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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic besides if it wasn't logical to you...you wouldn't have brought up Adam wow, apples and oranges again my bringing up adam has nothing to do with whether YOUR post was logical to me |
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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic that explains why your responses have so little ,,,i congratulate you on your faith,,lol as I congratulate you for your lack of it thanx, I put no faith in other peoples assessment of my faith and Im proud of it,,,lol |
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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic besides if it wasn't logical to you...you wouldn't have brought up Adam wow, apples and oranges again my bringing up adam has nothing to do with whether YOUR post was logical to me it does to me... Jesus needed a woman to first get pregnant and then needed a womb to pop out of...Adam didn't ... Adam's creation is more "begotton" than that of Jesus's |
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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic that explains why your responses have so little ,,,i congratulate you on your faith,,lol as I congratulate you for your lack of it thanx, I put no faith in other peoples assessment of my faith and Im proud of it,,,lol if that was true then you wouldn't have responded to the post |
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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic that explains why your responses have so little ,,,i congratulate you on your faith,,lol as I congratulate you for your lack of it thanx, I put no faith in other peoples assessment of my faith and Im proud of it,,,lol if that was true then you wouldn't have responded to the post circular logic,,,I responded merely because I wanted to, not because I put FAITH in your assessment,,in fact, I disagree with them quite often |
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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic that explains why your responses have so little ,,,i congratulate you on your faith,,lol as I congratulate you for your lack of it thanx, I put no faith in other peoples assessment of my faith and Im proud of it,,,lol if that was true then you wouldn't have responded to the post circular logic,,,I responded merely because I wanted to, not because I put FAITH in your assessment,,in fact, I disagree with them quite often believers use their faith to disagree ... |
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according to you,,, not logical to me though,, MsHarmony....faith requires no logic that explains why your responses have so little ,,,i congratulate you on your faith,,lol as I congratulate you for your lack of it thanx, I put no faith in other peoples assessment of my faith and Im proud of it,,,lol if that was true then you wouldn't have responded to the post circular logic,,,I responded merely because I wanted to, not because I put FAITH in your assessment,,in fact, I disagree with them quite often believers use their faith to disagree ... as do non believers,, they just have faith in their own logic , right or wrong |
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as do non believers,, they just have faith in their own logic , right or wrong MsHarmony ...by making claims that non-believers have faith is exactly why you lack it.. provide a passage from the bible where God or Jesus or even Satan states that those that don't believe have faith if you can not find such a passage then you will understand that you mock your God by saying things like that shame shame shame...sin sin sin now be a nice MsHarmony and say three hell marys ...oops...er.. I meant say three "hail" marys |
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Matt 8:5-13
5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV |
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as do non believers,, they just have faith in their own logic , right or wrong MsHarmony ...by making claims that non-believers have faith is exactly why you lack it.. provide a passage from the bible where God or Jesus or even Satan states that those that don't believe have faith if you can not find such a passage then you will understand that you mock your God by saying things like that shame shame shame...sin sin sin now be a nice MsHarmony and say three hell marys ...oops...er.. I meant say three "hail" marys oh, only if I had the tendency to believe the only use of the word 'faith' is that of the bible but , I am also educated in the common language of our times which defines faith as not ONLY pertaining to God but a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions. 2. a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to ... etc,,,etc,,etc,,, |
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Jeanniebean
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Sun 04/24/11 03:22 PM
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV Miles, It is difficult to tell who is saying what in the above verses. But it seems as if the centurion, being a man of authority (a leader with servants and soldiers) was lying with his pretense of being "not worthy" enough to have Yahshua come to his house and heal his servant. I think he just didn't want anyone to see him taking Yahsuha into his house for some reason. OR he was challenging Yahshua to do the healing from a distance. The meaning of verses 11 and 12 sounds like some kind of military code and does not fit into the story. In the end, the servant was not healed by Yahshua but by the faith of the centurion. (And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee.) Which proves that belief (faith alone) is the healer. Which brings me to the question, Why did you post this? Also, if the servant had NOT been healed or gotten better Yahshua is still off the hook, for he never did say that HE, Yahshua did the healing. He said, "as thou hast believed, so it be done unto thee. So if the the servant had not been healed, it would be the fault of the centurion's non-belief. |
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV the fact that the centurion asked Yahshua to heal his servant meant that he was already a believer faith only applies to God and God along ..to weld faith other than to God turns faith into witchcraft |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 04/24/11 03:26 PM
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV the fact that the centurion asked Yahshua to heal his servant meant that he was already a believer No it doesn't. He may have been a weak believer or he may have been trying to challenge Yahshua. I had a relative who took their child with palsy to a so-called evangelic healer and the boy was not healed. She was told it was because she lacked enough faith in God that he would be healed. faith only applies to God and God along ..to weld faith other than to God turns faith into witchcraft according to whom? |
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as do non believers,, they just have faith in their own logic , right or wrong MsHarmony ...by making claims that non-believers have faith is exactly why you lack it.. provide a passage from the bible where God or Jesus or even Satan states that those that don't believe have faith if you can not find such a passage then you will understand that you mock your God by saying things like that shame shame shame...sin sin sin now be a nice MsHarmony and say three hell marys ...oops...er.. I meant say three "hail" marys oh, only if I had the tendency to believe the only use of the word 'faith' is that of the bible but , I am also educated in the common language of our times which defines faith as not ONLY pertaining to God but a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1) : fidelity to one's promises (2) : sincerity of intentions. 2. a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to ... etc,,,etc,,etc,,, MsHarmony...I'm still waiting on you to provide a passage from the bible that states that unbelievers have faith why do believers always run to the dictionary to find definitions instead of running to the bible to find the passage that would back up what they said or just admit that there is no such passage which means that you were mocking your God by suggesting stuff like that...wouldn't that make you an unbeliever? |
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV Miles, It is difficult to tell who is saying what in the above verses. But it seems as if the centurion, being a man of authority (a leader with servants and soldiers) was lying with his pretense of being "not worthy" enough to have Yahshua come to his house and heal his servant. I think he just didn't want anyone to see him taking Yahsuha into his house for some reason. OR he was challenging Yahshua to do the healing from a distance. The meaning of verses 11 and 12 sounds like some kind of military code and does not fit into the story. In the end, the servant was not healed by Yahshua but by the faith of the centurion. (And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee.) Which proves that belief (faith alone) is the healer. Which brings me to the question, Why did you post this? Also, if the servant had NOT been healed or gotten better Yahshua is still off the hook, for he never did say that HE, Yahshua did the healing. He said, "as thou hast believed, so it be done unto thee. So if the the servant had not been healed, it would be the fault of the centurion's non-belief. I believe it is showing an attitude. Yahshua was well known.. he feed 5000 people with a few fish. The soldier did not have the belief as it does not say he did at least. But what he did believe is Yahshua was special and whatever he said would come true. Saying he had not found faith in all of Israel showed that this person was real.. he believed Yahshua could do anything even though that he was not a part of Israel. What a slap in the face to all those who held themselves up high as Believers. Its the same now if you truely deep down put yourself aside and have faith that a force not seen can help someone else miracles can happen with anyone. The pagan Soldier wanted help for someone else. Thats what Yahshua is all about.. being a true friend to those who need help.. worrying about thier needs more than your own..Blessings..Miles |
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV the fact that the centurion asked Yahshua to heal his servant meant that he was already a believer faith only applies to God and God along ..to weld faith other than to God turns faith into witchcraft He was pagan probally worshipped Mithra. But he had heard of Yahshua healing anyone who asked and he believed.. His faith healed him. Just as anyone who is more concerned with the downtrodden than themselves can work miracles because of thier belief of good will towards men.. Blessings..Miles |
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Funches posted: the fact that the centurion asked Yahshua to heal his servant meant that he was already a believer JennieBean posted: No it doesn't. He may have been a weak believer or he may have been trying to challenge Yahshua. JennieBean...would not a weak believer still be a believer JennieBean posted: I had a relative who took their child with palsy to a so-called evangelic healer and the boy was not healed. She was told it was because she lacked enough faith in God that he would be healed. that's my point...they were trying to weld faith Funches posted: faith only applies to God and God along ..to weld faith other than to God turns faith into witchcraft JennieBean posted: according to whom? why would you need faith in that which God created ...that would be a lack of faith in God's work and therefore a lack of faith in God |
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV the fact that the centurion asked Yahshua to heal his servant meant that he was already a believer faith only applies to God and God along ..to weld faith other than to God turns faith into witchcraft He was pagan probally worshipped Mithra. But he had heard of Yahshua healing anyone who asked and he believed.. His faith healed him. Just as anyone who is more concerned with the downtrodden than themselves can work miracles because of thier belief of good will towards men.. Blessings..Miles but if you claim that the centurion were probably worshipping Mithra...wouldn't that classify him as having religion and "faith" .. |
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Matt 8:5-13 5 And when Yahshua was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him, 6 And saying, Master, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented. 7 And Yahshua saith unto him, I will come and heal him. 8 The centurion answered and said, Master, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed. 9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. 10 When Yahshua heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith , no, not in Israel. 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 13 And Yahshua said unto the centurion, Go thy way; and as thou hast believed, so be it done unto thee. And his servant was healed in the selfsame hour. KJV the fact that the centurion asked Yahshua to heal his servant meant that he was already a believer faith only applies to God and God along ..to weld faith other than to God turns faith into witchcraft He was pagan probally worshipped Mithra. But he had heard of Yahshua healing anyone who asked and he believed.. His faith healed him. Just as anyone who is more concerned with the downtrodden than themselves can work miracles because of thier belief of good will towards men.. Blessings..Miles but if you claim that the centurion were probably worshipping Mithra...wouldn't that classify him as having religion and "faith" .. Don't we all have faith in something? The faith that the roman soldier had was that his servent could be healed and from what he had heard and maybe seen he believed Yahshua could help him. Just like if you take someone to the hospital you have faith that thier they will get help and probally help them.. Faith is believing even though you may not know for sure but something tells you it can be done.. Blessings..Miles |
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Don't we all have faith in something? The faith that the roman soldier had was that his servent could be healed and from what he had heard and maybe seen he believed Yahshua could help him. Just like if you take someone to the hospital you have faith that thier they will get help and probally help them.. Faith is believing even though you may not know for sure but something tells you it can be done.. Blessings..Miles "Milesoftheusa"...if there are no Atheists in a foxhole then there shouldn't be any believers in the hospital |
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