain't working.

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Fri 02/24/12 02:13 PM



Ok thats an interesting type.....so then i'll give a little and assume the floods happened in the middle east and thats it,still theres the question,why did God inform these people of his existence but not everyone else,including the tribes in the western hemisphere?It's obvious what my answer would be.Also he punished these people cause they disobeyed him,yet overseas they didn't even know he existed.Then he didn't let freewill happen when he flooded the middle east but he let the western hemisphere have freewill and worship false Gods before him?As i have stated it's all FUBAR.


Pre-Jesus days; and it seemed God's main focus revolved around 'his people'. It seemed that God paid little mind to the other civilizations who feared more in boogeymen than actual Gods and thus, he didn't deem there worship 'blasphemous' but more 'misguided'.

However, at the same time, those 'western cultures' were very dense and superstitious so who are we, 30 some thousand years later, to say that the 'God' they worshiped wasn't the same and like most religions, just referred to him by a different name? Different principles, same overall concept?

One reason that this could, possibly, be viable lies in language. God spoke the language of the East, not the West; therefore, even if he did speak to them, they'd be next to oblivious as to what he said outside of his 'magic acts'.

As far as I know, also, those westerners, although not affected by plagues, floods, and other ideals of voodoo, did suffer their own sorts of 'unknown' tragedies.

One other interesting idea you could take in to consideration is.

Indians didn't seem to suffer much from 'diseases' until the white man showed up; aka, the 'sinners' as proclaimed by 'Jesus' because they were 'tainted' etc.

..maybe, to justify the 'inactivity' or lack of influence on these people was simply put.. they had it right?

Or, putting it more simply:

Easterners - descendants of Cain
Westerners - descendants of Abel

See what I'm saying?

..then again, I just invented a whole clause of possibilities and I've no clue if any are truly valid; but ultimately they are still 'possibilities' IF the bible holds any true validity.
riiiiiight?So he creates people just some are considered his people....i'm trying to keep from laughing it ain't working.


Hey, I know, lol.

But, even if the Bible..

..what happened to the Egyptians?
He killed the first born sons, the plagues, etc.

Shows the validity of the idea that they were: "his people".

He created, by the way, only two people.

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Fri 02/24/12 02:15 PM

While I would never have been so blunt or callous, I won't refute your statements...

I think that these few passages may shed some light on why I think this way: (NIV for your viewing pleasure...)


Matthew 24:10-11
New International Version (NIV)

10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.



Titus 1:10-11
New International Version (NIV)

10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.


..hey, I'm not criticizing.

I'm just pointing out..
..that it totally explains why I have, at times, trouble figuring out where you are actually coming from.

..and I figured instead of using theatrics, I'd just be blunt, lol.

Either way, now it makes sense.

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Fri 02/24/12 02:20 PM


While I would never have been so blunt or callous, I won't refute your statements...

I think that these few passages may shed some light on why I think this way: (NIV for your viewing pleasure...)


Matthew 24:10-11
New International Version (NIV)

10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,
11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.



Titus 1:10-11
New International Version (NIV)

10 For there are many rebellious people, full of meaningless talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision group.
11 They must be silenced, because they are disrupting whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach—and that for the sake of dishonest gain.


..hey, I'm not criticizing.

I'm just pointing out..
..that it totally explains why I have, at times, trouble figuring out where you are actually coming from.

..and I figured instead of using theatrics, I'd just be blunt, lol.

Either way, now it makes sense.




Where I am coming from is quite simple.

I don't want you to believe me, I want you to do the research yourself. It's much more convincing when someone "discovers" these things on their own... Need a hint? Ask...


I must commend you too. You are the ONLY Bible detractor who has ever shown any evidence of understanding and a willingness to "debate" with me. I am sooo used to the standard evilbible.com rants and the "no need to show proof" response.






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Fri 02/24/12 02:23 PM
Ooh sounds like the start of a bromance! LOL

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Fri 02/24/12 02:36 PM

Where I am coming from is quite simple.

I don't want you to believe me, I want you to do the research yourself. It's much more convincing when someone "discovers" these things on their own... Need a hint? Ask...


I must commend you too. You are the ONLY Bible detractor who has ever shown any evidence of understanding and a willingness to "debate" with me. I am sooo used to the standard evilbible.com rants and the "no need to show proof" response.


..Live by the motto of Assassin Creed, I do.

"..Nothing is real, everything is permitted.."

..and TBRich. :angry:

Not funny. tongue2
Of course, your jealousy..
It is kinda cute. :angel:

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Fri 02/24/12 02:49 PM
LOL, a little nonsense now and then is cherished by the wisest of men!

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Fri 02/24/12 06:02 PM

LOL, a little nonsense now and then is cherished by the wisest of men!


Totally agree. :P

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Fri 02/24/12 06:07 PM
Yup, I smell a bromance!


lol




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Fri 02/24/12 06:10 PM

Yup, I smell a bromance!


lol






..Oh wth..

..you too?

Fine. I'll just be all rant like everyone else.

Hmph! :angry:

smokin

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Mon 02/27/12 07:33 AM
I thought that this article was cogent to this discussion of science and god.

http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/richard-dawkins-agnostic/#more-4203

It discusses the ways in which science can or cannot test and therefor say something about the various different gods one might believe in.

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Mon 02/27/12 08:57 PM
Billy......flowerforyou

try downloading the website again....I clicked on the link

you provided,

but all I got was, "page cannot be found"...


:heart::heart::heart:

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Tue 02/28/12 10:20 AM
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/richard-dawkins-agnostic/

Sorry this should work.

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