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Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. "mylifetoday" ...perhaps you should first find any post where I stated that I hate Christians or Christianity or that there can only be peace if there were no Christians.......I make it a point to stick by "everything" I post and do not try to duck or dodge or make excuses as to find a way to weasal out of what I posted you are the one that made a statement such as theses....if you do not like anyone accusing you of making them...then simply don't make them ...all I was saying that under "The Christian Love Law" you have the right to make such statements of hate and under Christian love Law that will be considered to be statments of Love The statements I make regarding the Muslim religion are statements of fact. They have nothing to do with how I feel. What does it say about you when your interpretation of the facts I present is that I must hate them? If you really stopped to think about it, that means if you would have to accept the facts as true, then you are saying that you would hate them. You are not arguing the facts, you are arguing that I don't have a right to make factual statements that would lead someone to be afraid. That is all that you are doing when you continually say that I hate them. The only way I can change that perception of yours is to deny the facts of Muhammad's life. I find it truly bizarre. The same people that tear down Christians as a hateful group will defend Muslims as peace loving despite the blatant evidence to the contrary in the Middle East. There are always excuses given to them saying either the Jews or the Christians have provoked them. They had no choice. again "mylifetoday'..it's about Christian Love....you are required by your religion to love muslims.... but I must say that after reading your posts it just don't seem like you do ...so I have to ask the question .....yes or no...do you Love all muslims? Yes I do. Each person who is Muslim is worthy of being loved. That doesnt change the facts of Muhammad's life. What each Muslim does with their faith is their own choice, just as with Christians. The only difference being - Muhammad's teachings were pretty much the opposite of Jesus when it came to taking up arms. claiming to love someone and then critizing them afterwards is that an example of Christian Love or an example of abuse |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, I understand you disagree with me and that's fine, but it doesn't change the reality of what religion does to one's mind regardless of whether or not one realizes it. |
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msharmony said: organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything
Mylifetoday just said this: "Because there are very specific beliefs all Christians hold as Truth. If you disagree with one of these truths then you are not a Christian."
THERE YOU HAVE IT! Your answer. Yes "organized religion" expects you to conform or you are not "a Christian." msharmony said: if by organized religion you mean,, mylifetoday Kleisto said: You're still in denial here, mylifetoday is far from the only one who thinks this way. Face it, every denomination thinks their way is the only right way, and all others are simply wrong, with grave punishments for those who don't think like them. If that isn't the definition of expecting conformity, I don't know what is. Catholicism is particularly guilty of this. I was completely cast out from my's dad side of the family when I left their Church a few years ago. Lord knows what they'd think if they knew I rejected all religion entirely now. I lost a friend I had known for a year or two, when my beliefs changed to non religious and I started to speak out against religion. Is this really the fruit of a peaceful group? Somehow I don't think so. All religion does is divide the people and pit them against each other. If you dissolve the religions, you will end the division as well. Im in denial of nothing here. So what if mylifetoday DOES feel that way and isnt alone? I feel differently and I am not alone either. Yet, we are both human beings who have chosen the religion of CHRISTIANITY,,nothing dictates that we will interpret it the same way and nothing dictates that either of us are spokespersons for the WHOLE religion. Msharmony, I have actually been to each and every church in my town. There are seven. I went to the pastor to ask them what they believe about certain things. I was trying to understand why there were seven Christian churches and not just one. Each church has there own separate take on things. If you join their church you are eventually expected to agree with THEM. If you don't, you will simply NOT FIT IN. I'm not going to say that they will kick you out but they will continue to "straiten you out" to their way of thinking. So YES unless you belong to a church of ONE (Yourself) you are expected to "fall in line" with what your church teaches or the pressure is on. If you don't, you simply don't fit in. They may not say it out loud or preach it, but each church believes the the other churches have probably got it wrong. Some of them teach and believe that only they have it right. Some even believe that the other guys are not real Christians and they are not the chosen few who will go to paradise. This is what I have discovered after interviewing and going to each church in my town.... except one church which I would not set foot into. (The crazies who speak in tongues).. and they think I'm a pawn of Satan because I read tarot cards. 
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, I understand you disagree with me and that's fine, but it doesn't change the reality of what religion does to one's mind regardless of whether or not one realizes it. you confuse the influence of outside pressure on weak minds with the influence of religion on mine,,,,but thats your perogative |
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I was trying to say that Christianity in and of itself is defined by a few specific points of belief. It is not an organized religion. It is a specific set of belief everyone that calls themselves Christian holds true. It cannot be an organized religion or there would only be on Chritian religion not the dozen that exist today. I call BS on that. If there's a certain group of people who believe in one particular way, that is an organized religion. Whether others have there own belief systems apart from yours really doesn't matter. Alright, to put it more specifically as you don't appear to want to understand what I'm saying: there is a definition of Christianity. Just as there is for all belief structures. People get together that have similar belief structures. Then they form a religion on that. It is the same as defining atheism. Is that an organized religion??? Ok well let's say this then, each different branch of Christianity is indeed it's own organized religion. Be it Catholicism, Protestants, etc, they are all groups that form together on a similar belief and live their lives by it. Having said that, I'd still contend they go back to one main religion in the sense that each one uses the Bible to base their beliefs upon. How they believe may be different, but the source is the same. As for atheism, that isn't religion because......though they may share an organized belief, they do not live their lives based on it. It's just a belief or lack there of in a God. So no it isn't an organized religion. |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love |
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msharmony said: organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything
Mylifetoday just said this: "Because there are very specific beliefs all Christians hold as Truth. If you disagree with one of these truths then you are not a Christian."
THERE YOU HAVE IT! Your answer. Yes "organized religion" expects you to conform or you are not "a Christian." msharmony said: if by organized religion you mean,, mylifetoday Kleisto said: You're still in denial here, mylifetoday is far from the only one who thinks this way. Face it, every denomination thinks their way is the only right way, and all others are simply wrong, with grave punishments for those who don't think like them. If that isn't the definition of expecting conformity, I don't know what is. Catholicism is particularly guilty of this. I was completely cast out from my's dad side of the family when I left their Church a few years ago. Lord knows what they'd think if they knew I rejected all religion entirely now. I lost a friend I had known for a year or two, when my beliefs changed to non religious and I started to speak out against religion. Is this really the fruit of a peaceful group? Somehow I don't think so. All religion does is divide the people and pit them against each other. If you dissolve the religions, you will end the division as well. Im in denial of nothing here. So what if mylifetoday DOES feel that way and isnt alone? I feel differently and I am not alone either. Yet, we are both human beings who have chosen the religion of CHRISTIANITY,,nothing dictates that we will interpret it the same way and nothing dictates that either of us are spokespersons for the WHOLE religion. Msharmony, I have actually been to each and every church in my town. There are seven. I went to the pastor to ask them what they believe about certain things. I was trying to understand why there were seven Christian churches and not just one. Each church has there own separate take on things. If you join their church you are eventually expected to agree with THEM. If you don't, you will simply NOT FIT IN. I'm not going to say that they will kick you out but they will continue to "straiten you out" to their way of thinking. So YES unless you belong to a church of ONE (Yourself) you are expected to "fall in line" with what your church teaches or the pressure is on. If you don't, you simply don't fit in. They may not say it out loud or preach it, but each church believes the the other churches have probably got it wrong. Some of them teach and believe that only they have it right. Some even believe that the other guys are not real Christians and they are not the chosen few who will go to paradise. This is what I have discovered after interviewing and going to each church in my town.... except one church which I would not set foot into. (The crazies who speak in tongues).. and they think I'm a pawn of Satan because I read tarot cards.
what one church believes is quite a different thing from what a 'religion' believes its like comparing household rules, yes different houses expect you to abide by 'their rules' whether a 'house ' of the lord or whether a 'house' on my block that doesnt mean there is a collective conscious on my block of what I must believe,,,, |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, I understand you disagree with me and that's fine, but it doesn't change the reality of what religion does to one's mind regardless of whether or not one realizes it. you confuse the influence of outside pressure on weak minds with the influence of religion on mine,,,,but thats your perogative I'm not confusing it, I'm just saying how it is. From the outside view a lot of what religion teaches simply makes no sense, and cannot be justified. But when you're in it, suddenly you find ways to do so. That right there is the definition of mind control, when you find ways or try to find ways to justify things that are unjustifiable. |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love nothing but criticism equates to an imbalance that I would not consider condusive to love,,, |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, I understand you disagree with me and that's fine, but it doesn't change the reality of what religion does to one's mind regardless of whether or not one realizes it. you confuse the influence of outside pressure on weak minds with the influence of religion on mine,,,,but thats your perogative I'm not confusing it, I'm just saying how it is. From the outside view a lot of what religion teaches simply makes no sense, and cannot be justified. But when you're in it, suddenly you find ways to do so. That right there is the definition of mind control, when you find ways or try to find ways to justify things that are unjustifiable. you are saying how it is TO YOU, and by your own words, its hard to see anything but the perspective you are in while you are in it,,, alot of what religion teaches makes no sense to YOU and 'alot' is a very subjective word considering all there is to learn from 'religion'(religuous books and customs) TO ME, alot of it makes PERFECT sense,,which lends to the notion of CREDIBILITY which causes me to trust the rest of it which has in no way satisfactorily(to me) been DISPROVEN so its not a matter of mind control, because I still made a choice, based upon what made sense to me and what I trusted in lieu of evidence disproving the rest,,, |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love nothing but criticism equates to an imbalance that I would not consider condusive to love,,, why? |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, I understand you disagree with me and that's fine, but it doesn't change the reality of what religion does to one's mind regardless of whether or not one realizes it. you confuse the influence of outside pressure on weak minds with the influence of religion on mine,,,,but thats your perogative I'm not confusing it, I'm just saying how it is. From the outside view a lot of what religion teaches simply makes no sense, and cannot be justified. But when you're in it, suddenly you find ways to do so. That right there is the definition of mind control, when you find ways or try to find ways to justify things that are unjustifiable. you are saying how it is TO YOU, and by your own words, its hard to see anything but the perspective you are in while you are in it,,, alot of what religion teaches makes no sense to YOU and 'alot' is a very subjective word considering all there is to learn from 'religion'(religuous books and customs) TO ME, alot of it makes PERFECT sense,,which lends to the notion of CREDIBILITY which causes me to trust the rest of it which has in no way satisfactorily(to me) been DISPROVEN so its not a matter of mind control, because I still made a choice, based upon what made sense to me and what I trusted in lieu of evidence disproving the rest,,, We're gonna have to agree to disagree, because I don't see it that way at all. |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love nothing but criticism equates to an imbalance that I would not consider condusive to love,,, why? I will reserve this conversation for my four year old,,,lol |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, I understand you disagree with me and that's fine, but it doesn't change the reality of what religion does to one's mind regardless of whether or not one realizes it. you confuse the influence of outside pressure on weak minds with the influence of religion on mine,,,,but thats your perogative I'm not confusing it, I'm just saying how it is. From the outside view a lot of what religion teaches simply makes no sense, and cannot be justified. But when you're in it, suddenly you find ways to do so. That right there is the definition of mind control, when you find ways or try to find ways to justify things that are unjustifiable. you are saying how it is TO YOU, and by your own words, its hard to see anything but the perspective you are in while you are in it,,, alot of what religion teaches makes no sense to YOU and 'alot' is a very subjective word considering all there is to learn from 'religion'(religuous books and customs) TO ME, alot of it makes PERFECT sense,,which lends to the notion of CREDIBILITY which causes me to trust the rest of it which has in no way satisfactorily(to me) been DISPROVEN so its not a matter of mind control, because I still made a choice, based upon what made sense to me and what I trusted in lieu of evidence disproving the rest,,, We're gonna have to agree to disagree, because I don't see it that way at all. we can absolutely agree,, this is an example though of how both sides are equally human in their ability to try and 'force' their feelings upon others for the skeptics, failure to comply equates to a lack of intelligence or a presence of mind control for the believers, failure to comply equates to a diversion from the path of salvation ,,both sides are equally human, equally fallible,equally 'judgmental', and equally 'convinced' their conclusion is the correct or more reasonable one. and all that we can really accomplish is to accept that reality and leave everyone to their own conclusion,,,,, |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love nothing but criticism equates to an imbalance that I would not consider condusive to love,,, why? I will reserve this conversation for my four year old,,,lol jeez MsHarmony stop acting like a four year old and tell me "why"? |
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absence of criticism does not equal LOVE are you saying that even when not one positive thing is ever uttered (typed) about the person one claims to love ...that this is an example of Christian Love lol,,,,are you saying that one and one equals three? what makes you think I said that? no, I said that absence of criticism is not the same as love and I asked does nothing but criticism equate as being an example of Christian Love nothing but criticism equates to an imbalance that I would not consider condusive to love,,, why? I will reserve this conversation for my four year old,,,lol jeez MsHarmony stop acting like a four year old and tell me "why"? nice try
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what one church believes is quite a different thing from what a 'religion' believes
Then what church embodies the "religion" if what one church believes is "quite a different thing" from what a "relgion" believes. News flash: "religions" are institutions, they are not entities that "believe" things. They are made up of individuals who believe things. The individuals make up the church. So what does 'religion' believe? (Morningsong claims she knows) But what church holds the correct and righteous doctrine of Christianity? its like comparing household rules, yes different houses expect you to abide by 'their rules' whether a 'house ' of the lord or whether a 'house' on my block that doesnt mean there is a collective conscious on my block of what I must believe,,,, "God's Law" is supposed to be uniform, not different in every house. What is called a 'sin' in one church is not a 'sin' in another. So where is this perfect church that embodies the perfect law of God and Christianity? Every Church thinks they are the one. |
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