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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God.  So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way?  I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. May want to reread this. Not sure if it says what you mean it to say... |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... |
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I am not making an excuse for violence. I am explaining why your claim of violence in this instance is incorrect - at least the way I see it. I define violence as the deliberate attack on a person or property to cause physical harm or damage. I already told you a few times that I seriously doubt anything was damaged. I also said that there is a VERY HIGH probability that He never laid a hand on anyone. I know you could interpret "drove out" as a physical attack, but that would be so far outside His character that it is a laughable statement. Unfortunately it does not specify how He drove them out of the Temple. I have no doubt He did it without resorting to violence. You can continue to claim He did but there is nothing you can say that will ever make me question it. "mylifetoday" ....it's funny how you said that "you seriously doubt if anything was damage" ....doesn't that means you don't know? ....your post sounds like you're been taking Lawyer lessons from MsHarmony the facts are if someone toss your property on the ground without your permission, it therefore will in some shape form or fashion cause damage...either to the property or to you physically or mentally....it's called "Assault" ... the fact that a non-believer such as myself have to explain to Christians how the actions of Jesus in the Temple was violence and not "turning the other cheek" as he himself has taught is pure karma my only aim is to place Christians on the path to true righteousness .....funches 3:16 |
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According to the Bible Jesus was the Son of God as well. The Temple is God's House. Has always been referred to that way. Once again in the Bible and you can ask any Christian or Jew and they will agree with that statement. I say Jew because there were no Christians at that time, so the Jewish concept is the only one that applies. You are ignoring a very big piece of information trying to claim He had no jurisdiction in the Temple. God's House - Jesus, Son of God - Therefore, He has a right to say what should and should not happen in His Father's house. But I laughed because this has been said a few times in this thread. You are once again disregarding previous information that was presented. "mylifetoday" ...isn't everyone supposedly are the sons of daughters of God....please say "no"... but anyway if you say "yes that all men are the sons of God then wouldn't that mean that Jesus didn't have any more right to go into the temple starting trouble than anyone else in the temple on that day Jesus was being a drama queen ...the Pharisees probably looked at each other and said "WTF?" |
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Did you read the link? The main reason I attached it was to show that he was the representative of the Roman Government and he washed his hands of the crucifixion. How does that equate to: 1) Jesus being a criminal as you have so often claimed 2) show that Rome executed Him for crimes against the state 3) Pilate ordered His execution Pilate handed Him over to be Crucified. Did not do it through Roman law. the only law He would have broken is the Jewish law. Claiming to be the Son of God. But that law ONLY applies to someone saying that who is not in fact the Son of God. And since He was the Son of God, was not in violation of the law. The Jews were wrong to sentence Him to death on these grounds. He was innocent of ALL charges levied against Him. "mylifetoday" ...isn't everyone in jail or on death row innocent?...if Pilate handed him over to be Crucified then blame Pilate not the Pharisees .... if Jesus as you said may be guilty of breaking some jewish law....then that in itself showed "just cause" why Pilate should place him on trial or crucify him... |
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Once again - Do you read anything I write??? "mylifetoday"...yes of course I read everything ....pretty funny stuff....you should think about writing comedy for Jesus and then the disciples asked Jesus why should we turn the other cheek and Jesus said I'll tell you when I get back...I have to go toss some people out of the temple first did he toss people out of a temple, or just overturn desks? MsHarmony...are you suggesting that Jesus turned over the desks along with the property of the Money Changers onto the ground and then asked them all to stay so that he can preach to them about Love and non-violence and turning the other cheek? you guys are so funny ...or perhaps scary |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch supposedly he will come back as the Antichrist ... a Man that will fool Christians to believe is God ... |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... when Jesus supposely comes back as the antichrist it's not the end of the world it's The Battle at Armageddon in which he tries to become the dictator of the world |
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The things we tell and try and Teach our children in real life are hard to do. No matter what we believe the Scriptures are a good tool to learn from.. They are like rain. With all the technology and all the money in the world. If it quits raining we will die. When you die what will people remember you for? Its not a mans birth that we should remember but a mans end of Life. How did a person affect us? Was it positive? So to me The Scriptures can be summed up in a few words. Do unto others as you would have them do to you. If you need forgiveness in your life then forgive. If you see a need and can fill it.. Then fill it. Our life can end in the snap of a finger. So do whats right to others and you will have no regrets.. Blessings of Shalom..Miles   i was raised a presbyterian and was taught the scriptures by my parents while they worked their damndest to pass on their racism and bigotry to me. it wasn't until i'd returned from vietnam having learned that we all bleed red that i shed most all the teachings of my parents including the scriptures. and why do unto others as you would have them do unto you when you could do unto others as they'd have done unto themselves? therein lies a major flaw with religios thinking; that everybody must believe as i believe or else. |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... when Jesus supposely comes back as the antichrist it's not the end of the world it's The Battle at Armageddon in which he tries to become the dictator of the world I'm tired of this. Around and around and around and around and around. Go back and read what I wrote. Almost all your statements have already been addressed and shown to be false. Really getting tired of repeating myself. Or is that your goal? Just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over until the person you talk to just gets tired and stops answering, thereby proving you are correct. I haven't really addressed the "antichrist" claim you just made. Not going to either. Just another post I will have to keep repeating myself on. That is so obviously a ludicrous statement that there is no point in addressing it. To make a claim like that is just WAY over the top. You win with just shear tenacity of repeating the same claims over and over regardless of what is said. You really should read what I write before stating I am saying something that I have already shown to be incorrect. Just like your claim that I kept putting my son in danger when it was you that kept changing the scenario and using one of my previous answers to try to prove I didn't care about my son. Really no point in debating with you when you ignore what I say anyway... Thought at some point you would actually start to realize you already asked that question before. Guess I was wrong. |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... when Jesus supposely comes back as the antichrist it's not the end of the world it's The Battle at Armageddon in which he tries to become the dictator of the world I'm tired of this. Around and around and around and around and around. Go back and read what I wrote. Almost all your statements have already been addressed and shown to be false. Really getting tired of repeating myself. Or is that your goal? Just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over until the person you talk to just gets tired and stops answering, thereby proving you are correct. I haven't really addressed the "antichrist" claim you just made. Not going to either. Just another post I will have to keep repeating myself on. That is so obviously a ludicrous statement that there is no point in addressing it. To make a claim like that is just WAY over the top. You win with just shear tenacity of repeating the same claims over and over regardless of what is said. You really should read what I write before stating I am saying something that I have already shown to be incorrect. Just like your claim that I kept putting my son in danger when it was you that kept changing the scenario and using one of my previous answers to try to prove I didn't care about my son. Really no point in debating with you when you ignore what I say anyway... Thought at some point you would actually start to realize you already asked that question before. Guess I was wrong. Why is it the Unbelievers do not go round and round with me? I do not use well this is what I feel. I understand why the unbelievers taunt you like they do. They want you to wake up and smell the butter. You never give good scriptures with any understanding. I post stuff and I expect the Believer to be able to understand whats being said yet you have not a clue. This sunday as you go and worship JC you will do exactly as Abra tell you all the time. you will go for your benefit and nothing else. Yet you are really harming yourselves with a LIE. Teaching your children a LIE. Thats not from scripture. I agree with the unbeliever when it comes to why i will never associate myself as chr-stian. you have empty words. The messiah of the Bible is not the example you follow. You follow pagan ways of old. You have your ministries to help people overseas and say look we feed the poor. Is that what the scripture says about character? No 1st it says a amn who will not take care of his household is worse than an Imbasol. Do you take care of your household? No u don't. If you did then the people you associate with would not only take care of thier household but would take care of thos around them who need help. without scripture. Yahshua said don't believe me believe my works. Do people believe your works? No works is a dirty word to you.. all you say is do this or do that or you are destined for HELL. Helping another country is good but letting your own suffer is passing the buck so you can continue with the4 riches you have. Live what you believe.. when you see a need and can fill it fill it without nothing but good words. when your conduct is of such then those people will want to know whats different about you. why are you content with what you have and willing to share to work and not want nothing in return. Thats the living scriptures. not trying to save someone.. are you Elohim.. Is Yahweh not able to turn water into wine and feed 5000 people. What was he trying to do. They loved him. so the ones who on;ly spouted do this or do that what could they say about his condust? That he was EVIL? No instead of going to sunrise services tommorrow go help the needy and help who is in your own little community. Help those who no one else will. Do you need to spout off scripture for them to see good in you? Atre you not suppose to be an Ambassador? What kind of ambassador are you? Shalom..Miles |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... when Jesus supposely comes back as the antichrist it's not the end of the world it's The Battle at Armageddon in which he tries to become the dictator of the world I'm tired of this. Around and around and around and around and around. Go back and read what I wrote. Almost all your statements have already been addressed and shown to be false. Really getting tired of repeating myself. Or is that your goal? Just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over until the person you talk to just gets tired and stops answering, thereby proving you are correct. I haven't really addressed the "antichrist" claim you just made. Not going to either. Just another post I will have to keep repeating myself on. That is so obviously a ludicrous statement that there is no point in addressing it. To make a claim like that is just WAY over the top. You win with just shear tenacity of repeating the same claims over and over regardless of what is said. You really should read what I write before stating I am saying something that I have already shown to be incorrect. Just like your claim that I kept putting my son in danger when it was you that kept changing the scenario and using one of my previous answers to try to prove I didn't care about my son. Really no point in debating with you when you ignore what I say anyway... Thought at some point you would actually start to realize you already asked that question before. Guess I was wrong. If you know so much try proving to me jc is not the ant-messiah. see if you can prove that to me or if I can prove he is. I know the scriptures like the back of my hand. quit spouting what you do not know. Try talking with someone who has knowledge of the Scriptures. and we will see who the scriptures call foolish.. ok. shalom..Miles |
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I'm tired of this. Around and around and around and around and around. Go back and read what I wrote. Almost all your statements have already been addressed and shown to be false. Really getting tired of repeating myself. Or is that your goal? Just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over until the person you talk to just gets tired and stops answering, thereby proving you are correct. I haven't really addressed the "antichrist" claim you just made. Not going to either. Just another post I will have to keep repeating myself on. That is so obviously a ludicrous statement that there is no point in addressing it. To make a claim like that is just WAY over the top. You win with just shear tenacity of repeating the same claims over and over regardless of what is said. You really should read what I write before stating I am saying something that I have already shown to be incorrect. Just like your claim that I kept putting my son in danger when it was you that kept changing the scenario and using one of my previous answers to try to prove I didn't care about my son. Really no point in debating with you when you ignore what I say anyway... Thought at some point you would actually start to realize you already asked that question before. Guess I was wrong. "mylifetoday"...why do you assume that what you have been writing makes any sense to anyone else but you....people believe just because they claim to be a Christian that therefore everything they say is truth or it's ok to make up stuff that's not in the bible.... you are here in the forums trying to preach (repeatedly I must add) that Jesus walking into a place (that he doesn't own or live at) and tossing the property of others (which is not his) to the ground is not violence and is justified .....and then you amazingly don't have a clue why actions like this wouldn't get him crucified sorry that I can not agree on your resorting to Vigilantism to solve your problems but then neither does the law and it will get you place in prison just like it got Jesus crucified |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... when Jesus supposely comes back as the antichrist it's not the end of the world it's The Battle at Armageddon in which he tries to become the dictator of the world I'm tired of this. Around and around and around and around and around. Go back and read what I wrote. Almost all your statements have already been addressed and shown to be false. Really getting tired of repeating myself. Or is that your goal? Just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over until the person you talk to just gets tired and stops answering, thereby proving you are correct. I haven't really addressed the "antichrist" claim you just made. Not going to either. Just another post I will have to keep repeating myself on. That is so obviously a ludicrous statement that there is no point in addressing it. To make a claim like that is just WAY over the top. You win with just shear tenacity of repeating the same claims over and over regardless of what is said. You really should read what I write before stating I am saying something that I have already shown to be incorrect. Just like your claim that I kept putting my son in danger when it was you that kept changing the scenario and using one of my previous answers to try to prove I didn't care about my son. Really no point in debating with you when you ignore what I say anyway... Thought at some point you would actually start to realize you already asked that question before. Guess I was wrong. If you know so much try proving to me jc is not the ant-messiah. see if you can prove that to me or if I can prove he is. I know the scriptures like the back of my hand. quit spouting what you do not know. Try talking with someone who has knowledge of the Scriptures. and we will see who the scriptures call foolish.. ok. shalom..Miles I said I wasn't going to talk to Funches because I was only repeating myself over and over and over again. There is a different reason to not talk to you. You don't have a question. You are only trying to attack my faith and belittle me and guilt me into debating someone that is so antichristian as to be almost laughable. Someone that has already made up their mind, claims to know scripture, then dares to demand proof, will not listen to a thing I say and will only keep talking until they can see something that appears to be evidence that I have no faith or something similar. You pretty much said as much already. Why debate someone that states they look down on my faith and think it is a all a lie and in your words, "you have empty words." You just said it doesn't matter what I say. So, why say it. Take care and God Bless... Jesus tells us not to talk to people that have your view. That is not a cop out or running away. I just explained how it is pointless which only makes Jesus' statement make more sense. btw - if I try to prove Jesus is not the antichrist I first have to go with the assumption that He most likely is and agree that if I cannot disprove it that I must admit you are correct. Rather, you should disprove He is the Son-of-God. I haven't seen anything to indicate in anyway that He is the antichrist where I am fairly certain that you have seen information that says He is the Son-of-God. At least you have if you know scripture the way you claim you do. |
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Why is it the Unbelievers do not go round and round with me? ..Miles because "Milesoftheusa"...one do not actually have to believe in God to debate the bible...but to debate fairly you also can not dispute the existence of that practicular God which means that you have to debate the bible as literally the true word of God ... and you Milesoftheusa have the habit of debating the bible as literally the true word of God which makes you practically undebatable....since most things are agreed upon some Christians do not debate the bible literally but metaphorically which is not truth but the truth askew )a lie) and they tend to make up stuff because they are either ashame of what's in the bible or so that it can fit to their views or to justify the plagiarism and false idol worshipping that goes on in The New Testament... and example of this is the constant twisting of facts in an attempt to prove that God do not kill newborn babies the best one was when Cowboy claim that no babies drowned in the great flood because God place them all on Noah's Ark .... |
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I said I wasn't going to talk to Funches because I was only repeating myself over and over and over again. what?....how rude .....did Satan tell you to do this? but anyway...yes "mylifetoday" ..repeating yourself over and over is called "parrot-phrasing" |
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If, upon showing himself...
an entity claims to be JC returned... He IS surely the Anti-Christ... For he will come in a new name. does it not say so in the oft quoted book. (along with warnings about listening to any person that claims to be Jesus). |
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When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time. Mitch So much for a "benevolent" God. So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way? I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities". Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there. Said it earlier just not this way... He will come to judge the world as is right and appropriate seeing as how it is the end of the world... when Jesus supposely comes back as the antichrist it's not the end of the world it's The Battle at Armageddon in which he tries to become the dictator of the world I'm tired of this. Around and around and around and around and around. Go back and read what I wrote. Almost all your statements have already been addressed and shown to be false. Really getting tired of repeating myself. Or is that your goal? Just keep rehashing the same stuff over and over until the person you talk to just gets tired and stops answering, thereby proving you are correct. I haven't really addressed the "antichrist" claim you just made. Not going to either. Just another post I will have to keep repeating myself on. That is so obviously a ludicrous statement that there is no point in addressing it. To make a claim like that is just WAY over the top. You win with just shear tenacity of repeating the same claims over and over regardless of what is said. You really should read what I write before stating I am saying something that I have already shown to be incorrect. Just like your claim that I kept putting my son in danger when it was you that kept changing the scenario and using one of my previous answers to try to prove I didn't care about my son. Really no point in debating with you when you ignore what I say anyway... Thought at some point you would actually start to realize you already asked that question before. Guess I was wrong. If you know so much try proving to me jc is not the ant-messiah. see if you can prove that to me or if I can prove he is. I know the scriptures like the back of my hand. quit spouting what you do not know. Try talking with someone who has knowledge of the Scriptures. and we will see who the scriptures call foolish.. ok. shalom..Miles I said I wasn't going to talk to Funches because I was only repeating myself over and over and over again. There is a different reason to not talk to you. You don't have a question. You are only trying to attack my faith and belittle me and guilt me into debating someone that is so antichristian as to be almost laughable. Someone that has already made up their mind, claims to know scripture, then dares to demand proof, will not listen to a thing I say and will only keep talking until they can see something that appears to be evidence that I have no faith or something similar. You pretty much said as much already. Why debate someone that states they look down on my faith and think it is a all a lie and in your words, "you have empty words." You just said it doesn't matter what I say. So, why say it. Take care and God Bless... Jesus tells us not to talk to people that have your view. That is not a cop out or running away. I just explained how it is pointless which only makes Jesus' statement make more sense. btw - if I try to prove Jesus is not the antichrist I first have to go with the assumption that He most likely is and agree that if I cannot disprove it that I must admit you are correct. Rather, you should disprove He is the Son-of-God. I haven't seen anything to indicate in anyway that He is the antichrist where I am fairly certain that you have seen information that says He is the Son-of-God. At least you have if you know scripture the way you claim you do. who is this and what was at the time of the Messiah? Did he and the Apostles not do as Yahshua said? 2 Thess 2:5-12 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.9 Read Zech 14: 9 14) 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason Elohim will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. NKJV Now who comes and seeks to change laws and times? Did Yahshua say thats what he was doing? If not then who is this speaking of? John 5:42-44 43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. NKJV You claim this biut when it is proven who this is .. you shut up.. may be the best thing you can do..Or defend the Messiah.. Who has come in his own name to all the world and changed laws and times. Things Yahshua condemned.. Shalom..Miles |
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as it was then so is it today Blessings..Miles
Luke 20:21-26 21 Then they asked Him, saying,"Teacher, we know that You say and teach rightly, and You do not show personal favoritism, but teach the way of Elohim in truth: 22 Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar or not?" 23 But He perceived their craftiness, and said to them, "Why do you test Me? 24 Show Me a denarius. Whose image and inscription does it have?" They answered and said, "Caesar's." 25 And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to Elohim the things that are Elohim's." 26 But they could not catch Him in His words in the presence of the people. And they marveled at His answer and kept silent. NKJV |
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According to the Bible Jesus was the Son of God as well. The Temple is God's House. Has always been referred to that way. Once again in the Bible and you can ask any Christian or Jew and they will agree with that statement. I say Jew because there were no Christians at that time, so the Jewish concept is the only one that applies. You are ignoring a very big piece of information trying to claim He had no jurisdiction in the Temple. God's House - Jesus, Son of God - Therefore, He has a right to say what should and should not happen in His Father's house. But I laughed because this has been said a few times in this thread. You are once again disregarding previous information that was presented. "mylifetoday" ...isn't everyone supposedly are the sons of daughters of God....please say "no"... but anyway if you say "yes that all men are the sons of God then wouldn't that mean that Jesus didn't have any more right to go into the temple starting trouble than anyone else in the temple on that day Jesus was being a drama queen ...the Pharisees probably looked at each other and said "WTF?" but anyway if you say "yes that all men are the sons of God then wouldn't that mean that Jesus didn't have any more right to go into the temple starting trouble than anyone else Jesus is the only begotten child of God. Jesus is the judge, Jesus is the law enforcer. Jesus had all the right to do what he did in the temple. |
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