First of all, our founding father realized that things were not always good for people of other countries... that is why were are a country of immigrants!

Secondly, what part of the US businesses f&*king up other countries economies, do you not understand.

If you are so separatist and against globialization, why aren't you advocating for US businesses to be pulling out of other countries? HUH? Or at least paying a fair wage, so people don't seek out employment in the US!

Humans hating other humans so badly they willingly give up civil rights of American citizens to accommodate it is not a good thing for this country.

No matter how convoluted people try to get the subject.

President Obama is right that is a misguided thing.

Poor citizens of Arizona.

Maybe there are some smart Arizonians who will get it taken to court and overturned as it should be.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

Until individuals realize that ignorance is just like insanity, this world will never move forward.


I am out of here. I don't care to discuss this issue with individuals who do not value human beings and human rights!

Three cheers for Arizona.... And if Texas don't reach down and grab a pair. ...I might be moving.....

allow me to propose this...

ALL empires are built on the backs of others. Rome, China, America, England, France, Germany, Russia, EVERY ONE! American big business has invaded the government too deeply. The Federal Treasury is run by the banking industry under the auspices of Government authority.

Now I digress to Obama. Change you can count on. Who were his first give aways aimed at? Big Business. Who gets creamed in economic hardships? Small and medium businesses. Why have property values not dropped yet? The banks are fighting to maintain their property values by keeping thousands of unoccupied homes off of the market. Strawberries being burned pisses you off? How about unoccupied housing? TARP screwed things up by flushing the banks with money so they were not compelled to really drop the prices to realistic non-inflated values.

Theodore Roosevelt managed to throw big business out of government but son after WWII they were back in force. And you blame the government! And you vote in the Democrats who time and time again sold us out to big business and programs. Do you know who profits from mandatory insurance? And now that Obama made it Mandatory who is profiting exactly? And now you want to piss blood on us because we are against illegal immigration when you vote clowns like Obama in and worst is when he does EXACTLY what Bush was doing?

Wake up and take off the blinders. Illegal Immigration is p[art of the real problem. Our government is overrun with Liberal IDIOTS who have no clue where the money they spend is coming from. Who is the IRS everyone hates so much? Government? OH NO ME DROOGIE! They are a private for profit corporation. They have power above the law. And now where is the change we are supposed to count on? More taxes and More spending? Was that the change?

Now back to illegal immigration. they bring huge amounts of criminal activities like theft, prostitution, drug smuggling, kidnapping and extortion, and a plethora of other problems not to mention smuggling in parrots which can carry bird flu (look that up), and on top of that if they were paid enough they would smuggle in a nuke for some nut job as well without a care in the world what that weapon will do to us. That is JUST MEXICO!

Now look at Haiti. I know Haitians who made a life for them selves here and Naturalized. They have told me stuff about their home land that made me despise the palace. In NY they have a problem with African and Haitian crime rings. Here in LA we got Chinese and Cambodians and Vietnamese gangs here. Chinese come in on visitor visas and never leave. That's how most of them do it.

I can commend you on having a big heart but you are so blind to the realities of human nature. You put too much value in humanity over the fact we need to focus more on our own home. How many people do you think we can support? Do you have any idea what would happen if we lost our agricultural land and could barely support ourselves? China AND India would be rat fuqued! They can't feed themselves now. Without us they got nothing to look foreword too.

No, it is time America began to discriminate on who we let immigrate into this country and close our doors to immigration for a while! We need to clean up our act and then after we finally get a handle on our problems we can address opening our boarders again but this time we shouldn't just take anyone who wants in. Other countries need to control their numbers better. Period.

You want to have an impact on big business? Get your friends to stop banking at B of A. Get then to stop buying foreign made products in general. Start your own small businesses. Get out from in front of the TVs and stop voting for the most Charismatic college educated Democratic Socialist sh&t heads and start getting people out there to run who understand we need to fix this mess. We need to drive big business out of Government but who keeps getting in the way? Democrats! Who blocks Voter reforms? Democrats. Who blocked a whole bunch of common sense stuff lately? Democrats. And they vote on what? Measure to increase our deficit and spending!

In the end you know who the real villain is? The American people in general! Not the government. Because WE keep voting in entitlements, We keep voting for more government spending, WE keep voting in idiots who know it all and have agendas.

And now?

Someone needs a hug!

PS this issue was about Arizona going after Illegal Aliens finally!

Immigration enforcement is not about Human rights or humanity. it is about enforcing laws! Finally someone got the grapes to stop selective enforcement.

Also we are past 7 billion people on this planet and still growing. Please watch Soilent Green if you haven't seen it! Great movie! I can see that happening.

I am sorry but I feel more sympathy for Wolverines and Skunks than I do for humans.

Hell, I just got hit up by a scammer from the Philippines just a hour ago on the IM here. They prey on people's loneliness. And I am supposed to paint a rainbow on this how exactly?

So I am heartless. What part of 'I AM Draconian' don't you understand?

Obey the law and speak English! If I have to they have to! You don't like it find another country that has your world values like say France. Think life is any better there? My ex is French and Jewish. And so are most of their friends. Want to argue about life there too?

If you are questioned by the police either for a traffic violation or for some other reason they are going to ask for ID.If you do not have ID you are getting a free ride to the police station so they can find out who you are.

I think it is also important that we realize that there has been millions of others who have come here legally from much worse countries than Mexico.I once worked with a person who had to cross a hot desert in Africa with no food for 3 days.He said all of his family was murdered by government officals.He reached a safe town in Africa,contacted people in America,waited years for paperwork to clear,paid hundreds of dollars in fees,and came to America to a job waiting for him.He did the right thing and now he has no work because a bunch of border jumpers from Mexico took his job along with millions of others who came here legally.

I'll have none of this "we" business! The last time I voted was for Ron Paul-who is opposed to all the warfare/welfare statist nonsense the the repubs and dems so enjoy!




First of all, our founding father realized that things were not always good for people of other countries... that is why were are a country of immigrants!

Secondly, what part of the US businesses f&*king up other countries economies, do you not understand.

If you are so separatist and against globialization, why aren't you advocating for US businesses to be pulling out of other countries? HUH? Or at least paying a fair wage, so people don't seek out employment in the US!


allow me to propose this...

ALL empires are built on the backs of others. Rome, China, America, England, France, Germany, Russia, EVERY ONE! American big business has invaded the government too deeply. The Federal Treasury is run by the banking industry under the auspices of Government authority.

Now I digress to Obama. Change you can count on. Who were his first give aways aimed at? Big Business. Who gets creamed in economic hardships? Small and medium businesses. Why have property values not dropped yet? The banks are fighting to maintain their property values by keeping thousands of unoccupied homes off of the market. Strawberries being burned pisses you off? How about unoccupied housing? TARP screwed things up by flushing the banks with money so they were not compelled to really drop the prices to realistic non-inflated values.

Theodore Roosevelt managed to throw big business out of government but son after WWII they were back in force. And you blame the government! And you vote in the Democrats who time and time again sold us out to big business and programs. Do you know who profits from mandatory insurance? And now that Obama made it Mandatory who is profiting exactly? And now you want to piss blood on us because we are against illegal immigration when you vote clowns like Obama in and worst is when he does EXACTLY what Bush was doing?

Wake up and take off the blinders. Illegal Immigration is p[art of the real problem. Our government is overrun with Liberal IDIOTS who have no clue where the money they spend is coming from. Who is the IRS everyone hates so much? Government? OH NO ME DROOGIE! They are a private for profit corporation. They have power above the law. And now where is the change we are supposed to count on? More taxes and More spending? Was that the change?

Now back to illegal immigration. they bring huge amounts of criminal activities like theft, prostitution, drug smuggling, kidnapping and extortion, and a plethora of other problems not to mention smuggling in parrots which can carry bird flu (look that up), and on top of that if they were paid enough they would smuggle in a nuke for some nut job as well without a care in the world what that weapon will do to us. That is JUST MEXICO!

Now look at Haiti. I know Haitians who made a life for them selves here and Naturalized. They have told me stuff about their home land that made me despise the palace. In NY they have a problem with African and Haitian crime rings. Here in LA we got Chinese and Cambodians and Vietnamese gangs here. Chinese come in on visitor visas and never leave. That's how most of them do it.

I can commend you on having a big heart but you are so blind to the realities of human nature. You put too much value in humanity over the fact we need to focus more on our own home. How many people do you think we can support? Do you have any idea what would happen if we lost our agricultural land and could barely support ourselves? China AND India would be rat fuqued! They can't feed themselves now. Without us they got nothing to look foreword too.

No, it is time America began to discriminate on who we let immigrate into this country and close our doors to immigration for a while! We need to clean up our act and then after we finally get a handle on our problems we can address opening our boarders again but this time we shouldn't just take anyone who wants in. Other countries need to control their numbers better. Period.

You want to have an impact on big business? Get your friends to stop banking at B of A. Get then to stop buying foreign made products in general. Start your own small businesses. Get out from in front of the TVs and stop voting for the most Charismatic college educated Democratic Socialist sh&t heads and start getting people out there to run who understand we need to fix this mess. We need to drive big business out of Government but who keeps getting in the way? Democrats! Who blocks Voter reforms? Democrats. Who blocked a whole bunch of common sense stuff lately? Democrats. And they vote on what? Measure to increase our deficit and spending!

In the end you know who the real villain is? The American people in general! Not the government. Because WE keep voting in entitlements, We keep voting for more government spending, WE keep voting in idiots who know it all and have agendas.

And now?

Speaking of ignorance! It's difficult to find anything you've said in this thread that is congruent with reality.

If only that were all there is to the law.

Police are being given the right to racially profile people. How else would they "suspect they are illegal"?

Hating others so much that you are willing to sign a certain race of people's civil rights away is sick.

Prejudice white folks suck big time especially when they get away with their racist ******** on others.

Sadly there are too many on these boards.

In Oklahoma, they only want Driver's Lic. and insurance. They don't really care who owns the car.

What country does Arizona sit right on the boarder of?



What race is causing a bulk of the problem for that region?



So dealing with illegal immigration by addressing Hispanics they come across is profiling?



Um... Fallicy of Correlation does not imply causation!


1. the police can address you at any time but how they address you has everything to do with what is going on. They can demand ID from anyone. they are not out to blindly detain people unless they have reason to suspect something. That is their job.

2. Mexico is the chief problem Arizona has to deal with. Mexico has several different sub cultures living among it because not all Mexicans are Aztecs, some are Apache or (?)Anastasi, others are Aztec, some are Mayan. Guatemalans, El and San Salvadorians come through Mexico as well. The thing they all have in common is language. they all speak Spanish.


First rule of hunting deer, know what a deer is before you go out and start shooting!

If 90% of the Illegal aliens in your state are Hispanic well guess what! You hunt Hispanics! If you catch an illegal Algerian at a traffic stop or DL check checkpoint? BONUS!

It is racism just the same.

No bonus for racism.

Liberals are...misguided!

allow me to propose this...

ALL empires are built on the backs of others. Rome, China, America, England, France, Germany, Russia, EVERY ONE! American big business has invaded the government too deeply. The Federal Treasury is run by the banking industry under the auspices of Government authority.

Now I digress to Obama. Change you can count on. Who were his first give aways aimed at? Big Business. Who gets creamed in economic hardships? Small and medium businesses. Why have property values not dropped yet? The banks are fighting to maintain their property values by keeping thousands of unoccupied homes off of the market. Strawberries being burned pisses you off? How about unoccupied housing? TARP screwed things up by flushing the banks with money so they were not compelled to really drop the prices to realistic non-inflated values.

Theodore Roosevelt managed to throw big business out of government but son after WWII they were back in force. And you blame the government! And you vote in the Democrats who time and time again sold us out to big business and programs. Do you know who profits from mandatory insurance? And now that Obama made it Mandatory who is profiting exactly? And now you want to piss blood on us because we are against illegal immigration when you vote clowns like Obama in and worst is when he does EXACTLY what Bush was doing?

Wake up and take off the blinders. Illegal Immigration is p[art of the real problem. Our government is overrun with Liberal IDIOTS who have no clue where the money they spend is coming from. Who is the IRS everyone hates so much? Government? OH NO ME DROOGIE! They are a private for profit corporation. They have power above the law. And now where is the change we are supposed to count on? More taxes and More spending? Was that the change?

Now back to illegal immigration. they bring huge amounts of criminal activities like theft, prostitution, drug smuggling, kidnapping and extortion, and a plethora of other problems not to mention smuggling in parrots which can carry bird flu (look that up), and on top of that if they were paid enough they would smuggle in a nuke for some nut job as well without a care in the world what that weapon will do to us. That is JUST MEXICO!

Now look at Haiti. I know Haitians who made a life for them selves here and Naturalized. They have told me stuff about their home land that made me despise the palace. In NY they have a problem with African and Haitian crime rings. Here in LA we got Chinese and Cambodians and Vietnamese gangs here. Chinese come in on visitor visas and never leave. That's how most of them do it.

I can commend you on having a big heart but you are so blind to the realities of human nature. You put too much value in humanity over the fact we need to focus more on our own home. How many people do you think we can support? Do you have any idea what would happen if we lost our agricultural land and could barely support ourselves? China AND India would be rat fuqued! They can't feed themselves now. Without us they got nothing to look foreword too.

No, it is time America began to discriminate on who we let immigrate into this country and close our doors to immigration for a while! We need to clean up our act and then after we finally get a handle on our problems we can address opening our boarders again but this time we shouldn't just take anyone who wants in. Other countries need to control their numbers better. Period.

You want to have an impact on big business? Get your friends to stop banking at B of A. Get then to stop buying foreign made products in general. Start your own small businesses. Get out from in front of the TVs and stop voting for the most Charismatic college educated Democratic Socialist sh&t heads and start getting people out there to run who understand we need to fix this mess. We need to drive big business out of Government but who keeps getting in the way? Democrats! Who blocks Voter reforms? Democrats. Who blocked a whole bunch of common sense stuff lately? Democrats. And they vote on what? Measure to increase our deficit and spending!

In the end you know who the real villain is? The American people in general! Not the government. Because WE keep voting in entitlements, We keep voting for more government spending, WE keep voting in idiots who know it all and have agendas.

And now?



Even though you voted for the other guy you are still part of the greater mob. Even I feel guilt over this whole mess and feel helpless to do anything about it. Believe me, nothing would thrill me than to be the president who abused his power on congress by having the marines lock their sorry ***** in congress hall while I park a beach chair in the floor and have the speaker of the house detained for some serious questioning under polygraph while congress is forced to do something about the mess we are in. I would love to crack open a cold beer and tell Congress I ordered the marines to see to it they stay there until they address the budget and find a way of getting us back into the black or they were stuck there. I'm sure the threat of being subjected to a polygraph will scare them into acting a lot faster especially if Nancy Pelosi got caught being culpable to any illegal activities in her office because I would have her publicly crucified and made into a total media fiasco. I also would repeal all of the executive orders and start with a clean slate. I would do all of this under the emergency powers acts because right or wrong I consider the situation we are in an emergency! it is only going to get worst! I have ideas. I don't have the staff behind me or the financial firepower to take my message to the people. We need to take back our government by voting in people willing to do something about this mess instead of maintain the status-quo without selling us out to idealism, fundamentalism, radicalism, business, money, power, or fantasies!

I commend you on choosing to vote for who you did. I voted McCain only because I wanted to make sure Obama didn't get in. People give McCain a lot of crap but really he was the better choice. His policies do not match mine per say but he made sense and he does serve his constituency. he also has reached out across the aisle in the face of the Republican party for issues they had that made sense. I doubt he would have come out of the gate with big business give aways like Obama did.

Again sorry about the generalization WE but the thing is "WE THE PEOPLE" made the mess. Now "WE THE PEOPLE" have to clean it up.

Straw man Fallacy, Fallacy of Cherry Picking, Equivocation, Fallacy of Ad Nauseaum, this is fun I could go on ripping this argument to shreds. Didn't you ever take critical reasoning in college? That was the most brutal class I have ever been through. Can you seriously put together a truly constructive criticism without falling apart so easily?

although I am well aware that anyone operating a vehicle of any sort needs proof that they are licensed to do so,,,but I still have not found the law that REQUIRES a citizen,, not operating a vehicle, to carry an Identification(as long as they can state their name or other personal information).