immaculate conception.... virgin birth....

It never happened.

people pissing off is an example of Asexual Reproduction

lol,, ya think?

its common in this thread,, good to recognize when people are just debating to be difficult too

,,glad you have that 'sense',,,lol

In the earlier scriptures in the old testament, "be

fruitful" meant to produce , or bear children.



In the new testament however, "be fruitful" is referring to

producing the fruits of the spirit(directed TO believers).

Or bearing fruit,if you will.


But,Before Jesus came in th flesh,

NO man could 'be fruitful", or produce spiritual fruit

yet,because no man was yet born again in the old testament.


Point being, when the old testament scriptures said to "be

fruitful" and multiply, it was referring to having children.



So again, when God was telling man to be fruitful and multiply, he

was talking about having children and multiplying( in the

old testament )only.


And of course, spirit filled believers in the new testament

(and including all believers from then on,of course)

were to 'be fruitful" in

their christian walk....and bear much fruit.

Fruits of the spirit, that is .


The old testament presentsed types and shadows of things to come.

If one were to go into a deeper study of GOD'S WORD, one

would find that everything in the old testament pointed to

Jesus,and things that were to come.

Including the subject of"bearing fruit."

Oh how deep and rich is Thy Word oh Lord..and to think, we have

only barely touched the surface.....



ps...I mainly shared this post, becaue I wasn't quite sure if the

previous poster WAS saying that , to "be fruitful" meant ONLY

to bear spirtual fruit( both in the old AND the new

testament)...and if that was what was being implied, then

that would not be the case.

Perhaps ,I misundestood the previous post, and if so....then

my sincere apologies for the misundertanding.

I still disagree, but its not a terrible message either way it speaks to us,,

MsHarmony, If I may ask...


in regards to the meaning of "being fruitful" in the old and

new testament ,

what is it you don't agree with ?


???

I disagree that be fruitful and multiply was referring only to sex...

Ok....so let's change the words here a bit...

since fruitful and productive are synonyms,

instead of saying, "be fruitful and multiply",

let's just say, " be productive and multiply".




Below,in just genesis chapter one alone, are two different

places where The words"be fruitful and multiply " are used:


Genesis 1:20-23
King James Version (KJV)

20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving

creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in

the open firmament of heaven.

21And God created great whales, and every living creature that

moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their

kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was

good.

22And God BLESSED THEM ,SAYING , BE FRUITFUL ,AND MULTIPLY, AND

FILL THE WATERS IN THE SEAS, and let FOWL MULTIPLY in the

EARTH.

23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day..

........

Genesis 1:27-28
King James Version (KJV)


27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created

he him; male and female created he them.

28And God BLESSED them, and GOD SAID UNTO THEM, BE FRUITFUL, AND

MULTIPLY, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have

dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air,

and over

every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


Notice....BOTH of the verses above are

talking about being fruitful and multiplying.


In the first verse mentioned above, God addresses the sea

creatures

and the fowls of the air,about being fruitful and multiplying;


and in the second verse, God SAYS UNTO THEM(man) the exact

same words,"Be Fruitful and Multiply".



(Ok now......since God is saying to the sea creatures and

the fowls of

the Air, the very same words He is saying to man(be fruitful

and multiply);

then , is God telling the sea creatures and fowls to live

productive or fruitful lives,

OR,

is God telling both the sea creatures and fowls of the air,

AND man ,to BE productive(or in other words, BE fruitful).....


See the difference in meaning here?

(can sea creatures and fowl live fruitful or productive lives?

IF that WERE the MEANING of "be fruitful" , that is ?


No...of course not...only man can do that...however, that is NOT what God meant here...

NOTICE again, How God says the VERY SAME WORDS TO BOTH SEA

CREATURES AND FOWL, AS WELL AS TO MAN, "BE FRUITFUL AND

MULTIPLY."





NOW(and I'm sure we agree on this ), MOST if not

ALL of

the time when " being

fruitful" is mentioned in the NEW testament ,the

words "be fruitful" ,

are referring to producing SPIRITUAL FRUIT.


Hope this helps clarify things a bit more.

oh jeez.......I prophetize a witch hunt brewing

MsHarmony...your fangs and claws are sprouting again

if God gave the command to be "Fruitful and Multiply" to both animal and Man in The Old Testament then why would the same command mean something else in The New Testament especially when some try to claim that both that gave those commands are each one of three Godheads

"Fruitful" implies "Lust".... because without "Lust" neither Man nor Animal would have the incentive or inherent knowledge to multiply, followers try to disassoicate God and Jesus from sex out of shame, but the bible clearly points to God being an Entity of Lust

In The Beginning all God has been doing is carrying out his own command to be "Fruitful and Multiply" ...he created the Earth, Man and Animals as machines of sex....He created THe Angels which proceed to have sex with Earth Women ...and in The New Testament he begin to have sex with his creations

You know that saying "Judge a tree by the fruit it bears". Are you going to tell me that you judge a tree by what kind of sex it has? No, lol. Being fruitful doesn't have anything to do with sexual intercourse.

To be fruitful is an analogy. It can mean to be productive. But in the case of God telling his people to "be fruitful" most people will understand that to mean to be fertile and reproduce.

People are not trees so they don't bare fruit. They have children.

With trees, it is the fruit that has the seeds and it is the fruit that will fall to the ground and grow more trees.

Cowboy if you have something against sex, that is a personal problem of yours. If you want to interpret the Bible in your own way, that is also personal to you.

But to make a statement that "being fruitful" doesn't have anythig to do with sexual intercourse is simply not an accurate or true statement if you are looking at it as an analogy.It would not make any sense to take that statement of blessing literally. People are not trees.

People don't bare fruit. They have children. People are not trees. Everyone knows what is required to get pregnant. It requires sexual intercourse. Even a tree needs to be fertilized. That is done by bees and butterflies bringing pollen from tree to tree.

You need to learn about the birds and the bees I think. Then learn something about sex. Sex is natural. It is how GOD made us. Don't demonize or criticize God's work.

People do bare fruits. Fruits of labour.



People don't have the choice to be fertile or not. Some people men and women are born not able to have children. Again, one being fertile or not is not a choice, they are or they aren't. So wouldn't make much sense for God telling people to be fertile when it's not a choice.

"Fruits of labor" is an analogy. It IS NOT ACTUALLY FRUIT.
People do not bare fruit. Trees bare fruit.

Do you know what an analogy is?




That is why God gave them the blessing. It meant "Be fertile and multiply!"

That was what giving the blessing was all about! DUH!

Its like someone telling you to "Have a good time!" It was not a command or an instruction. It WAS A BLESSING!

They are giving you a blessing and wishing for you to have a good time.

You may not have a choice of whether you can have a good time or not. It was a blessing, not a command.


It is like saying "Good Luck!" Its the blessing of good luck.

Cowboy if you don't know the difference between a blessing or an instruction or a command, you should not try to interpret the Bible without the help of someone who knows what they are doing.

Cowboy..."Judge a tree by the fruit it bears" is a "saying" and not the command that God gave to both Man and animals ...

the command God gave was to "Be Fruitful and Multiply" ...

if you wish to continue to play this role of Cowboy The Virgin and attempt to disassociate this command from meaning inherent lustful sex

then you have to explain why God would give that command to the Animals

while you're at it can you also explain who teach animals how to have sex....is it Tarzan Lord of The jungle?

Yes, I know what an analogy is thank you very much. It is a "parable" so to speak. That is what I originally made a statement on it. To be FRUITFUL and multiply, would be using fruit as the analogy previously mentioned. To do good and multiply = be fruitful and multiply. Because it can not be talking about fertility, one doesn't have control over if they are fertile or not.

Not dissociating anything. Judging a tree by the fruit it bares in the way people use it eg., Some that doing good is a good person, someone that does bad is not so much a good person, ect ect.

So God told us to be fruitful and multiply, again this could not be referring to fertility, for one doesn't have a choice if they are fertile or not. Being fruitful is accomplishing things, doing good, ect. So God's commandment to us was be faithful to him and multiply.

Cowboy you apparently don't know what a blessing is. One does not have to "have control" over being "fertile or fruitful."

It WAS A BLESSING! NOT A COMMAND OR INSTRUCTION. Do you understand what a blessing is?

Yes I do know lol. But the statement was not necassarily a blessing. It didn't say

LET YOU BE FRUITFUL
YOU ARE FRUITFUL NOW MULTIPLY
YOU MAY BE FRUITFUL SO MULTIPLY.

Said, BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY. It's a directive, not an informative.

According to your beliefs, when God said "Let there be light" then there was light.

you posted this:

28
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Not only does the above say AND GOD BLESSED THEM... it also says that God SAID; Be fruitful and multiply.

So with God speaks, things happen. Just like when he said "Let there be light!" There was light.

So, God saying "be fruitful and multiply!" was a blessing it was not a command or an instruction.