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According to your beliefs, when God said "Let there be light" then there was light. you posted this: 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Not only does the above say AND GOD BLESSED THEM... it also says that God SAID; Be fruitful and multiply. So with God speaks, things happen. Just like when he said "Let there be light!" There was light. So, God saying "be fruitful and multiply!" was a blessing it was not a command or an instruction. ??? Keep things in context. God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Just this part of the verse is an instruction of what we are to do. It says specifically God blessed them AND God SAID "be fruitful". God told them/us to be fruitful. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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According to your beliefs, when God said "Let there be light" then there was light. you posted this: 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Not only does the above say AND GOD BLESSED THEM... it also says that God SAID; Be fruitful and multiply. So with God speaks, things happen. Just like when he said "Let there be light!" There was light. So, God saying "be fruitful and multiply!" was a blessing it was not a command or an instruction. ??? Keep things in context. God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Just this part of the verse is an instruction of what we are to do. It says specifically God blessed them AND God SAID "be fruitful". God told them/us to be fruitful. What are you talking about? Keep things in context? I am trying to help you understand something. When God speaks things happen. Be fruitful, means, according to the dictionary, to be FERTILE. Fruitful means fertile. When God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" He was creating. When he said "Be fruitful and multiply" he was creating and giving humans the gift of fertility. Therefore all that goes along with fertility, including the sexual desire that goes with it was a gift and a blessing from God. And YOU are attempting to make it dirty and make it a sin to feel desire or lust, or have sex. Sex is a gift from God. You just want to make it into a sin. That is twisted thinking in my opinion. So if you wish to live in guilt and shame for your sexuality, that is your bad choice. But don't try to lay that guilt trip on others. |
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According to your beliefs, when God said "Let there be light" then there was light. you posted this: 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Not only does the above say AND GOD BLESSED THEM... it also says that God SAID; Be fruitful and multiply. So with God speaks, things happen. Just like when he said "Let there be light!" There was light. So, God saying "be fruitful and multiply!" was a blessing it was not a command or an instruction. ??? Keep things in context. God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Just this part of the verse is an instruction of what we are to do. It says specifically God blessed them AND God SAID "be fruitful". God told them/us to be fruitful. What are you talking about? Keep things in context? I am trying to help you understand something. When God speaks things happen. Be fruitful, means, according to the dictionary, to be FERTILE. Fruitful means fertile. When God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" He was creating. When he said "Be fruitful and multiply" he was creating and giving humans the gift of fertility. Therefore all that goes along with fertility, including the sexual desire that goes with it was a gift and a blessing from God. And YOU are attempting to make it dirty and make it a sin to feel desire or lust, or have sex. Sex is a gift from God. You just want to make it into a sin. That is twisted thinking in my opinion. So if you wish to live in guilt and shame for your sexuality, that is your bad choice. But don't try to lay that guilt trip on others. Yes keep things in context of how they are written. God blessed them. THEN God said unto them, be fruitful and multiply. Sex had nothing to do with the blessing. The being fruitful and to multiply were instructions, they weren't something God did himself. God blessing them is the only action God did in that verse. The rest were instructions. It doesn't say God blessed them to be fruitful... ect ect. No, said God blessed them *end of statemet* then God told them to be fruitful and multiply. Genesis 1:28 28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. |
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Well for anyone who believes that, good luck with your sexual hang ups.
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Well for anyone who believes that, good luck with your sexual hang ups. I have no sexual hang ups thank you very much. I'm very comfortable with my sexuality. |
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Fri 09/09/11 12:26 AM
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Cowboy wrote:
"...... To be FRUITFUL and multiply, would be using fruit as the analogy previously mentioned. To do good and multiply = be fruitful and multiply. Because it can not be talking about fertility, one doesn't have control over if they are fertile or not.
Cowboy, In Genesis, when God was saying ,"Be fruitful and multiply" ,to the creatures of the sea and fowls of the air.....and blessed them too... do you believe that God was just telling them to do good and multiply, also????? Telll me...how can one multiply by just doing good? Multiply means INCREASE... To be able to increase , one must be able to PRODUCE. NOT just do good. So, to "be fruitful and multiply" , would have to mean more, than to do good and multiply....in order to have increase. See now? (NOW, in the NEW testament, "be fruitful" was referring to bearing or PRODUCING SPIRITUAL FRUIT...but..we are NOT talking about the new testament...we are talking about the meaning of "be fruitful and multiply" in the OLD testament. (please see genesis 30:2 for another example ...where it mentions the fruit of the womb). Cowboy, This is why God sent us believers the Holy Spirit to teach us...to lead and quide us into all Truth...cause God knew we could not teach ourselves , or understand His Word, with out the Holy Spirit Indwelling us. This is why it is important to beleive in the DEITY of Jesus Christ..or else, nothing happens. When One REALLY BELIEVES, GOD KNOWS.....and will therefore allow the Holy Spirit to Come In, and INDWELL that person...otherwise ,the Holy Spirit would be TRESSPASSING, IF a person doesn't really believe. To just believe that jesus is a "god" or lord and saviour with a little l and a little s.....but not REALLY beleive that Jesus is EQUALLY GOD, meant that NOTHING happened in your life, Cowboy,when you made Jesus a little god in your life. No power...no transformation....no born again...nothing...just you trying to EARN your way to heaven by GOOD WORKS!!! WHICH is all you have been representing " on here... someome advocating getting to heaven by doing good works...and believing in jesus as some little " god", NOT EQUALLY GOD. See....the REAL Jesus will not come in where He is not invited. Jesus knows you did not invite the REAL Jesus in, but just another Jesus (some "little god not equal to GOD)." Jesus knows you do not really BELIEVE HIM to be WHO HE REALLY IS, , at all. AND NOTHING HAPPENED. God wants you to KNOW Him personally as Lord and Saviour in the REAL way now, Cowboy. Are You ready for the REAL Jesus Now? IF You are.... THEN ....The Holy Spirit WILL come and Indwell you this time.....and GOD'S WORD Will become CLEAR to you....because THEN, His Holy Spirit will Come and LIVE in You, and BE with You, Forever. And there will be no more confusion. And Do You Know What Else, Cowboy? THEN God WILL REALLY Begin to Move in Your Life in A Mighty Way, and Bring to Pass the Great and Mighty Things , He Already Has in Store For You, Cowboy!!!! |
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You know that saying "Judge a tree by the fruit it bears".Are you going to tell me that you judge a tree by what kind of sex it has? No, lol. Being fruitful doesn't have anything to do with sexual intercourse. Cowboy..."Judge a tree by the fruit it bears" is a "saying" and not the command that God gave to both Man and animals ... the command God gave was to "Be Fruitful and Multiply" ... if you wish to continue to play this role of Cowboy The Virgin and attempt to disassociate this command from meaning inherent lustful sex then you have to explain why God would give that command to the Animals while you're at it can you also explain who teach animals how to have sex....is it Tarzan Lord of The jungle? Not dissociating anything. Judging a tree by the fruit it bares in the way people use it eg., Some that doing good is a good person, someone that does bad is not so much a good person, ect ect. So God told us to be fruitful and multiply, again this could not be referring to fertility, for one doesn't have a choice if they are fertile or not. Being fruitful is accomplishing things, doing good, ect. So God's commandment to us was be faithful to him and multiply. Cowboy...a seed can not become a Tree or bear fruit until or unless it is first pollinated ...pollination is a method of Sex ...unless of course you believe that little angels grow the fruit in Heaven float down and then stick the fruit on the tree branches when God or Jesus refer to fruit...it only shows that they have sex on their mind ... also you still have not answered the eternal question ...if fruitful does not mean "inherent lust" then how would animals know how to carry out God's command and "multiply" you attmepts to avoid that question is an indication that you have been enlighten that "Fruitful" does mean "horny" |
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You know that saying "Judge a tree by the fruit it bears".Are you going to tell me that you judge a tree by what kind of sex it has? No, lol. Being fruitful doesn't have anything to do with sexual intercourse. Cowboy..."Judge a tree by the fruit it bears" is a "saying" and not the command that God gave to both Man and animals ... the command God gave was to "Be Fruitful and Multiply" ... if you wish to continue to play this role of Cowboy The Virgin and attempt to disassociate this command from meaning inherent lustful sex then you have to explain why God would give that command to the Animals while you're at it can you also explain who teach animals how to have sex....is it Tarzan Lord of The jungle? Not dissociating anything. Judging a tree by the fruit it bares in the way people use it eg., Some that doing good is a good person, someone that does bad is not so much a good person, ect ect. So God told us to be fruitful and multiply, again this could not be referring to fertility, for one doesn't have a choice if they are fertile or not. Being fruitful is accomplishing things, doing good, ect. So God's commandment to us was be faithful to him and multiply. Cowboy...a seed can not become a Tree or bear fruit until or unless it is first pollinated ...pollination is a method of Sex ...unless of course you believe that little angels grow the fruit in Heaven float down and then stick the fruit on the tree branches when God or Jesus refer to fruit...it only shows that they have sex on their mind ... also you still have not answered the eternal question ...if fruitful does not mean "inherent lust" then how would animals know how to carry out God's command and "multiply" you attmepts to avoid that question is an indication that you have been enlighten that "Fruitful" does mean "horny" Animals have instincts naturally to reproduce. you attmepts to avoid that question is an indication that you have been enlighten that "Fruitful" does mean "horny" No that just shows where your mind goes with "fruitful". Fruitful means productive, means getting things one needs to do done. Means not being lazy. Again, being fruitful in the sense you're using it, being fertile, that is not a choice. Each person does not choose to be fertile or not. |
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Cowboy wrote: "...... To be FRUITFUL and multiply, would be using fruit as the analogy previously mentioned. To do good and multiply = be fruitful and multiply. Because it can not be talking about fertility, one doesn't have control over if they are fertile or not.
Cowboy, In Genesis, when God was saying ,"Be fruitful and multiply" ,to the creatures of the sea and fowls of the air.....and blessed them too... do you believe that God was just telling them to do good and multiply, also????? Telll me...how can one multiply by just doing good? Multiply means INCREASE... To be able to increase , one must be able to PRODUCE. NOT just do good. So, to "be fruitful and multiply" , would have to mean more, than to do good and multiply....in order to have increase. See now? (NOW, in the NEW testament, "be fruitful" was referring to bearing or PRODUCING SPIRITUAL FRUIT...but..we are NOT talking about the new testament...we are talking about the meaning of "be fruitful and multiply" in the OLD testament. (please see genesis 30:2 for another example ...where it mentions the fruit of the womb). Cowboy, This is why God sent us believers the Holy Spirit to teach us...to lead and quide us into all Truth...cause God knew we could not teach ourselves , or understand His Word, with out the Holy Spirit Indwelling us. This is why it is important to beleive in the DEITY of Jesus Christ..or else, nothing happens. When One REALLY BELIEVES, GOD KNOWS.....and will therefore allow the Holy Spirit to Come In, and INDWELL that person...otherwise ,the Holy Spirit would be TRESSPASSING, IF a person doesn't really believe. To just believe that jesus is a "god" or lord and saviour with a little l and a little s.....but not REALLY beleive that Jesus is EQUALLY GOD, meant that NOTHING happened in your life, Cowboy,when you made Jesus a little god in your life. No power...no transformation....no born again...nothing...just you trying to EARN your way to heaven by GOOD WORKS!!! WHICH is all you have been representing " on here... someome advocating getting to heaven by doing good works...and believing in jesus as some little " god", NOT EQUALLY GOD. See....the REAL Jesus will not come in where He is not invited. Jesus knows you did not invite the REAL Jesus in, but just another Jesus (some "little god not equal to GOD)." Jesus knows you do not really BELIEVE HIM to be WHO HE REALLY IS, , at all. AND NOTHING HAPPENED. God wants you to KNOW Him personally as Lord and Saviour in the REAL way now, Cowboy. Are You ready for the REAL Jesus Now? IF You are.... THEN ....The Holy Spirit WILL come and Indwell you this time.....and GOD'S WORD Will become CLEAR to you....because THEN, His Holy Spirit will Come and LIVE in You, and BE with You, Forever. And there will be no more confusion. And Do You Know What Else, Cowboy? THEN God WILL REALLY Begin to Move in Your Life in A Mighty Way, and Bring to Pass the Great and Mighty Things , He Already Has in Store For You, Cowboy!!!! To just believe that jesus is a "god" or lord and saviour with a little l and a little s.....but not REALLY beleive that Jesus is EQUALLY GOD, meant that NOTHING happened in your life, Cowboy,when you made Jesus a little god in your life. No power...no transformation....no born again...nothing...just you trying to EARN your way to heaven by GOOD WORKS!!! WHICH is all you have been representing " on here... someome advocating getting to heaven by doing good works...and believing in jesus as some little " god", NOT EQUALLY GOD. Judge not less ye be judged. Cause you know absolutely nothing obviously. I'm not trying to earn heaven in any way, I leave that all in the hands of Jesus. Jesus is my life thank you very much, he is everything and anything that is any bit important to me in my life. I already know works alone can not save a person. Jesus is our God. God wants you to KNOW Him personally as Lord and Saviour in the REAL way now, Cowboy. I do know God. Jesus is my lord and saviour. He is my ever lasting father. |
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Animals have instincts naturally to reproduce. so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" No that just shows where your mind goes with "fruitful". Fruitful means productive, means getting things one needs to do done. Means not being lazy. Again, being fruitful in the sense you're using it, being fertile, that is not a choice. Each person does not choose to be fertile or not. Cowboy ...you can't multiply unless you're fruitful.....simply logic you are a produce of your parents being "frutiful" ... please say I'm wrong and that you believe that a stork brought you to your parents by dropping you down their chimney |
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Animals have instincts naturally to reproduce. so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" No that just shows where your mind goes with "fruitful". Fruitful means productive, means getting things one needs to do done. Means not being lazy. Again, being fruitful in the sense you're using it, being fertile, that is not a choice. Each person does not choose to be fertile or not. Cowboy ...you can't multiply unless you're fruitful.....simply logic you are a produce of your parents being "frutiful" ... please say I'm wrong and that you believe that a stork brought you to your parents by dropping you down their chimney Of course this is 'fruitfull'... However that portion of 'fruitfull' is but a fleeting thing... If it produces a human child then many other types of 'fruitfull' must be applied by the parents to RAISE that child into an adult human... as it takes a community to raise our children. Fruitfull becomes not that of an individual but that of the community... and civilization itself becomes 'fruitfull'... Sex is but a very small part of that 'fruitfull' as it is used in Genesis... |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 09:56 AM
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For a community to thrive, they need to reproduce, but not only that. They need to thrive, which means they need to continue to live, be healthy and reproduce.
You can do a lot of good, and produce a lot of crops, build a lot of communities and buildings... and live like kings ... but if you don't have any children your community will all die in one generation. Cowboy, everyone is trying to tell you something but you don't want to listen and learn you continue to just want to defend your position and your personal beliefs. Oh well.... we tried. |
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Animals have instincts naturally to reproduce. so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" No that just shows where your mind goes with "fruitful". Fruitful means productive, means getting things one needs to do done. Means not being lazy. Again, being fruitful in the sense you're using it, being fertile, that is not a choice. Each person does not choose to be fertile or not. Cowboy ...you can't multiply unless you're fruitful.....simply logic you are a produce of your parents being "frutiful" ... please say I'm wrong and that you believe that a stork brought you to your parents by dropping you down their chimney so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" Yes I already understood the command "fruitful" I'm very fruitful through my days, I don't waste my life. I learned not to, almost lost it in a car wrech and have dedicated my life to spreading the word of God to the world. I don't waste any time of my life, you don't know how much you truly have. |
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For a community to thrive, they need to reproduce, but not only that. They need to thrive, which means they need to continue to live, be healthy and reproduce. You can do a lot of good, and produce a lot of crops, build a lot of communities and buildings... and live like kings ... but if you don't have any children your community will all die in one generation. Cowboy, everyone is trying to tell you something but you don't want to listen and learn you continue to just want to defend your position and your personal beliefs. Oh well.... we tried. So by what you say, it is ok to go whoring around, you're only fulfilling God's wishes to "be fruitful". |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:14 AM
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Animals have instincts naturally to reproduce. so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" No that just shows where your mind goes with "fruitful". Fruitful means productive, means getting things one needs to do done. Means not being lazy. Again, being fruitful in the sense you're using it, being fertile, that is not a choice. Each person does not choose to be fertile or not. Cowboy ...you can't multiply unless you're fruitful.....simply logic you are a produce of your parents being "frutiful" ... please say I'm wrong and that you believe that a stork brought you to your parents by dropping you down their chimney so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" Yes I already understood the command "fruitful" I'm very fruitful through my days, I don't waste my life. I learned not to, almost lost it in a car wrech and have dedicated my life to spreading the word of God to the world. I don't waste any time of my life, you don't know how much you truly have. Cowboy do you really believe you are "spreading the word of God?" It sounds more like you are spreading your own word. These are your own ideas. Are you trying to be the Pope? Have you been to seminary school? Are you an ordained Preacher? Or are you just trying to convince everyone to believe YOUR personal interpretation of the Bible? You know that there are Bibles all over the place. Even I have several Bibles. Most people know how to read already. I don't think the world needs another self-ordained Pope. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:21 AM
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For a community to thrive, they need to reproduce, but not only that. They need to thrive, which means they need to continue to live, be healthy and reproduce. You can do a lot of good, and produce a lot of crops, build a lot of communities and buildings... and live like kings ... but if you don't have any children your community will all die in one generation. Cowboy, everyone is trying to tell you something but you don't want to listen and learn you continue to just want to defend your position and your personal beliefs. Oh well.... we tried. So by what you say, it is ok to go whoring around, you're only fulfilling God's wishes to "be fruitful". There you go again re-writing and misrepresenting my words. "Whoring around" is selling sex and is normally associated with women. What I am saying is that everyone is trying to tell you that "be fruitful and multiply" means to reproduce. That means to increase in number. That means to have children. Whores don't usually have a bunch of children. If you interpret the Bible the way you interpret what other people say, you are never going to be believed in anything you say. Why don't you practice LISTENING and try to understand what people are telling you? Because you ego is getting in the way. As long as your ego keep getting in the way all you are going to do is ..anything to defend your position. That is ARGUE ARGUE ARGUE. BLAH! |
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Animals have instincts naturally to reproduce. so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" No that just shows where your mind goes with "fruitful". Fruitful means productive, means getting things one needs to do done. Means not being lazy. Again, being fruitful in the sense you're using it, being fertile, that is not a choice. Each person does not choose to be fertile or not. Cowboy ...you can't multiply unless you're fruitful.....simply logic you are a produce of your parents being "frutiful" ... please say I'm wrong and that you believe that a stork brought you to your parents by dropping you down their chimney so do Man...now you understand the command "Fruitful" Yes I already understood the command "fruitful" I'm very fruitful through my days, I don't waste my life. I learned not to, almost lost it in a car wrech and have dedicated my life to spreading the word of God to the world. I don't waste any time of my life, you don't know how much you truly have. Cowboy do you really believe you are "spreading the word of God?" It sounds more like you are spreading your own word. These are your own ideas. Are you trying to be the Pope? Have you been to seminary school? Are you an ordained Preacher? Or are you just trying to convince everyone to believe YOUR personal interpretation of the Bible? You know that there are Bibles all over the place. Even I have several Bibles. Most people know how to read already. I don't think the world needs another self-ordained Pope. Not a pope, I'm nothing special. And no I'm not spreading my own person interpretation, I have many of times even asked people to discuss if they interpret verses differently. They tend not to when I include the surrounding verses to put it into context. They just leave it at that. If they truly thought I misinterpreted it they should have continued to discuss, cause I may very well have. |
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For a community to thrive, they need to reproduce, but not only that. They need to thrive, which means they need to continue to live, be healthy and reproduce. You can do a lot of good, and produce a lot of crops, build a lot of communities and buildings... and live like kings ... but if you don't have any children your community will all die in one generation. Cowboy, everyone is trying to tell you something but you don't want to listen and learn you continue to just want to defend your position and your personal beliefs. Oh well.... we tried. So by what you say, it is ok to go whoring around, you're only fulfilling God's wishes to "be fruitful". There you go again re-writing and misrepresenting my words. "Whoring around" is selling sex and is normally associated with women. What I am saying is that everyone is trying to tell you that "be fruitful and multiply" means to reproduce. That means to increase in number. That means to have children. Whores don't usually have a bunch of children. If you interpret the Bible the way you interpret what other people say, you are never going to be believed in anything you say. Whoring around doesn't have anything to do with money. A whore is someone whom has sex with multiple people. And by your interpretation of being "fruitful" it would be the same as whoring around and or in simpler terms, sleeping with many people. Sex is purely for marriage. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:24 AM
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Not a pope, I'm nothing special. And no I'm not spreading my own person interpretation, I have many of times even asked people to discuss if they interpret verses differently. They tend not to when I include the surrounding verses to put it into context. They just leave it at that. If they truly thought I misinterpreted it they should have continued to discuss, cause I may very well have.
No, people who stop discussing things with you do so because they realize it is a big waste of time. It is not because they agree with you. Or maybe they just don't want to argue or burst the bubble you seem to be living in. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Fri 09/09/11 10:28 AM
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For a community to thrive, they need to reproduce, but not only that. They need to thrive, which means they need to continue to live, be healthy and reproduce. You can do a lot of good, and produce a lot of crops, build a lot of communities and buildings... and live like kings ... but if you don't have any children your community will all die in one generation. Cowboy, everyone is trying to tell you something but you don't want to listen and learn you continue to just want to defend your position and your personal beliefs. Oh well.... we tried. So by what you say, it is ok to go whoring around, you're only fulfilling God's wishes to "be fruitful". There you go again re-writing and misrepresenting my words. "Whoring around" is selling sex and is normally associated with women. What I am saying is that everyone is trying to tell you that "be fruitful and multiply" means to reproduce. That means to increase in number. That means to have children. Whores don't usually have a bunch of children. If you interpret the Bible the way you interpret what other people say, you are never going to be believed in anything you say. Whoring around doesn't have anything to do with money. A whore is someone whom has sex with multiple people. And by your interpretation of being "fruitful" it would be the same as whoring around and or in simpler terms, sleeping with many people. Sex is purely for marriage. Oh so now you know all about whores. That's funny. You need some street learning. whore [hawr, hohr or, often, hoor] Show IPA noun, verb, whored, whor·ing. noun 1. a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money; prostitute; harlot; strumpet. Anyone who uses that term in any other way is just being a woman hater. |
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