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WTF - "mylifetoday"...since you are a christian ... does your quote "WTF" means What The Flock? I never claimed and never will claim to be a perfect Christian...  according to this thread....even Jesus can't make that claim ...but then again he wasn't a Christian anyway Uhhh --- say what??? Where in the world did you get that idea? where in the bible does Jesus states that he is a Christian? He doesn't. But you implied He wasn't perfect as well... |
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Hmmm, ok I disagree with that. I would expect my son to defend his home from all who would dare to violate it. Call the police after he secures it (assuming he can). "mylifetoday"...so you expect your son to go into your house and fight people that may have guns instead of calling the police... ok let me guess...you took out an a hefty insurrance policy on him that covers suicide and stupidity I was thinking more along the lines that he was at home when they try to break in. Fight or flight? Judgment call that I trust he would make the best one. If they were already in there and he noticed it before he went inside, yeah, do what you suggest. But that is not the case in the story. Jesus was inside when He saw them. No one was armed. That would be sacrilegious. That is not an issue then... Why would anyone run away and call the police on a person that is trespassing but clearly unarmed rather than confronting them? oh..so if your son walked into a home invasion and didn't see any weapons because they were probably concealed...then it's ok for him to fight the intruders I BELIEVE THE CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE LET THEM WALK INTO A HOME AND GET BLOWN AWAY DON'T LET THEM CALL THE POLICE FOR ANY HELP GET THEM A BULLETPROOF VEST TO MAKE IT EASIER LET THE CHILDREN LAUGH AND REMIND YOU HOW STUPID THEY USE TO BE Geeze!!! You keep trying to put words in my mouth. Nope, I was talking about Jesus only in that situation there was NO doubt about it. No one would be armed. That doesn't apply to my son. I said earlier that if he is at home when they break in, it is a fight or flight situation and I trust he would pick the right one. If he is outside and notices them I would expect him to call the police. Do you read what I write???  If he stumbles into a home invasion as you are now implying, he probably won't have a choice because he is already face-to-face. Whether or not they have a weapon then is almost irrelevant. Don't forget, they wouldn't know what he has stashed somewhere in the house as well. They would be wondering the same thing he is. Is he armed or can he be quickly? After all, it's his home not theirs. He knows everything about it. They know what they have seen in the short time they have been there. Why do you keep insisting on killing off my son?  "mylifetoday" you and Cowboy keep playing "Dr. Who Time Lord" and leaping from the time of the money changers back to this time....first you guys turn the debate into home invasions....and then when I answer the question you leap back to the time of the money changers so can we just stick to the time of the money changers? ... You have difficulty in following a simple analogy??? Ok, money changers then. But, I gotta go. This was fun. Hope we can do this again later... 
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WTF - "mylifetoday"...since you are a christian ... does your quote "WTF" means What The Flock? I never claimed and never will claim to be a perfect Christian... according to this thread....even Jesus can't make that claim ...but then again he wasn't a Christian anyway Uhhh --- say what??? Where in the world did you get that idea? where in the bible does Jesus states that he is a Christian? He doesn't. But you implied He wasn't perfect as well... Jesus resorting to violence in the temple is clearly not a sign of perfection |
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Hmmm, ok I disagree with that. I would expect my son to defend his home from all who would dare to violate it. Call the police after he secures it (assuming he can). "mylifetoday"...so you expect your son to go into your house and fight people that may have guns instead of calling the police... ok let me guess...you took out an a hefty insurrance policy on him that covers suicide and stupidity I was thinking more along the lines that he was at home when they try to break in. Fight or flight? Judgment call that I trust he would make the best one. If they were already in there and he noticed it before he went inside, yeah, do what you suggest. But that is not the case in the story. Jesus was inside when He saw them. No one was armed. That would be sacrilegious. That is not an issue then... Why would anyone run away and call the police on a person that is trespassing but clearly unarmed rather than confronting them? oh..so if your son walked into a home invasion and didn't see any weapons because they were probably concealed...then it's ok for him to fight the intruders I BELIEVE THE CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE LET THEM WALK INTO A HOME AND GET BLOWN AWAY DON'T LET THEM CALL THE POLICE FOR ANY HELP GET THEM A BULLETPROOF VEST TO MAKE IT EASIER LET THE CHILDREN LAUGH AND REMIND YOU HOW STUPID THEY USE TO BE Geeze!!! You keep trying to put words in my mouth. Nope, I was talking about Jesus only in that situation there was NO doubt about it. No one would be armed. That doesn't apply to my son. I said earlier that if he is at home when they break in, it is a fight or flight situation and I trust he would pick the right one. If he is outside and notices them I would expect him to call the police. Do you read what I write??? If he stumbles into a home invasion as you are now implying, he probably won't have a choice because he is already face-to-face. Whether or not they have a weapon then is almost irrelevant. Don't forget, they wouldn't know what he has stashed somewhere in the house as well. They would be wondering the same thing he is. Is he armed or can he be quickly? After all, it's his home not theirs. He knows everything about it. They know what they have seen in the short time they have been there. Why do you keep insisting on killing off my son? "mylifetoday" you and Cowboy keep playing "Dr. Who Time Lord" and leaping from the time of the money changers back to this time....first you guys turn the debate into home invasions....and then when I answer the question you leap back to the time of the money changers so can we just stick to the time of the money changers? ... You have difficulty in following a simple analogy??? Ok, money changers then. But, I gotta go. This was fun. Hope we can do this again later... in your analogies you keep trying to get your son killed |
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WTF - "mylifetoday"...since you are a christian ... does your quote "WTF" means What The Flock? I never claimed and never will claim to be a perfect Christian... according to this thread....even Jesus can't make that claim ...but then again he wasn't a Christian anyway Uhhh --- say what??? Where in the world did you get that idea? where in the bible does Jesus states that he is a Christian? He doesn't. But you implied He wasn't perfect as well... Jesus resorting to violence in the temple is clearly not a sign of perfection Um, he didn't strike anyone... He tossed there unwanted belongings out in the street and demanded they leave. don't see how that is violent or disproves His Perfection. They were in the wrong and He called them on it. They KNEW they shouldn't be doing what they were doing. He took a parent's corrective action with them. |
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Hmmm, ok I disagree with that. I would expect my son to defend his home from all who would dare to violate it. Call the police after he secures it (assuming he can). "mylifetoday"...so you expect your son to go into your house and fight people that may have guns instead of calling the police... ok let me guess...you took out an a hefty insurrance policy on him that covers suicide and stupidity I was thinking more along the lines that he was at home when they try to break in. Fight or flight? Judgment call that I trust he would make the best one. If they were already in there and he noticed it before he went inside, yeah, do what you suggest. But that is not the case in the story. Jesus was inside when He saw them. No one was armed. That would be sacrilegious. That is not an issue then... Why would anyone run away and call the police on a person that is trespassing but clearly unarmed rather than confronting them? oh..so if your son walked into a home invasion and didn't see any weapons because they were probably concealed...then it's ok for him to fight the intruders I BELIEVE THE CHILDREN ARE THE FUTURE LET THEM WALK INTO A HOME AND GET BLOWN AWAY DON'T LET THEM CALL THE POLICE FOR ANY HELP GET THEM A BULLETPROOF VEST TO MAKE IT EASIER LET THE CHILDREN LAUGH AND REMIND YOU HOW STUPID THEY USE TO BE Geeze!!! You keep trying to put words in my mouth. Nope, I was talking about Jesus only in that situation there was NO doubt about it. No one would be armed. That doesn't apply to my son. I said earlier that if he is at home when they break in, it is a fight or flight situation and I trust he would pick the right one. If he is outside and notices them I would expect him to call the police. Do you read what I write??? If he stumbles into a home invasion as you are now implying, he probably won't have a choice because he is already face-to-face. Whether or not they have a weapon then is almost irrelevant. Don't forget, they wouldn't know what he has stashed somewhere in the house as well. They would be wondering the same thing he is. Is he armed or can he be quickly? After all, it's his home not theirs. He knows everything about it. They know what they have seen in the short time they have been there. Why do you keep insisting on killing off my son? "mylifetoday" you and Cowboy keep playing "Dr. Who Time Lord" and leaping from the time of the money changers back to this time....first you guys turn the debate into home invasions....and then when I answer the question you leap back to the time of the money changers so can we just stick to the time of the money changers? ... You have difficulty in following a simple analogy??? Ok, money changers then. But, I gotta go. This was fun. Hope we can do this again later... in your analogies you keep trying to get your son killed No I don't, you keep changing the scenario that puts him in danger. If you look back, I have to add a piece of information to each post because you added a new scenario. The last being he walks in and ends up surprising them. That was not mentioned in any of the other posts. Then you take an answer from a previous post and apply it to the new situation and I have to correct your wrong assumption. |
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Um, he didn't strike anyone... He tossed there unwanted belongings out in the street and demanded they leave. don't see how that is violent or disproves His Perfection. They were in the wrong and He called them on it. They KNEW they shouldn't be doing what they were doing. He took a parent's corrective action with them. violence is intentionly striking out against a person place or pew ..isn't this what Jesus did..... also the temple was not the property of Jesus he only taught there.. which means that Jesus took it upon himself to destroy property that was not his to destroy ....this guy was breaking all kinds of laws |
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No I don't, you keep changing the scenario that puts him in danger. If you look back, I have to add a piece of information to each post because you added a new scenario. The last being he walks in and ends up surprising them. That was not mentioned in any of the other posts. Then you take an answer from a previous post and apply it to the new situation and I have to correct your wrong assumption. "mylifetoday"....the debate was about the money changers in the biblical but you and Cowboy changed it to home invasion in the time period of today... the money changers did not invade the temple, the money changers were regularly allowed in the temple, this was one of the ways the Pharisees were bringing in money ....this was why your analogy about home invasion were off the mark |
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Um, he didn't strike anyone... He tossed there unwanted belongings out in the street and demanded they leave. don't see how that is violent or disproves His Perfection. They were in the wrong and He called them on it. They KNEW they shouldn't be doing what they were doing. He took a parent's corrective action with them. violence is intentionly striking out against a person place or pew ..isn't this what Jesus did..... also the temple was not the property of Jesus he only taught there.. which means that Jesus took it upon himself to destroy property that was not his to destroy ....this guy was breaking all kinds of laws No - He didn't "strike out" at anything by your definition. Once again - HE DIDN'T DAMAGE THE TEMPLE!!!!! Most likely he didn't damage the property of the money changers either. Tossing their property out the door does not necessarily = damage. And knowing the type of property they would have had - highly doubt anything was damaged other than a few egos... |
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No I don't, you keep changing the scenario that puts him in danger. If you look back, I have to add a piece of information to each post because you added a new scenario. The last being he walks in and ends up surprising them. That was not mentioned in any of the other posts. Then you take an answer from a previous post and apply it to the new situation and I have to correct your wrong assumption. "mylifetoday"....the debate was about the money changers in the biblical but you and Cowboy changed it to home invasion in the time period of today... the money changers did not invade the temple, the money changers were regularly allowed in the temple, this was one of the ways the Pharisees were bringing in money ....this was why your analogy about home invasion were off the mark No it is not. The leadership of the Temple decided this was ok and appropriate. Obviously the true owner of the building disagreed with their assessment. Therefore, the analogy is correct. Neither God nor Jesus invited them into Their House. I guess the better analogy would be for the owner of the home to return from vacation to find the people entrusted to watch over their home allowed these people in. Similar but slightly different. And before you ask - Yes, Jesus regularly chastised the people entrusted to watch over His Father's House. You know, you brought up another issue that Jesus would have had a problem with. If the Pharisees were taking money from the money changers that would only compound the displeasure of the situation. Essentially they would be renting out space reserved for God for their own personal gain. I know, you are now going to question why He didn't go after the Pharisees and leave the money changers alone. A couple reasons. He wasn't going to wait for a debate to be settled before fixing something that was disrespectful to God. He would need to trust the pharisees would actually agree and carry out His desire to have them removed. Remember the pharisees were constantly questioning whether or not Jesus was following the law appropriately. They are the ones that eventually had him crucified. |
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Cowboy wrote: Christianity is about loving and praising God through Jesus Christ. A Christian does not hate anyone even in lines of your example. If a Christian hates someone, in all reality they aren't "Christ"ian. Christian's root is Christ. Christ has told us not to hate but to love one another regardless of anything. Has even told us to love our "enemies". So again someone could NEVER be a "Christ"ian if they proclaim to hate someone and or even act as if they do. Well Gandhi is probably right. Most Christians are quite unlike Jesus. I don't doubt that at all. Anyone who implies that someone else is "rejecting God" after that person has stated clearly that they believe in God and do indeed worship God in their own way, is indeed doing something quite hateful Cowboy. If you told someone that you love God, and they called you a liar, wouldn't you feel that they are being hateful toward you? They are certainly spitting in your face and calling you a liar. That's a pretty hateful thing to do I think. Yet this is what "Christians" do to people continually. In the event that Jess just described, did anyone even bother to ASK those children if they already believed in God in their own way? If that question wasn't asked and the answers of the children RESPECTED, then those so-called "Christians" were indeed doing something extremely hateful! They were totally disrespecting the children and ASSUMING things about the children that they cannot possibly even know. In fact, DO YOU, ever ask anyone if they believe in God? And if they say yes, do you continue with your Christian proselytizing? Or do you respect their reply? If you refuse to give them respect for their beliefs and views then you are being hateful toward them. Especially if you're going to constantly badger them with YOUR BELIEFS like as if they must accept your views, whilst you have totally spit in their face concerning their views. That's hate buddy. Pure and simple hate. If you told someone that you love God, and they called you a liar, wouldn't you feel that they are being hateful toward you? They are certainly spitting in your face and calling you a liar. That's a pretty hateful thing to do I think. No I wouldn't feel they are being "hateful" toward me. They would be foolish, they would be childish, but they would not be "hateful". It would only turn to being hateful if they didn't associate with me just because of that or if they treated me in a less respectful of a way just because of that. And if you've had Christians do this to you in the past, I sincerely apologize on their behalf. For Jesus has NEVER told us to be this way. We are to treat EVERYONE with love and care regardless if they believe or not believe. What these people have done actually goes quite against what Jesus has told us to do. Jesus has told us to witness to the world. Someone treating another differently and or in a foul way just because they don't believe is making a bad witness for again Jesus did NOT tell us to be this way. What I see being said about deception is.. That if someone claims to be chr-stian then those who call themselves chr-stian will go to bat against anyone who tries to show that they do not act like it. even when it is quite obvious. I agree they will do this as I have seen on here. and if you go to another type religion.. then the people in charge will give sermons on people who have entered what he may deem a cult and why chr-stians need to stay away from them They do not come out and say the persons name.. they do it in a way that people will get to thinking do I know anyone like this and of course they do. Thats leading a flock with deceptive practices that the flock thinks in biblical. they got thier point across like telling little jonny that thiers a boogie man in the back yard. He starts to believe thier really is when thier never was. I have seen this.. I have had friends tell me to go to thier ch-rch that thier minister will listen and answer me. They never wanted to answer me they made sure they believed I was a Sheep in wolves clothing when all I did was ask a leginamate question. Why do we go to chu-rch on sunday when Yahshua went on Saturday the 7th day of the week? They hate this question. They also know the real name of the scriptures they use is Yahweh. Do you know how many sermons are preached all the time about people they deem the Holy Name Movement cult? All the time. thats deception brought on to people who are taught never question the Minister.. Your real authority.. Not Yahshua.. thats what they claim but try and do as Yahshua did. and see what happens> Thiers a great book by Charles Shelton that is based on a true story in the late 1800's.. it is so good. they messed up the patton so no group or person has made a dime off this book and you know what? "in his steps" read it.. Its the 2nd all time seller in all of time. Know what the # 1 best seller is? Blessings..Miles Why do we go to chu-rch on sunday when Yahshua went on Saturday the 7th day of the week? Very good question. What day one celebrates as the Sabath doesn't matter a WHOLE lot though. God made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, blessing it. And instructed us to do the same. We weren't instructed to celebrate, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, or any other particular day as the Sabath. We are to again, work six and rest on the seventh setting a day aside to praise and worship God. "Technically" Saturday is the 7th day of the week yes. But culture wise Sunday is. For instance, kids go to school Mon - Fri and Sat and Sun are the weekEND. So with that, Sunday would be the last day of the week. Personally I don't feel it really matters a whole lot. One could celebrate their Sabath on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or any other day for that matter. BUT, celebrating the Sabath on a usual day makes it much easier to be able to congregate with others. And is where celebrating it on Saturday or Sunday came into play. But again, highly doubt it matters a major amount. Just as long as we keep atleast ONE day to give totally to the lord and not worry about our own selves eg., no purches, ect. Just a day of worship. then culturally baptism is not needed.. going to worship is not needed. no nothing is needed because Yahshua did all those things so his example is meaningless. why follow him anyway.. he did what he did because to be fair to all of mankind would to have different rules for different people/.. like the 4th commandment of the sabbath does not mean the 7th day it means any day. do not honor your father and mother because they probally were wrong anyway.. they never tried to set an example.. even if they did it means nothing to you. do not steal is only if you get caught. sleeping around is ok because socially in our cultur the more you get shows you are good at it. having several women at t5he same time is ok because our laws say its ok.. homosexuality is ok because its ok now. everything is ok because the ways of the world dictate what we are to do not the Bible.. I agree totally Cowboy.. we don't need rules.. everyone should do what is right in thier own eyes.. Its prophecy right.. shalom..Miles |
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I am curious how we know what the 'seventh' day was,,,,,being that we named the days AFTER God created them and seven is a measure of placement,,,
I always thought the biblical example of sabbath was in the number of days worked, that six on and one off principle in exodus "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you," (Exodus 20:8-10, NASB) I dont know why the ritual of a SPECIFIC day became so significant, or when |
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Cowboy wrote: Christianity is about loving and praising God through Jesus Christ. A Christian does not hate anyone even in lines of your example. If a Christian hates someone, in all reality they aren't "Christ"ian. Christian's root is Christ. Christ has told us not to hate but to love one another regardless of anything. Has even told us to love our "enemies". So again someone could NEVER be a "Christ"ian if they proclaim to hate someone and or even act as if they do. Well Gandhi is probably right. Most Christians are quite unlike Jesus. I don't doubt that at all. Anyone who implies that someone else is "rejecting God" after that person has stated clearly that they believe in God and do indeed worship God in their own way, is indeed doing something quite hateful Cowboy. If you told someone that you love God, and they called you a liar, wouldn't you feel that they are being hateful toward you? They are certainly spitting in your face and calling you a liar. That's a pretty hateful thing to do I think. Yet this is what "Christians" do to people continually. In the event that Jess just described, did anyone even bother to ASK those children if they already believed in God in their own way? If that question wasn't asked and the answers of the children RESPECTED, then those so-called "Christians" were indeed doing something extremely hateful! They were totally disrespecting the children and ASSUMING things about the children that they cannot possibly even know. In fact, DO YOU, ever ask anyone if they believe in God? And if they say yes, do you continue with your Christian proselytizing? Or do you respect their reply? If you refuse to give them respect for their beliefs and views then you are being hateful toward them. Especially if you're going to constantly badger them with YOUR BELIEFS like as if they must accept your views, whilst you have totally spit in their face concerning their views. That's hate buddy. Pure and simple hate. If you told someone that you love God, and they called you a liar, wouldn't you feel that they are being hateful toward you? They are certainly spitting in your face and calling you a liar. That's a pretty hateful thing to do I think. No I wouldn't feel they are being "hateful" toward me. They would be foolish, they would be childish, but they would not be "hateful". It would only turn to being hateful if they didn't associate with me just because of that or if they treated me in a less respectful of a way just because of that. And if you've had Christians do this to you in the past, I sincerely apologize on their behalf. For Jesus has NEVER told us to be this way. We are to treat EVERYONE with love and care regardless if they believe or not believe. What these people have done actually goes quite against what Jesus has told us to do. Jesus has told us to witness to the world. Someone treating another differently and or in a foul way just because they don't believe is making a bad witness for again Jesus did NOT tell us to be this way. What I see being said about deception is.. That if someone claims to be chr-stian then those who call themselves chr-stian will go to bat against anyone who tries to show that they do not act like it. even when it is quite obvious. I agree they will do this as I have seen on here. and if you go to another type religion.. then the people in charge will give sermons on people who have entered what he may deem a cult and why chr-stians need to stay away from them They do not come out and say the persons name.. they do it in a way that people will get to thinking do I know anyone like this and of course they do. Thats leading a flock with deceptive practices that the flock thinks in biblical. they got thier point across like telling little jonny that thiers a boogie man in the back yard. He starts to believe thier really is when thier never was. I have seen this.. I have had friends tell me to go to thier ch-rch that thier minister will listen and answer me. They never wanted to answer me they made sure they believed I was a Sheep in wolves clothing when all I did was ask a leginamate question. Why do we go to chu-rch on sunday when Yahshua went on Saturday the 7th day of the week? They hate this question. They also know the real name of the scriptures they use is Yahweh. Do you know how many sermons are preached all the time about people they deem the Holy Name Movement cult? All the time. thats deception brought on to people who are taught never question the Minister.. Your real authority.. Not Yahshua.. thats what they claim but try and do as Yahshua did. and see what happens> Thiers a great book by Charles Shelton that is based on a true story in the late 1800's.. it is so good. they messed up the patton so no group or person has made a dime off this book and you know what? "in his steps" read it.. Its the 2nd all time seller in all of time. Know what the # 1 best seller is? Blessings..Miles Why do we go to chu-rch on sunday when Yahshua went on Saturday the 7th day of the week? Very good question. What day one celebrates as the Sabath doesn't matter a WHOLE lot though. God made the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th, blessing it. And instructed us to do the same. We weren't instructed to celebrate, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, or any other particular day as the Sabath. We are to again, work six and rest on the seventh setting a day aside to praise and worship God. "Technically" Saturday is the 7th day of the week yes. But culture wise Sunday is. For instance, kids go to school Mon - Fri and Sat and Sun are the weekEND. So with that, Sunday would be the last day of the week. Personally I don't feel it really matters a whole lot. One could celebrate their Sabath on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or any other day for that matter. BUT, celebrating the Sabath on a usual day makes it much easier to be able to congregate with others. And is where celebrating it on Saturday or Sunday came into play. But again, highly doubt it matters a major amount. Just as long as we keep atleast ONE day to give totally to the lord and not worry about our own selves eg., no purches, ect. Just a day of worship. then culturally baptism is not needed.. going to worship is not needed. no nothing is needed because Yahshua did all those things so his example is meaningless. why follow him anyway.. he did what he did because to be fair to all of mankind would to have different rules for different people/.. like the 4th commandment of the sabbath does not mean the 7th day it means any day. do not honor your father and mother because they probally were wrong anyway.. they never tried to set an example.. even if they did it means nothing to you. do not steal is only if you get caught. sleeping around is ok because socially in our cultur the more you get shows you are good at it. having several women at t5he same time is ok because our laws say its ok.. homosexuality is ok because its ok now. everything is ok because the ways of the world dictate what we are to do not the Bible.. I agree totally Cowboy.. we don't need rules.. everyone should do what is right in thier own eyes.. Its prophecy right.. shalom..Miles eh? Did I miss something? You're a bit way out in left field with this reply to what I said. The Sabath is the 7th day of the week. Work 6, rest one giving it to God in praise. And where in the world did you get off talking about baptism and what not? And about the honoring your father and mother? What in the world are you talking about my friend? Again, yes we are to keep the Sabath day holy. But what day you keep as the Sabath I do not feel it's real important. As long as you do your thing in 6 days of the week but leave at least one day for praise and worship eg., the sabath. Day of rest and worship. Again, don't know where you got off on the other stuff, or where you even got off talking about I was saying, insinuating, or inferring it wasn't important to keep the Sabath. |
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I am curious how we know what the 'seventh' day was,,,,,being that we named the days AFTER God created them and seven is a measure of placement,,, I always thought the biblical example of sabbath was in the number of days worked, that six on and one off principle in exodus "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter your male or your female servant or your cattle or your sojourner who stays with you," (Exodus 20:8-10, NASB) I dont know why the ritual of a SPECIFIC day became so significant, or when It's not real significant. Just the usual day of celebrating the sabath has been placed on Sunday for most and Saturday for a couple. This is done as to make it easier for gatherings, eg., "church". So we can congregate easier. But no, it's not specifically "Sunday" or "Saturday". Just work your 6 days and give at least one day to the lord. One day for praise and worship and not putting much mind towards you. Giving the lord just one day for praise and worship. Is that to much to ask for? Just one day? |
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Once again - HE DIDN'T DAMAGE THE TEMPLE!!!!! Most likely he didn't damage the property of the money changers either. Tossing their property out the door does not necessarily = damage. And knowing the type of property they would have had - highly doubt anything was damaged other than a few egos... so "mylifetoday"... tossing someone property on the ground is not damage to those that follow Jesus ....ok...let's use your computer to test that theory.....I will toss if out the front door unto the ground ...it perhaps may break and never work again but according to you that doesn't mean that it's damage you guys are so scary |
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No it is not. The leadership of the Temple decided this was ok and appropriate. Obviously the true owner of the building disagreed with their assessment. Therefore, the analogy is correct. Neither God nor Jesus invited them into Their House. how would the leadership of the temple know that Jesus the teacher of turning the other cheek was going to have a conniption fit and start tossing people things out the temple money changing in what ever form was how the temple raised money...even giving tithes would be money changing...clearly God wasn't giving them any money to run the place....didn't Jesus give tithes or pay temple taxes..so wouldn't that be money changing? ...this is another example of how Jesus was being a hyprocrite and playing to the crowd |
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And before you ask - Yes, Jesus regularly chastised the people entrusted to watch over His Father's House. the temple did not belong to Jesus so he didn't have the right to entrust it to anyone....he was only a teacher there not the owner or a share holder... |
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I know, you are now going to question why He didn't go after the Pharisees and leave the money changers alone. A couple reasons. He wasn't going to wait for a debate to be settled before fixing something that was disrespectful to God. He would need to trust the pharisees would actually agree and carry out His desire to have them removed. Remember the pharisees were constantly questioning whether or not Jesus was following the law appropriately. They are the ones that eventually had him crucified. the Pharisees did not crucifiy Jesus, Rome crucified him....since being found innocent of a crime would not get one crucified, therefore Jesus were accused of breaking a law or laws that made him a criminal under Roman Jurisdiction and he were found guilty ...and that is what got him crucified |
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No it is not. The leadership of the Temple decided this was ok and appropriate. Obviously the true owner of the building disagreed with their assessment. Therefore, the analogy is correct. Neither God nor Jesus invited them into Their House. how would the leadership of the temple know that Jesus the teacher of turning the other cheek was going to have a conniption fit and start tossing people things out the temple money changing in what ever form was how the temple raised money...even giving tithes would be money changing...clearly God wasn't giving them any money to run the place....didn't Jesus give tithes or pay temple taxes..so wouldn't that be money changing? ...this is another example of how Jesus was being a hyprocrite and playing to the crowd Tithing has nothing to do with money changers. money changer - one whose business is to exchange the money of one country for that of another country And if this was from the tithing money, this could have and should have been done outside the church. Not running a business inside the church. That is the reason Jesus did that. Because it was running a BUSINESS inside of God's house. A church isn't a "business". The tithes are to go towards the church for helping others and possibly church upkeep, not into the pockets of any people. |
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Once again - HE DIDN'T DAMAGE THE TEMPLE!!!!! Most likely he didn't damage the property of the money changers either. Tossing their property out the door does not necessarily = damage. And knowing the type of property they would have had - highly doubt anything was damaged other than a few egos... so "mylifetoday"... tossing someone property on the ground is not damage to those that follow Jesus ....ok...let's use your computer to test that theory.....I will toss if out the front door unto the ground ...it perhaps may break and never work again but according to you that doesn't mean that it's damage you guys are so scary Jesus had all the right to do that lol. AGAIN, they were trespassing, they were NOT suppose to be running that business there. |
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