So if and when you have kids, your house won't be their house? A child doesn't have the same house as their parents? Funny, cause I could have swore the house I was raised in was my house, my home as well as my parents house, my parents home. Jesus didn't do anything destructive to the church itself. He turned over a couple tables and threw the people out. But he didn't bring any harm to the church itself.

so going by your post your mother and father were not good parents if they allowed you to destroy things in their home just because you lived there

so Cowboy.... are you sure they allowed you to do this?

I wasn't talking about the quilting event. You stated the church has no right to cast Holy Water on those that walk through the doors. That was all that I was addressing. I think what they did to the girls was underhanded and deceitful. If you are planning on talking about faith as the primary focus, be clear about it. Trying to blindside someone and cornering them into a lecture on faith is contrary to being Christian.

Depends on what you mean on exchanging money. If you are talking about putting money in the collection basket, Jesus asks us to do that specifically and tells of how much you are blessed and how you are blessed for doing it.

The part you refer to was different. They essentially set up a shopping mall inside the church for the convenience of those that were going to church. Buy what you need at the church to atone for your sins (this was still Old Testament at that time). First, kind of defeats the purpose by making your atonement easier and less painful. Second, the church is not a place where it is acceptable to have a day to day running mall within it. The merchants selling product were for profit businesses operating within the church. That is wrong by any faith's standards.

"myloifetoday"....so you are claiming that the church have the right to spinkle holy water on a city building inspector or if someone come to check a gas leak...

it's scarey how people are willing to give a building the power to violate the rights of others in the name of religion

Jesus destroyed nothing. Yes if someone was in my house say having a poker tournament while I was at work and my child came home, I would want my child to turn the tables over and throw them out. Jesus brought NO harm to the church lol.

Would you not want your child to do the same thing? Or would you prefer for the child to allow this to go on?

Actually, no, he was not disrespecting His Father's house by casting them out. He was honoring it.

If someone comes into your home and starts to set up business within your home without asking you and your son gets upset and destroys THEIR set up and throws them out, is your son disrespecting your house or honoring it?

Oh, btw, "money changers" isn't what it sounds like. Sacrifice for most sins called for burning money. Not sure why but they found it acceptable to purchase, let's say Holy Money as I don't know what it was actually called, and they would sacrifice by burning the Holy Money. Technically it is still their money they are sacrificing as they paid for it to be burnt. but they were purchasing a tangible product that only had the appearance of being money - hence "money changers." And the money changers weren't going to spend their time and efforts to do this service without being compensated for it (for profit business).

That was not my intent and you should know that.

I was referring to people that come into the building to find out what this whole religion thing is all about. People that enter willingly out of curiosity.

Cowboy...just as your parents allowed you to destroy things in their home you in turn pass this type of violence to your children and taught your children to resort to violence to solve issues in your home .....

"mylifetoday" ....when the bible say honor thy Father and mother...they perhaps were not referring to having a conniption fit and doing damages to their home in the name of Jesus

No my parents did not allow me to destroy things in our home. Jesus is the judge my friend. He is the one in charge. And again, Jesus destroyed nothing of God's. Jesus threw over the tables the money changers were using and threw them out. No harm done to the church itself, no damage done to God's house.

No one had a conniption fit. Those tables and money changers should not have been in the church. They were trespassing. So you're gonna tell me that if someone trespasses into your house, you're just going to politely ask them to leave? You're gonna politely direct them to the door? Even if they refuse to leave, you're gonna plead with them in a gentle way? Or are you gonna forcefully make them leave? Are you gonna throw a conniption fit of these people in your house?

"mylifetoday"....I supposed your community do not have any police or cellphones to call "911" .....is taking the law in your own hands by resorting to violence the moral you took from the story of Jesus and the money changers

Well for one it wasn't "illegal" for what those money changers were doing. Wasn't against man's law. So the legal force would have no grounds to do anything, so your statement is mute.

Answer my question first, then I will answer yours.

Would your son be honoring your house or disrespecting it? And note I pointed out your son was damaging THEIR property, not yours.

Cowboy...in case the bible didn't teach you this... resorting to violence always causes some form of damages ...so just tell Jesus to take a guilty plea

but anyway so now you admit that you the son were not allowed or had the right to do damage to your father's home ...

ok so what if you claim to be the judge in your father's house, do that give you the right to destroy things in his home

WTF - you are trying to avoid my question and get me to answer in a way that I have already demonstrated is wrong.

If someone you don't know comes to your home and sets up shop without your consent or that of your son's would you expect your son to sit idly by waiting for the police to show up or toss this complete stranger out on his ear for daring to violate your sanctuary? Call the police after you evict them. They already are in the wrong. In some states it would be legal to shoot them.

Are you trying to say no one has the right to protect their own property?

what if a child came in and disposed of their parents drugs?

sometimes looking past the sensationalism of an action to the actual purpose and result of the action can clarify things


those tables were used to misuse what was meant as a house of prayer to instead be a resource for personal profit, they were disrupted to disrupt their misuse


the most beautiful thing from Jesus devotion to taking the stand for the house of worship for me was this revelation


And my blessings are for Gentiles, too, when they commit themselves to the LORD. Do not let them think that I consider them second-class citizens... 6“I will also bless the Gentiles who commit themselves to the LORD and serve him and love his name, who worship him and do not desecrate the Sabbath day of rest, and who have accepted his covenant. 7I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem and will fill them with joy in my house of prayer. I will accept their burnt offerings and sacrifices, because my Temple will be called a house of prayer for all nations. (Isaiah 56:3, 6-7)



amen

Cowboy...don't Christians ever call the police...you guys seem to be looking for a fight

Cowboy...couldn't Jesus just walked into the place and first ask them to leave before resorting to violence ...isn't Jesus supposed to be Love or something ....

If you proclaim to be an elephant, does it make it true? If you proclaim to be purple, does it make it true? No wouldn't make it true if I just claimed to be the judge of my father's house. Jesus IS the judge, not that he just proclaimed to be. He is. You can not be something just simply cause you proclaim to be. We are who we are, we are what we are. There's nothing one can do to change that. Jesus is the judge of us all and has been since the beginning of all time.