according to the bible God created man because there were no man to tend the Garden ...

you will find no other logical reason in the bible why God created man beyond being a Gardener

there is no indication in the bible that God intend for man to learn or intended for woman to be anything more than subservient barefoot and pregnant ...

only due to the serpent inducing Eve and then Adam into gaining knowledge was Man able to expand his mind beyond the garden

Atheism only exist because God can't be proved to exist

prove that God exist and Atheism would fall

Please inform us all of this, give the verse(s) that state that was the purpose of man.

the fact that you didn't provide any passage that states that God create man for anything else but to work in the garden is an indication that you know the statement is true

..that's my point Funches.

If they never got booted from the Garden, we would have all been born IN the Garden. God's voice, we'd all here, as we'd all 'feel' his presence.

Thus why I said, atheism wouldn't exist in that world.

Please inform us all of this, give the verse(s) that state that was the purpose of man.


For the simple sake of ending this portion of the debate:

Funches speaks of:

Genesis 2:15

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it."

Clearly states that Adam's sole original purpose was to tend the garden and maintain it.

Later, he thought it not fair all his creations had a mate, outside Adam, and thus, decided to create Eve for him.

the existence of the garden does not prove the existence of God beyond the existence of the bible

I'm not saying that either..

Where are you getting this? o.O

I'm saying IF A didn't happen B would be truth and then C couldn't exist because D has undeniable proof.

A - Eating of the tree, Banishment from the Garden
B - The situation of all humans living in the garden
C - Atheism
D - God' existence

However, none of it is 'actual' truth; but more of a how it would be scenario.

For the simple sake of ending this portion of the debate:

Funches speaks of:

Genesis 2:15

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it."

Clearly states that Adam's sole original purpose was to tend the garden and maintain it.

Later, he thought it not fair all his creations had a mate, outside Adam, and thus, decided to create Eve for him.


Man was not placed there as a "gardener", he was placed there to live. God gave him permission to make it his home even if that ment moving plants or whatever may have been the case.



Genesis 2

15And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Your statement does not make nor clarify your quotes.

Of course he'd want him to eat, since Adam wasn't immortal, he would have died and he'd be out his landscaper..

For the simple sake of ending this portion of the debate:

Funches speaks of:

Genesis 2:15

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it."

Clearly states that Adam's sole original purpose was to tend the garden and maintain it.

Later, he thought it not fair all his creations had a mate, outside Adam, and thus, decided to create Eve for him.


To have fellowship with us, to have a relationship with us. Outside of that on a deeper why, you would have to ask God.



Ephesians 3:8-11


8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord

Who says Adam wasn't immortal when he was created?


Romans 5:12


12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned


So from this we see there was no sin, no death before Adam disobeyed God. Or in other words Adam/Eve was immortal until they sinnned/disobeyed God.

...so, your answer is no answer?

Wait till death and ask him yourself?

Mkay. That works.

Cowboy.

Read Genesis.

God banished Adam and Eve and placed a guardian to the entrance so that:

"..let them not eat from the Tree of Life and gain immortality like us.."

..you can't gain immortality, if you already have it.

Common sense.

Romans is how many chapters later from the original stated point?

I gave you the answer, what are you talking about?



Other then theat, there would be absolutely no purpose for us, for the angels, for anything other then God.

..plus, how would there be death if everything, even after the Garden days, lived to be 900+ years.

..there time was far too short in the Garden to properly access that anything wouldn't have eventually died.

You're not keeping things in context here.

1. Adam/Eve was kicked out of the garden, thus they lost their immortality.

2. "..let them not eat from the Tree of Life and gain immortality like us.." Is not said in the scriptures, what in the world are you talking about? If it is, please give book/chapter/verse

I know, you said to ask God yourself.

Only logical time, since I 'cannot hear' his voice, would be to wait until death.



Other then theat, there would be absolutely no purpose for us, for the angels, for anything other then God.


..and that's a completely ludicrous concept in your mind, I take it?

Genesis 3:22

"Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”.

'Become like one of Us' <-- speaking of knowing Good and Evil.

'Lest he put out his hand' <-- then speaks of eating from the tree of life to gain immortality.

I am speaking by context.

While I am still completely oblivious as to whom God was speaking of when he made the reference to 'Us'...

..it is clear, by his own wording, that Adam and Eve were in fact MORTAL, because they had NOT yet been banished, and already was threatened by the idea of them becoming such; ultimately, by the wording itself.

It wasn't so much the fact they had eaten from the tree, that upset him, it was the idea that they could now eat from a particular tree and become immortal.

That's actually, by the Bible's words, why they were banished.
His fear of them becoming immortal like him.

Another interesting point lies in one thing NOT said.

You spoke of how, prior, God 'looked upon it and saw that it was good'. That line end Genesis 1.

Genesis 2 depicts the arrival of Adam then later Eve and also trees rivers, etc. He never repeats the words, 'saw that it was good'.

In some variances, like KJ Version, the mere touching of the Tree of Good and Evil, was supposed to cause instant death. Again, a bold lie, or plot to deceive; but seeing as you state that he 'knew they'd fail', why even bother lying to such a degree?

Back on track.

Genesis 3:24 <-- Speaks of the Guardian I mentioned.

For your viewing pleasure:

"After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

He was very blatant about the fact that NO ONE is to be as he is; NO ONE is to EVER be immortal like him.

(Maybe changed when he had a son, but that's a different topic.)

Sin_and_Sorrow.....


SPIRITUAL death happened INSTANTLY, when Adam and Eve sinned....


their PHYSICAL death, however, just took much longer....and the

years of man's physical time on earth, has dramatically

decreased even moreso, since adam and eve's time on earth...


US = Father Son(Word), Holy Spirit.......

God is a tri-une God......but still ONLY ONE GOD.

There is ONLY ONE GOD.

Look up and study the word,Elohim.



BTW...when a person is BORN AGAIN, that person's spirit is MADE

ALIVE AGAIN ( that is what born again means).....and that person

ALSO is now given ETERNAL LIFE.