Once again,

Stop putting words in my mouth.

I clearly stated the type of material they had probably would not be damaged. Take my books and a couple of sturdy tables and toss them out. That is a whole lot better analogy than tossing my computer out the door.

And I don't remember anywhere in the Bible where it states He physically threw anything.

"Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves."

Turning over tables is hardly damage in anyone's book, well except maybe for yours. And that is very far from throwing anything out any door. Please note it does not mention the doves. It talks about the benches and benches ONLY of those selling doves.

Also note He didn't touch anything that was Temple property or took a swing at anyone. Driving out can easily be done by talking sternly to them and given how He behaved throughout His life, much more likely. I have said a few times before that they knew they really shouldn't be there but it was an accepted custom at the time.

Are you listening to anything????

The Pharisees DID crucify Him.

They turned Him over to be crucified. Pilot said, "I find no fault in this Man." yeah, that is an obvious violation of the law.

Pilot decided to use a custom where he would release one prisoner. He took out Barabbas and asked if they wanted Barabbas or Jesus released. Obviously Barabbas was chosen. Pilot then asked what they wanted done with Jesus. They YELLED CRUCIFY HIM!!!

Clearly this was a terrible criminal that Rome had a real problem with and chose to execute Him regardless of what the Jews thought. If the crowd wasn't there demanding His Crucifixion He would have been released. Pilot even said He committed no crime. The Jews said, "He claimed to be our King, we have no King but Caesar." They also said, "He calls Himself the Son of God. By OUR law He must be put to death." Pilot told them to take Him and Crucify Him themselves. They said, "We cannot, it is the start of our Passover. By our law we cannot do anything to Him right now."

Finally Pilot handed Him over to be crucified. He literally washed his hands to show he had no guilt in the Crucifixion.

if you still think Rome killed Him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontius_Pilate

Once again - Do you read anything I write???

wow..."mylifetoday" ...I see you are still making excuses for the violence people do...I guess "to turn the other cheek" is christian slang for "resort to violence"

and don't you read the bible....according to the bible Jesus was a carpenter not a temple owner

"mylifetoday"...the fact that you are trying to provide a link to Pontius Pilate only proves that it was Pontius Pilate under the Jurisdiction of Rome that got Jesus crucified ...

of course some believed Jesus to be innocent and some believed Jesus to be guilty and Pontius Pilate was the tie breaker...so perhaps you should blame the one that ultimately gave the order for Jesus to be crucified

"mylifetoday"...yes of course I read everything ....pretty funny stuff....you should think about writing comedy for Jesus


and then the disciples asked Jesus why should we turn the other cheek

and Jesus said I'll tell you when I get back...I have to go toss some people out of the temple first

"mylifetoday"...yes of course I read everything ....pretty funny stuff....you should think about writing comedy for Jesus


and then the disciples asked Jesus why should we turn the other cheek

and Jesus said I'll tell you when I get back...I have to go toss some people out of the temple first

did he toss people out of a temple, or just overturn desks?

mylifetoday wrote:

I am not making an excuse for violence. I am explaining why your claim of violence in this instance is incorrect - at least the way I see it.

I define violence as the deliberate attack on a person or property to cause physical harm or damage.

I already told you a few times that I seriously doubt anything was damaged.

I also said that there is a VERY HIGH probability that He never laid a hand on anyone. I know you could interpret "drove out" as a physical attack, but that would be so far outside His character that it is a laughable statement.

Unfortunately it does not specify how He drove them out of the Temple. I have no doubt He did it without resorting to violence.

You can continue to claim He did but there is nothing you can say that will ever make me question it.

You are ignoring a very big piece of information trying to claim He had no jurisdiction in the Temple.

God's House - Jesus, Son of God - Therefore, He has a right to say what should and should not happen in His Father's house.

But I laughed because this has been said a few times in this thread. You are once again disregarding previous information that was presented.

When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time.

Mitch

So much for a "benevolent" God.

So in other words, we are to believe that even an all-powerful all-wise God must resort to WAR using an ARMY in order to FORCE things to be done his way?

I'm not the slightest bit impressed with this God's "capabilities".

Sounds like a pretty mundane limited God to me. He has to resort to war just like humans do. That a pretty lame God right there.

Doesn't the description in the Bible of this scene have Jesus "overturning" the tables?

To me that would be, at the very least, a display of immaturity and loss of temper.

When he returns it says he will Rule an army. He's not going to play nice the next time.

Mitch

He was overturning tables.

As for whether or not He lost His temper. Ask Him. I don't know.

He could have. It doesn't say He didn't.

This still wouldn't excuse Jesus from acting immaturely and violently in a temple of God. I don't care if God is his daddy, that doesn't excuse immature or violent behavior.

These "excuses" simply don't wash.

You get whipped, spit on, nailed to a wooden cross, crucified, buried for 3 days, You will come back as one pissed off Soldier in charge of the Army against evil, for sure.