perhaps faith is simply a case of brain gas?...release it and one no longer have the need to believe in and fall in love with invisible things they read about in books

Cowboy...you gave a good argument and since I try to debate the bible as being the true word of God then from the stand point of the belief I find myself having to agree with your point of view...

you are a Christians and you are simply going by the belief, and depression would have been considered as lack of faith during the times of Jesus, accepting Jesus as one savior and allowing the Holy Ghost into them would have rid the person of their depression ..

which is why Christians that go to the doctor or a hospital have lack of faith in God because they place their trust in Man therefore allowing Satan or a member of his legion to enter their heart

and the Christians that refuse to go to the doctor or take their sick children to the doctors have complete faith in God, they do not allow Satan to tempt them to run to Man

Yes funches you are correct, god healed my son, funny that , but my other child has rhumatoid arthritus, its horrid and yep it was her lack of faith and mine that have left her unhealed.. I feel so so pitiful and depressed,
I think I'll go eat worms, long ones skinny ones, fat ones short ones, worms that wiggle and squirm, cut there heads off suck there guts out throw there tails away. Nobody loves me everybody hates me think I ll go eat worms..
Wow that feels better, Oh bummer I forgot my son is deaf, rats more lack of faith..
Oh no, my kidneys are no good, never have been I am a diabetic, Oh and I forgot the doctor told me 8 years ago he didnt think they would last another 10.. Now where did I lose that faith


Oh dear oh dear, I must be faithless.

I wonder why Satan has used it in life,
I have lived with sickness and have compassion then I would ever have had without it.
I have lived through abuse and have learnt forgiveness.
I have watched my children suffer while I was helpless to help them and I learnt to appreciate life.
My children are great little human beings, they have problems but they have good jobs stable relationships and appreciate life more than most people ever will and theylove every second of it..
Yes it has been such a curse to our family. and we are so sad


You crack me up funches and i like you more and more everyday..

I dont know where faith comes from, I really wish I knew why i believe what I do , I wish I could prove it, but I cant, I cant even prove it to myself. but I know without a doubt that no matter what anyone says it is not just faith that heals you.

I guess it all comes down to Gods will and what is best for us, yep health wise me being healed is best, but emotionally i would be a completely different person if I hadnt been through what I have, I guess its just all an exciting adventure, we dont know what we are going to get , but whatever it is it is going to be fun if we let it be..

if you know not what you are going to get and it's all part of God's Divine plan as to what you get...then why try to weld faith in the attempt not to get it

Oh my Gosh Funches, I have no idea what you just said... It makes no more sense to me than faith does.. i wont argue with you as i agree with you on heaps of things, I have said before that you make me questin my beliefs, but so far my faith is still there, No idea why it just is..
But I need you to talk to me in simple phrases as i am a bush girl and have absolutely no idea what you said.

oops...er....sorry ...my bad

ok since you claim to be a bush..I'll tell it in Bush Language ....and no I don't mean Ex-President George Bush ...

but anyway...do you not believe that God has a Divine Plan and that everything that takes place in the world takes place because it is simply following that Divine Plan

if you believe that God has a Divine Plan...then why are you trying to use faith to stop that plan

Crikey there ,have a go i didnt think you where pullin my leg ,why are you just battin the breeze, do you know bush lingo, cause it still seems like big city lingo for this little black duck.

nah its hunky dory, I could catch onto that.

But i dont believe in a divine plan, i just figured God gave us free will, if we have free will, then wouldnt we be free to choose what mistakes we make, otherwise if there was no free will why would god be dissapointed in us.
That would be even more confusing.
But if we have free will, then faith in god is cool, but if it was a divine plan, what is the point of faith as its going to happen regardless. hmmmmm interesting, but not something I would hope was true as then we have no free will,

come on shelia, I didn't think you wanted me to talk like Crocodile Dundee, in that case I'll have a go at the outback and thrown a couple of those wily shrimps on the barbie

"Free Will" when it comes to God would indicate that you're not one of those Chritians that believe that Jesus is God ...God coming down and dictating teachings would take away "Free Will" and 'Faith' .....seeing is simply believing...and Jesus could be seen ....so why would one need faith...unless that had doubts that Jesus a Man is God

if you believe in "Free Will" but don't believe in a Divine Plan then that would indicate that you do not accept the "The Book of Revelations" or in that matter believe in prophecy

I say this because "Revelations" is a prophecy that according to the belief and God's Divine Plan has to take place...which means that everyone involve including Jesus has no "Free Will" and must follow this Divine Plan

No, not true. God works through people. Just because one goes to the hospital for a sickness, that person isn't showing a lack of faith. They are showing faith by doing as such, having faith God will heal them through the hands of the doctor. God is there to help, God isn't there to do for.



Sort of yes. With having Jesus, what is there to be depressed about? Why put that much thought/worry into this world? Into this life? This world and life are merely temporary. Not judging anyone's faith, just merely helping to give light on the situation. What is there to be depressed about on Earth? Depression of things you don't or can't have? Depressed that you do not have what you possibly want? *not ment entirely objectively, but even relationships, ect.* Jesus tells us, "ask and ye shall receive". But he didn't say "receive when you want". Have patience for the Lord, and all your healing's wil come in time.

Cowboy ...don't your statement above contradict your statement below

How do those contradict each other? They have almost nothing to do with one another. Why put that much thought into this life, as in the objects you own, your cloths being fine or plain, your car being a sport car or a hoopty, ect. All the things we have on this earth will decay and rot away, so why put that much thought and attention towards getting the best of objects, when in reality it's all just going to rot away?

Sickness is in this world because of our fall from grace, adam/eve being kicked out of the Garden. No sickness in the Garden, then we were kicked out and put in a world where there is sickness. How does that have anything to do with someone getting sick no because of a lack in faith?

well actually you were referring to depression not objects

but anyway you told me that you know that God exist because you can feel him ....but yet while in your body God choose not to heal you and instead you become tempted by Satan and run to a Doctor?

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I am speaking of depression. Then I got into reason's of someone getting depressed as examples. And here is why depression is a work of Satan. Depression is a deep worry of something to happen or not to happen. You are depressed/saddened cause you don't feel like it's going to work out good.

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God. Trust in me also.
(John 14:1)

Thats where I live, you dont swim here as the crocs do eat you..And yep thats how a lot of people are.

My kids go on a school camp in a few weeks where they are taught common survival skills any of them could survive out there for a while, they are trying to get anoacondaarms to go with them as a school experiment to see how an American city boy would cope with it.

so did you get depress because of Satan and a lack of faith or because you had disabilities

sounds like a remake of "The Wicker Man"

No, I,m not sure about that, as if God already knows what is going to happen it doesnt mean he made it happen, it is probably just the results of the dumb things we have done..
Like if you look at things that happen on earth, with wars and stuff, even though we know the damage that we are doing we still continue on the same path..

So if he knows what is in our heart and the things we are going to do, then he wont change it..

But remember as i have said before, this is just how i figure it, as I have no idea about anything except what i have read myself, so all my thoughts are just that my thoughts.

so sending Jesus back down here swinging the sword of righteous is God's attempt to not make "Revelations" happen?