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I was trying to say that Christianity in and of itself is defined by a few specific points of belief. It is not an organized religion. It is a specific set of belief everyone that calls themselves Christian holds true. It cannot be an organized religion or there would only be on Chritian religion not the dozen that exist today. I call BS on that. If there's a certain group of people who believe in one particular way, that is an organized religion. Whether others have there own belief systems apart from yours really doesn't matter. |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... |
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Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large)
what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear' well you might not recall Jesus implying that "sinners" disappear but do you recall Jesus saiding to turn the other cheek...but let's face it...he won't be doing that in the battle at Armageddon as he show his Christian Love by slicing and dicing those pesty sinners Jesus will killed sinners in this battle under the concept of Christian love in which he is require to love all as he kills them.. which is no different than 'mylifetoday' comment on wishing that all the muslims disappear..... so is Jesus not turning the other cheek an example of him abusing his Christian teachings hmm,, is my driving a car an example of me abusing my teachings of my children to not even turn the KEY of a car.....lol If only I had ENOUGH interest, ,back and forths can go all night,,, 
I suppose if I ever have an existence where I live a perfect life and die for the sins of others, where I am the word or the way, I might earn the PRIVILEGE/RESPONSIBILITY of such severe judgment but until that day, I am like a child and what applies to children does not always apply to adults,,,, oh my god ...oops....er... I meant oh no not your off the mark analogies again ...come on MsHarmony...you allowing your underage children to go James Dean and hot rodding in your car is not the same as Jesus going Clint Eastwood make my day on sinners so can we stick to the religious aspect of the current topic of debate instead of you resorting to devious ways of going off the debate so again is Jesus killing those that he claim that he love in the battle at Armegeddon an example of Christian Required Love its an example of Gods judgment,,,,I will leave the rest to interpretation,,, so Jesus killing under the banner of Christian Love according to you is an example of God's judgement....well I guess that answers the question whether Jesus had "Free Will" or not ..appears all he ever was "In The Beginning" was God's Love puppet thats your interpretation,, peace be with ya,,, wow ...isn't "Peace be with you" what Muslims say ..you better watch out because "mylifetoday" may wish that you disappear... but anyway it's not my interpetation since you were the one that claim that Jesus will kill instead of turning the other cheek was an example of God's judgement ....don't Jesus have the "Free Will" not to Kill or even show up at the battle of Armageddon |
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I was trying to say that Christianity in and of itself is defined by a few specific points of belief. It is not an organized religion. It is a specific set of belief everyone that calls themselves Christian holds true. It cannot be an organized religion or there would only be on Chritian religion not the dozen that exist today. I call BS on that. If there's a certain group of people who believe in one particular way, that is an organized religion. Whether others have there own belief systems apart from yours really doesn't matter. Alright, to put it more specifically as you don't appear to want to understand what I'm saying: there is a definition of Christianity. Just as there is for all belief structures. People get together that have similar belief structures. Then they form a religion on that. It is the same as defining atheism. Is that an organized religion??? |
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Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large)
what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love or not,,,even using the parts I 'left out', the analogy remains valid and if that is your point, it wasnt clear in this statement 'is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love' if the point is people can personally claim love under ANY umbrella, there is no argument except in this case since "mylifetoday" is a Christian and required to love even his enemies... therefore his muslim hatred is being sheltered under a "Christian Love" Umbrella ..unless of course you wish to claim that a "True Christian" wouldn't make such comments mylifetoday is a christian who is willfully or unintentionally abusing his christian duties, just as the doctor in the case of malpractice that I mentioned above that doctors personal oversight doesnt shed a bad light on medicine and mylifes oversight of brotherly love sheds no bad light on Christianity those individual actions and choices are a reflexion of the imperfect PERSON who decided upon them,,, since there are no guidelines as to when Christian Love becomes abuse then then why are claiming that "mylifetoday' is abusing his Christians duties...all he is required to do is claim that he love all muslims even through he wish they all just disappeared so there can be peace lol,, well, I think Christ actually said it a different way Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?" "Jesus said to him, You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, and with all your mind and with all your soul… and You shall love your neighbor as yourself." (Jesus Christ, Matthew 22:36-40) I dont recall Jesus implying that the answer to anything was that sinners 'disappear' ,,,,we are more than any one belief, thought or action,, wanting any of those small parts to change is a total different extreme than wishing harm to a person, no less wishing they will 'disappear' well you might not recall Jesus implying that "sinners" disappear but do you recall Jesus saiding to turn the other cheek...but let's face it...he won't be doing that in the battle at Armageddon as he show his Christian Love by slicing and dicing those pesty sinners Jesus will killed sinners in this battle under the concept of Christian love in which he is require to love all as he kills them.. which is no different than 'mylifetoday' comment on wishing that all the muslims disappear..... so is Jesus not turning the other cheek an example of him abusing his Christian teachings hmm,, is my driving a car an example of me abusing my teachings of my children to not even turn the KEY of a car.....lol If only I had ENOUGH interest, ,back and forths can go all night,,,
I suppose if I ever have an existence where I live a perfect life and die for the sins of others, where I am the word or the way, I might earn the PRIVILEGE/RESPONSIBILITY of such severe judgment but until that day, I am like a child and what applies to children does not always apply to adults,,,, oh my god ...oops....er... I meant oh no not your off the mark analogies again ...come on MsHarmony...you allowing your underage children to go James Dean and hot rodding in your car is not the same as Jesus going Clint Eastwood make my day on sinners so can we stick to the religious aspect of the current topic of debate instead of you resorting to devious ways of going off the debate so again is Jesus killing those that he claim that he love in the battle at Armegeddon an example of Christian Required Love its an example of Gods judgment,,,,I will leave the rest to interpretation,,, so Jesus killing under the banner of Christian Love according to you is an example of God's judgement....well I guess that answers the question whether Jesus had "Free Will" or not ..appears all he ever was "In The Beginning" was God's Love puppet thats your interpretation,, peace be with ya,,, wow ...isn't "Peace be with you" what Muslims say ..you better watch out because "mylifetoday" may wish that you disappear... but anyway it's not my interpetation since you were the one that claim that Jesus will kill instead of turning the other cheek was an example of God's judgement ....don't Jesus have the "Free Will" not to Kill or even show up at the battle of Armageddon Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, |
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Don't the priests or bishops whip themselves sometimes to repent?? I so often see this in medieval movies. Do they still do this today funches? If so there is your answer to that. They do enjoy such treatment, but they do it to repent or be cleaned off sins they have done. Kind of a punishment onto themselves believing god is punishing them for their wrong doings. priests whipping is one example how Christians use their religion as a way to abuse themselves and claim it to be Love...that's what I meant about how Christian Love provides no distintion or guidelines as to when the Love is abuse and because it provide no guidelines is how Christians use their religion to abuse and threaten others not of their faith and call it Love For Example: this debate started because "mylifetoday" posted that there would only be peace if there were no muslims ...is that comment a sign of Christians Love or is it a sign of Christian Hate flown under the flag of Love hmmm,,philosophy is interesting,,,, if the doctor commits malpractice,,,is that a sign of a doctors 'hypocrtic oath' or is a sign of doctors incompetence disguised as medicine? or is it the sign of someone who has been deemed a doctor and either willfully or accidentally fallen short of their obligations? MsHarmony...as usual your analogies generally leave key points out of the equation.... for example....the doctor saying there would be no malpractice if there were no patients just as "mylifetoday" said that they can be no peace unless there were no muslims great,, use that example then if the doctor says there will be no malpractice without patients, is that a comment on medicine or 'doctors' , or is it a comment on how even medicine can be misused by some doctors? or is it just an example of one DOCTOR who willfully or accidentally was mistaken in his CHOICE? once again MsHarmony your analogies have left another key part out of the equation...for example...if the doctor mention that without patients there would be no malpractice...then why are you leaving the patients out of your equations ,,,,,things that make you go hmmmmm? (but which in no way condemn medicine or religion at large)
what should be going hummmmmm is the fact that you've already commented on "mylifetoday" posts are being Muslim Hatred ....and I was just trying to make the point that his muslim hatred is flown under the flag of being Christian Love I don't know how many times I have to say this... I don't hate Muslims. I see the truth of their religion - note: NOT beliefs as everyone's personal belief is different. The truth I see is that Muhammad told his followers to convert at the tip of a sword and he lead an army that did just that. Convert or we kill you... That isn't hate. That is pointing out what their religion says. Just as you think you are pointing out the failures in Christianity... Do you hate Christians???? If you can honestly say no, then you understand how I feel about Muslims... the issue is, muslims are HUMANS first, and we can no more determine what the SPECIFIC beliefs of over a billion different individuals will be than we can any group of a billion humans,, to advocate for the disappearance of such a large number of individuals doesnt SEEM exactly like brotherly love I don't advocate the disappearance of them. I advocate the end of their religion. That can happen without them going anywhere. Similar to Funches trying to dissuade all from Christianity. If I am guilty of the things Funches says - He is guilty of the same things towards Christians. "mylifetoday" the first rule of society is to consider that all it's citizens are insane and in need of protection from each other...in other words Christianity at this point in time is cheaper than paying for a pyschiatrist ... the point I was trying to make is that you use your religion to spread your hatred for Muslim under the disguise of Christian Love Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. |
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Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. "mylifetoday" ...perhaps you should first find any post where I stated that I hate Christians or Christianity or that there can only be peace if there were no Christians.......I make it a point to stick by "everything" I post and do not try to duck or dodge or make excuses as to find a way to weasal out of what I posted you are the one that made a statement such as theses....if you do not like anyone accusing you of making them...then simply don't make them ...all I was saying that under "The Christian Love Law" you have the right to make such statements of hate and under Christian love Law that will be considered to be statments of Love |
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good luck agreeing on which beliefs qualify as 'religion' It doesn't matter. Any organized religion that has a church. Get rid of all of them. Let people have their own beliefs. Stop trying to make them conform to a church doctrine. Beliefs are not religions. so would that involve REFUSING the right of people to organize BASED upon their beliefs? what in having an organization implies that people arent being able to have their own beliefs? I'm making a point. I'm just saying that if mylifetoday wants to get rid of the Muslim religion, then its only fair that we get rid of Christianity too. People already have "their own beliefs." But when you have an organized religion, or denomination, you are expected to CONFORM TO THE NORM. Morningsong expects Cowboy to conform to her beliefs about Christianity or she tells him if he can't then he should stop calling himself a Christian. Why not let him believe what he wants? Why not let him call it anything that he wants? That's what I mean about organized religion. They expect conformity of beliefs. organized religion hasnt the conscious to 'expect' anything some individuals EXPECT you to agree with what they believe, whatever that is,,,,and yet we still all have the CHOICE to do it or not based upon our personal experiences,, Here's the problem with that. You can't truly have an honest choice, IF the choice you make to believe in something or not to believe in something dictates whether or not you are cast out from a particular group of people. There's a term for that, and I believe it'd be called stacking the deck. I guess that depends upon the definition of choice,, I was taught if there are OPTIONS(however undesirable) There is a choice. And there are always options to EVERY thing(Besides being born). Yes we do have options, but my point is, the pressure to conform to certain options is higher here than it ought to be. also a matter of perspective I think there is societal pressure towards alot of things that I dont agree with, but thats a part of life that cant be erased when you have LARGE numbers of people trying to live together in a society Either way, we would do far better to respect everyone's choices to make of their lives what they will, than to try and force people into a box they are not comfortable with. This is what religion tends to do. not to be a broken record, but thats one perspective thats not what it has done to me,.... The reason for that is, you don't realize you have been put into it. It's much easier to see when you're not a part of it than when you are. respectfully speaking, thats awful presumptious,,, my realization and logic are quite in tact, thanx, I choose for myself religion was not able to 'force' me into anything anymore than an internet thread can 'force' me out,,, |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead MsHarmony....according to the bible...do jesus have the "Free Will" independent to that of God |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead MsHarmony....according to the bible...do jesus have the "Free Will" independent to that of God in the beginning, was the word, and the word was WITH god and the word WAS god Id go to God for that answer, its not a question that interests me,,, |
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Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. "mylifetoday" ...perhaps you should first find any post where I stated that I hate Christians or Christianity or that there can only be peace if there were no Christians.......I make it a point to stick by "everything" I post and do not try to duck or dodge or make excuses as to find a way to weasal out of what I posted you are the one that made a statement such as theses....if you do not like anyone accusing you of making them...then simply don't make them ...all I was saying that under "The Christian Love Law" you have the right to make such statements of hate and under Christian love Law that will be considered to be statments of Love The statements I make regarding the Muslim religion are statements of fact. They have nothing to do with how I feel. What does it say about you when your interpretation of the facts I present is that I must hate them? If you really stopped to think about it, that means if you would have to accept the facts as true, then you are saying that you would hate them. You are not arguing the facts, you are arguing that I don't have a right to make factual statements that would lead someone to be afraid. That is all that you are doing when you continually say that I hate them. The only way I can change that perception of yours is to deny the facts of Muhammad's life. I find it truly bizarre. The same people that tear down Christians as a hateful group will defend Muslims as peace loving despite the blatant evidence to the contrary in the Middle East. There are always excuses given to them saying either the Jews or the Christians have provoked them. They had no choice. |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead MsHarmony....according to the bible...do jesus have the "Free Will" independent to that of God in the beginning, was the word, and the word was WITH god and the word WAS god I searched but I can't find that passage anywhere in Genesis...perhaps it's a misprint Id go to God for that answer, I was hopeful that perhaps you actually read the bible and had the answer its not a question that interests me,,, I guess whether or not Jesus having the "Free Will" to think for himself wouldn't interest you |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead MsHarmony....according to the bible...do jesus have the "Free Will" independent to that of God in the beginning, was the word, and the word was WITH god and the word WAS god I searched but I can't find that passage anywhere in Genesis...perhaps it's a misprint Id go to God for that answer, I was hopeful that perhaps you actually read the bible and had the answer its not a question that interests me,,, I guess whether or not Jesus having the "Free Will" to think for himself wouldn't interest you the verse is not in Genesis, but is in the BIBLE, which I thought was the source you asked me to reference,,, I have read the bible, but dont profess to be a scholar who can adequately explain every verse to any person who asks, regarding of their learning style,,, and you are correct, I have no doubt jesus can think for himself, but whether he has 'free will' (as defined by many men in many ways), I have no interest in,,, |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead MsHarmony....according to the bible...do jesus have the "Free Will" independent to that of God in the beginning, was the word, and the word was WITH god and the word WAS god I searched but I can't find that passage anywhere in Genesis...perhaps it's a misprint Id go to God for that answer, I was hopeful that perhaps you actually read the bible and had the answer its not a question that interests me,,, I guess whether or not Jesus having the "Free Will" to think for himself wouldn't interest you Jesus had Free Will. He had to. Otherwise there would be no point in the Devil trying to tempt Him. And His sacrifice would be meaningless if He had no choice. He said, no greater love has a man than he that lays down his own life for his fellow man. If He didn't have Free Will, that statement is nonsense. |
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Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. "mylifetoday" ...perhaps you should first find any post where I stated that I hate Christians or Christianity or that there can only be peace if there were no Christians.......I make it a point to stick by "everything" I post and do not try to duck or dodge or make excuses as to find a way to weasal out of what I posted you are the one that made a statement such as theses....if you do not like anyone accusing you of making them...then simply don't make them ...all I was saying that under "The Christian Love Law" you have the right to make such statements of hate and under Christian love Law that will be considered to be statments of Love The statements I make regarding the Muslim religion are statements of fact. They have nothing to do with how I feel. What does it say about you when your interpretation of the facts I present is that I must hate them? If you really stopped to think about it, that means if you would have to accept the facts as true, then you are saying that you would hate them. You are not arguing the facts, you are arguing that I don't have a right to make factual statements that would lead someone to be afraid. That is all that you are doing when you continually say that I hate them. The only way I can change that perception of yours is to deny the facts of Muhammad's life. I find it truly bizarre. The same people that tear down Christians as a hateful group will defend Muslims as peace loving despite the blatant evidence to the contrary in the Middle East. There are always excuses given to them saying either the Jews or the Christians have provoked them. They had no choice. again "mylifetoday'..it's about Christian Love....you are required by your religion to love muslims.... but I must say that after reading your posts it just don't seem like you do ...so I have to ask the question .....yes or no...do you Love all muslims? |
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Well, ANY point you try to make that include any allegation that I hate Muslims is based on a false premise because I don't hate them. Do you hate Christians? If you right now can answer that publicly and say yes you do hate Christians, then I will allow you to make these kinda of statements. If you will not do that, please stop spreading false rumors about me. I really don't like being told I hate a whole group of people based on one criteria. That is prejudice in the extreme. I have known Muslims in my life and have had Muslim friends. Please stop this. I am really tired of having to correct it. "mylifetoday" ...perhaps you should first find any post where I stated that I hate Christians or Christianity or that there can only be peace if there were no Christians.......I make it a point to stick by "everything" I post and do not try to duck or dodge or make excuses as to find a way to weasal out of what I posted you are the one that made a statement such as theses....if you do not like anyone accusing you of making them...then simply don't make them ...all I was saying that under "The Christian Love Law" you have the right to make such statements of hate and under Christian love Law that will be considered to be statments of Love The statements I make regarding the Muslim religion are statements of fact. They have nothing to do with how I feel. What does it say about you when your interpretation of the facts I present is that I must hate them? If you really stopped to think about it, that means if you would have to accept the facts as true, then you are saying that you would hate them. You are not arguing the facts, you are arguing that I don't have a right to make factual statements that would lead someone to be afraid. That is all that you are doing when you continually say that I hate them. The only way I can change that perception of yours is to deny the facts of Muhammad's life. I find it truly bizarre. The same people that tear down Christians as a hateful group will defend Muslims as peace loving despite the blatant evidence to the contrary in the Middle East. There are always excuses given to them saying either the Jews or the Christians have provoked them. They had no choice. again "mylifetoday'..it's about Christian Love....you are required by your religion to love muslims.... but I must say that after reading your posts it just don't seem like you do ...so I have to ask the question .....yes or no...do you Love all muslims? Yes I do. Each person who is Muslim is worthy of being loved. That doesnt change the facts of Muhammad's life. What each Muslim does with their faith is their own choice, just as with Christians. The only difference being - Muhammad's teachings were pretty much the opposite of Jesus when it came to taking up arms. |
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Im not sure if Jesus will is comparable to human will, being that he has been WITH God since the beginning serving HIS will, unlike humans who kind of serve our own,,,by and large,,, MsHarmony...are you saying that Jesus has no "Free Will" I Didnt see that in my post anywhere I said, Im not sure if jesus will is comparible to HUMAN will I believe its synonymous with GODS will instead MsHarmony....according to the bible...do jesus have the "Free Will" independent to that of God in the beginning, was the word, and the word was WITH god and the word WAS god I searched but I can't find that passage anywhere in Genesis...perhaps it's a misprint Id go to God for that answer, I was hopeful that perhaps you actually read the bible and had the answer its not a question that interests me,,, I guess whether or not Jesus having the "Free Will" to think for himself wouldn't interest you the verse is not in Genesis, but is in the BIBLE, which I thought was the source you asked me to reference,,, I have read the bible, but dont profess to be a scholar who can adequately explain every verse to any person who asks, regarding of their learning style,,, and you are correct, I have no doubt jesus can think for himself, but whether he has 'free will' (as defined by many men in many ways), I have no interest in,,, the interest wasn't yours it was mines...I was hopeful that for once I could get a straight answer from you but if you are taboo-ed or ashame to answer that question then I understand .. perhaps someone other than yourself can take a shot at it......if so...then the question pertains to whether Jesus have the Free Will not to kill those he claim to love at the battle of Armageddon or is he just a puppet of God and have no other choice but to kill those he claim to love ... but I guess that's just one of those pesty questions that believers are not allowed to answer |
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